Donald Trump

InTheTrees

wes wrote: »

So let people die, because there poor basically. Pretty disgusting attitude in this day and age.

Also a very obvious difference between the Democratic party and the Republicans.

The democrats want reform the republicans want to go back to the 19th century.

The_Captain

The woman never drank a duff in her life

osarusan

From the Republican primary debate 5 years ago.

Billy86

meepins wrote: »

Great, they've rejected the mass media narrative and chosen nationalism over globalism. Good for them.

No, they've chosen the idolisation and worship of a single letter of the alphabet over any concrete ideology whatsoever. So long as there is a 'D' or an 'R' beside the name depending on the person, absolutely nothing else matters (unless their opponent has the same letter by their name, e.g. primaries).

Those people tried their best to sabotage Trump and they got blown out. Hopefully Trump ruthlessly cleans house.

Yes, because with so many people on the stage it became a matter of who could shout the loudest, not a matter of who had the best plans, policies, or chance of winning the general election. Kasich would have it sewn up long ago (Cruz, not so much).

They have pretty much become the same party so I don't get this at all.

What happened to 'nationalism vs globalism'?

Both parties are the same in the sense that they exist to serve large corporations and such, but the policies within them are quite different on a number of issues.

Is this a 'if you kill your enemies they win' post?
Have these terrorist groups ever had it better thanks to this current US admin? Getting weapons sent to them and as the US destroys countries move their jihad to the heart of Europe in amongst the resultant migrant waves.

Not sure if you've noticed but ISIS have been losing more and more ground for a while now.

Still, what do you think drives young men from the west to join ISIS and the likes?

RDM_83 again

Samaris wrote: »

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Anyone who will tell you with a straight face that one American politician "destroyed" another country (or their own) is either suffering from blind hatred or blind ideology.

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Some People on this thread are seriously worried that Trump will destroy America and might start world war three.
If it's in the power of an American president to do that to the USA with all its checks and balances why is it strange to think that Hillary was the main driver in destroying Libya?
And if you don't think Libya is destroyed that's great news cos we can ship back any migrants/refugees with a completely clear concious.

iLikeWaffles

RDM_83 again wrote: »

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Some People on this thread are seriously worried that Trump will destroy America and might start world war three.
If it's in the power of an American president to do that to the USA with all its checks and balances why is it strange to think that Hillary was the main driver in destroying Libya?
And if you don't think Libya is destroyed that's great news cos we can ship back any migrants/refugees with a completely clear concious.

Not the fact he might cause WW3. Its the fact he may not have the calm to not start it but if he does he will put a $$$ on keeping the piece and defending the 'weak'.

Butters1979

wes wrote: »

So let people die, because there poor basically. Pretty disgusting attitude in this day and age.

Let people pay their own way instead of asking anyone with any money to pay for everyone who claims they don't. If you got the money for cigarettes, flat screen tv's, trips to Vegas and 6 kids and no money for medical care, you've done it to yourself.

The reason medical care is so expensive in the states is a huge proportion of their society don't think they should contribute themselves.

Not everyone with wealth was born into wealth. And when people do get wealthy then why wouldn't they pass it on to their children. Poverty isn't a badge of honour and nobody owes you anything.

B_Wayne

Butters1979 wrote: »

Let people pay their own way instead of asking anyone with any money to pay for everyone who claims they don't. If you got the money for cigarettes, flat screen tv's, trips to Vegas and 6 kids and no money for medical care, you've done it to yourself.

Plenty of people do not have money for any of the above and if someone has six children, of course they have to care for them. You're literally ignoring the fact that families live on the poverty line.

InTheTrees

Butters1979 wrote: »

Let people pay their own way instead of asking anyone with any money to pay for everyone who claims they don't.

There has to be a better solution than that. Society has moved on from the days of people dying on the pavement outside hospitals.

ebbsy

I doubt if the Donald gets in he would be making any big decisions by himself.

It's hard to believe that there are stupid people out there who think he would.

First Up

ebbsy wrote:

I doubt if the Donald gets in he would be making any big decisions by himself.

So how do you see it working?

ebbsy

First Up wrote: »

So how do you see it working?

Well other people will tell him what to say and do.

Billy86

ebbsy wrote: »

Well other people will tell him what to say and do.

Ideally, yes.

In practice... well, have you been following him on the campaign trail?

He doesn't have the capacity nor intelligence to listen to anyone that isn't a yes man.

First Up

ebbsy wrote:

Well other people will tell him what to say and do.

Such as?

DeiseMan4

Lads if ye have 22 minutes to spare for a good laugh watch this youtube .com/watch?v=aTAIw7XUlqE - Him and howard stern from a while back, stern is class!

Bazzo

Butters1979 wrote: »

Let people pay their own way instead of asking anyone with any money to pay for everyone who claims they don't. If you got the money for cigarettes, flat screen tv's, trips to Vegas and 6 kids and no money for medical care, you've done it to yourself.

The reason medical care is so expensive in the states is a huge proportion of their society don't think they should contribute themselves.

Not everyone with wealth was born into wealth. And when people do get wealthy then why wouldn't they pass it on to their children. Poverty isn't a badge of honour and nobody owes you anything.

Yes, everybody who avails of public healthcare is living like a king with wads of cash and just refuses to buy health insurance :rolleyes:

For a few mins there I thought your posts were actually becoming semi reasonable.

ebbsy

First Up wrote: »

Such as?

Everything I'd say,Judging by his debate performance.

Capt'n Midnight

InTheTrees wrote: »

There has to be a better solution than that. Society has moved on from the days of people dying on the pavement outside hospitals.

Yes, but only because you can't extract money from someone dying out on the pavement.

Take them into hospital and you can extract money out of them for the rest of their lives because they'll have to pay off the costs.

Butters1979

Bazzo wrote: »

Yes, everybody who avails of public healthcare is living like a king with wads of cash and just refuses to buy health insurance :rolleyes:

For a few mins there I thought your posts were actually becoming semi reasonable.

No you didn't

First Up

ebbsy wrote:

Everything I'd say,Judging by his debate performance.

I'm asking you who would be the "others" who will put him right.

Sand

ebbsy wrote: »

Everything I'd say,Judging by his debate performance.

The problem is that we can only judge a potential Trump presidency by his own actions and qualifications. It might be comforting to think there is some clever, responsible adults in the background who will let Trump play in the garden whilst they make the big decisions in the oval office.

But we don't know who these people are, or if they even exist. Certainly they have been completely unable to influence Trump so far. With Clinton at least its clear she is clever and responsible so we're not relying on some potentially fictional backroom team to save us from nuclear war.

meepins

Billy86 wrote: »

Both parties are the same in the sense that they exist to serve large corporations and such, but the policies within them are quite different on a number of issues.

On the things that actually matter they are identical.
Putting aside her staggering levels of corruption, Hillary Clinton is George Bush in a pant suit with a different tax plan.
Both parties are all in with globalism and mass immigration of the third world into the US.

Not sure if you've noticed but ISIS have been losing more and more ground for a while now.

Despite the best efforts of the US and Israel.

Still, what do you think drives young men from the west to join ISIS and the likes?

Like I have some obligation to understand them and cater to them. They're not our people and they don't belong.

Sand

meepins wrote: »

Like I have some obligation to understand them and cater to them.

Well, I agree with this bit anyway.

InTheTrees

meepins wrote: »

On the things that actually matter they are identical.

And what things are those?

InTheTrees

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Yes, but only because you can't extract money from someone dying out on the pavement.

Take them into hospital and you can extract money out of them for the rest of their lives because they'll have to pay off the costs.

True. And...charge them such eye watering amounts that they declare bankruptcy and so pass the cost on to the US taxpayer.

Billy86

meepins wrote: »

On the things that actually matter they are identical.
Putting aside her staggering levels of corruption, Hillary Clinton is George Bush in a pant suit with a different tax plan.
Both parties are all in with globalism and mass immigration of the third world into the US.

Health care doesn't matter? Tax rates and how they effect the different classes don't matter? Education doesn't matter?

You don't appear to really have much idea what you're talking about.

Despite the best efforts of the US and Israel.

Then explain to us why ISIS' caliphate is losing ground rapidly. It got 14% smaller in 2015, and 12% smaller again by July of this year. Explain to me why this is.

Like I have some obligation to understand them and cater to them. They're not our people and they don't belong.

Young men from the west don't belong in the west? Young men from the west don't belong in the west? That makes absolutely no sense. It's not magic or a genetic disposition that drives these people into the arms of terrorists and other groups, it's a feeling of alienation and confused anger, ironically enough the same confused anger your post is exhibiting.

suicide_circus

Donny having a go at Hilary for her links with Dinny!!

suicide_circus

http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0928/820019-trump-clinton-obrien/

iLikeWaffles

suicide_circus wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0928/820019-trump-clinton-obrien/

Don't see how that can be harmful for her. It would be more harmful for Trump because of the business back round he comes from no? Just draws light of scheming business men which is what some people would personify as Trump.

Laois_Man

It doesn't seem to be making news anywhere in the US at the moment except on Trump's own website