Are music scenes dying out

tomofson

Remember years ago if you went into town you would almost definitely see groups of punks,goths,skinheads,metalheads ect but now you just dont have that anymore do you? Bar the occasional individual unfortunately I believe music scenes and groups like these are sadly dying out. I really liked the fact there was these different groups because I dont like every being just so plain bland and the same as everyone else but is that the world we are going for now? Being just like everyone else???

jpm4

You're probably right OP - what need is there for anyone to join some goth, metal or punk scene when you can download a lifetime worth of estonian bongo goat rock in 5 mins, post a link of it to wherever for kudos, then delete it again. All for free without ever leaving your bedroom.

Music doesn't mean much anymore.

Icepick

Lol at thinking they weren't like everyone else.

Dravokivich

Maybe kids these days just don't like street corners all that much?

Wanderer78

Ah music scenes will never truly die, somewhere some kid is creating some new form of music or simply discovering older forms of music. It has moved underground again. Prepare for it, search for it. It's there. Great to see records coming back around!

mahoganygas

tomofson wrote:

Remember years ago if you went into town you would almost definitely see groups of punks,goths,skinheads,metalheads ect but now you just dont have that anymore do you?

You've described fashion enthusiasts rather than music fans.
I still listen to all of those genres and to look at me you wouldn't think it.
You don't need to wear black make up to enjoy the punk rock music scene. After all, isn't it supposed to be about the music?

vkid

Personally I think music is in a terrible state. And I blame the internet and technology in large part for that. It is so accessible and disposable now that it means little. 20 years ago it meant a lot more to people and if you were into a certain scene you had to work to get the music. Now you just download it, Google it or YouTube it...and often forget about it 12 months later.

Add to that, the mainstream media's obsession with celebrity and the large marketing budgets used by major labels and you end with the kanye wests and Taylor swifts of the world being held in high regard...yet their musical output is largely muck.
There will always be an underground music scene but it will IMO go largely unnoticed because the mainstream is where the money will go and the attention will follow.

Wanderer78

vkid wrote:

Personally I think music is in a terrible state. And I blame the internet and technology in large part for that. It is so accessible and disposable now that it means little. 20 years ago it meant a lot more to people and if you were into a certain scene you had to work to get the music. Now you just download it, Google it or YouTube it...and often forget about it 12 months later.

Some very good points there but don't despair, music will never disappear. There will always be musicans, and we will always wanna listen. The commercialisation of music has gone into hyper drive but there will always be gems. It requires good investigative skills. The commercial music scene is in a state of flux, nobody really knows where it's going, everybody's scratching their heads trying to figure out how to make the money, but music is still being created

Saipanne

Goths, punks, emo, etc = "hey, let's not conform by conforming!"

noby

Saipanne wrote: »

Goths, punks, emo, etc = "hey, let's not conform by conforming!"

That sounds like every youth culture ever - as described by grumpy middle-aged parents.


Most youth cultures/music scenes are not solely about not conforming, but also about belonging to a group. So, yes there are certain traits to each group, but that just adds to the sense of belonging.

tomofson

mahoganygas wrote: »

You've described fashion enthusiasts rather than music fans.
I still listen to all of those genres and to look at me you wouldn't think it.
You don't need to wear black make up to enjoy the punk rock music scene. After all, isn't it supposed to be about the music?

Yes thats what I meant by "scene" I think that goes along with the die hards in those particular scenes, but maybe I did word it wrong.

tomofson

noby wrote: »

That sounds like every youth culture ever - as described by grumpy middle-aged parents.


Most youth cultures/music scenes are not solely about not conforming, but also about belonging to a group. So, yes there are certain traits to each group, but that just adds to the sense of belonging.

Yes but I think youth cultures like those are dying out

jpm4

People saying things like "it's only fashion" are missing something - namely that is good for music for like minded, passionate people to get together in the real world! That way bands get formed, contacts get made and ideas start sparking.

Am into Rock/Metal, and I have grown up with scenes emerging out of certain areas - Grunge/Seattle, Black Metal/Norway, Death Metal/Florida, etc. The genre doesn't matter, point is movement like that don't evolve through people sitting in their bedroom - it's people with shared interested getting together.

So I do think scenes are important in that sense.

Ronald Wilson Reagan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZUlals57CA

O'Neill

Well here's an interesting documentary about recent garage bands in the US

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_gcUbS6Yng

Hatchlings

Ah, I don't find this to be true at all.
We (Hatchlings) are based in Maynooth and there is a very exciting music and art scene growing here. The scene is big enough that people are starting to move here for it, travelling musicians from Tazmania, Israel, and the UK have made a point of gigging and jamming in Maynooth after hearing about scene we've got going here. Here are a few other bands that are Maynooth based:
- Planet Parade
- Loah
- Feather
- LemonCello
- Dysania
- Neomatics
- Dyramid
- Witches Rave
- Tashka
- Jason McGuinness
- Alannah Thornburgh
- TV!AD
- Shriekin
- Navy Cut
- Elan
- District Daze
- Ape Rising
- Laura Rai
- CalFx
- The list goes on and on.... There is actually a playlist of Maynooth Music on soundcloud (/maynoothmusic). Check it out We just uploaded music to spotify as well at /hatchlings.

I don't think that as many scenes are restricted to specific genres like they were before but that's really just because people have more access to a wider range of influences. I think a scene with a wide scope really lends itself to great music too. Maynooth jam sessions include everything from cello, trad harp, classical piano, jazz piano, beatboxing, samba drumming, saxophone, trumpet, and the standard guitar, bass, drums. It's an exciting movement to be part of

tomofson

Hatchlings wrote: »

Ah, I don't find this to be true at all.
We (Hatchlings) are based in Maynooth and there is a very exciting music and art scene growing here. The scene is big enough that people are starting to move here for it, travelling musicians from Tazmania, Israel, and the UK have made a point of gigging and jamming in Maynooth after hearing about scene we've got going here. Here are a few other bands that are Maynooth based:
- Planet Parade
- Loah
- Feather
- LemonCello
- Dysania
- Neomatics
- Dyramid
- Witches Rave
- Tashka
- Jason McGuinness
- Alannah Thornburgh
- TV!AD
- Shriekin
- Navy Cut
- Elan
- District Daze
- Ape Rising
- Laura Rai
- CalFx
- The list goes on and on.... There is actually a playlist of Maynooth Music on soundcloud (/maynoothmusic). Check it out We just uploaded music to spotify as well at /hatchlings.

I don't think that as many scenes are restricted to specific genres like they were before but that's really just because people have more access to a wider range of influences. I think a scene with a wide scope really lends itself to great music too. Maynooth jam sessions include everything from cello, trad harp, classical piano, jazz piano, beatboxing, samba drumming, saxophone, trumpet, and the standard guitar, bass, drums. It's an exciting movement to be part of

Think I might have to move Maynooth then.

lordgoat

jpm4 wrote: »

You're probably right OP - what need is there for anyone to join some goth, metal or punk scene when you can download a lifetime worth of estonian bongo goat rock in 5 mins, post a link of it to wherever for kudos, then delete it again. All for free without ever leaving your bedroom.

Music doesn't mean much anymore.

I disagree completly that music doesn't mean as much anymore. And you also miss the entire point that music at one point could and would physically bring people together. This aspect of it to me is dying. I'll deal with why I think that further down.

mahoganygas wrote: »

You've described fashion enthusiasts rather than music fans.
I still listen to all of those genres and to look at me you wouldn't think it.
You don't need to wear black make up to enjoy the punk rock music scene. After all, isn't it supposed to be about the music?

You also miss the point that music at one time influenced how people, spoke, dressed, lived much more than it seems to now in every day life. It helped to define someones identity. It helped to show people that they weren't alone. And if that meant dressing in black or denim so be it. The music was just the tie. It's massively ignorant to dismiss that and it comes across that you don't really get that music can mean different things to different people.


Modern society means that people don't interact in the same way as they once did. It's a side effect of the internet age. The good is that all music is available at the download of a torrent the bad is that it some ways it limits the interaction you have in real life of going to a record store. Talking to someone. And sharing that connection you have with a song or an artist with someone in person.

tomofson wrote: »

Think I might have to move Maynooth then.

lovely little town

bodhrandude

lordgoat wrote: »

I disagree completly that music doesn't mean as much anymore. And you also miss the entire point that music at one point could and would physically bring people together. This aspect of it to me is dying. I'll deal with why I think that further down.




You also miss the point that music at one time influenced how people, spoke, dressed, lived much more than it seems to now in every day life. It helped to define someones identity. It helped to show people that they weren't alone. And if that meant dressing in black or denim so be it. The music was just the tie. It's massively ignorant to dismiss that and it comes across that you don't really get that music can mean different things to different people.


Modern society means that people don't interact in the same way as they once did. It's a side effect of the internet age. The good is that all music is available at the download of a torrent the bad is that it some ways it limits the interaction you have in real life of going to a record store. Talking to someone. And sharing that connection you have with a song or an artist with someone in person.




lovely little town

Sure thats the thing, you can do all that at the gigs and festivals.

lordgoat

bodhrandude wrote: »

Sure thats the thing, you can do all that at the gigs and festivals.

yep you can once a year in ireland when the festival of your style comes around.

tomofson

lordgoat wrote: »

I disagree completly that music doesn't mean as much anymore. And you also miss the entire point that music at one point could and would physically bring people together. This aspect of it to me is dying. I'll deal with why I think that further down.




You also miss the point that music at one time influenced how people, spoke, dressed, lived much more than it seems to now in every day life. It helped to define someones identity. It helped to show people that they weren't alone. And if that meant dressing in black or denim so be it. The music was just the tie. It's massively ignorant to dismiss that and it comes across that you don't really get that music can mean different things to different people.


Modern society means that people don't interact in the same way as they once did. It's a side effect of the internet age. The good is that all music is available at the download of a torrent the bad is that it some ways it limits the interaction you have in real life of going to a record store. Talking to someone. And sharing that connection you have with a song or an artist with someone in person.




lovely little town

I agree with most of what you say, but i disagree that its because of the internet.

lordgoat

tomofson wrote: »

I agree with most of what you say, but i disagree that its because of the internet.

I can see that, maybe I should have phrased it better, it's mainly down to how modern society is today and the internet imo has definitely facilitated or increased the pace that his has happened. It def is not 100% at fault!