Donald Trump

meepins · 25-05-2016 6:22pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Hate, racism, nationalism, white power Hitler promoted all this crap to gain power. Trump is know different hes a Fascist.

If only but no, he's a centrist.

Cheerful Spring · 25-05-2016 6:22pm

Potatoeman wrote: »

Hilary is also accused of covering up Bills sex scandals and blackmailing 'victims'.
http://www.amazon.com/Clintons-War-Women-Roger-Stone/dp/151070678X

It's going to be a dirty election.

This guy could be in charge of nuclear launch codes god help us all if hes elected.

LorMal · 25-05-2016 6:25pm

He's going to win. The momentum is with him. Hilary is looking vulnerable. I remember the vast majority of Irish and British people laughing at the notion that Ronald Reagan could be the Republican candidate, never mind become President.

Everyone laughed at Arnie running in California.

He will win because he appeals to the working class American who is suffering for the last 10 years and who Obama ignored.

Cheerful Spring · 25-05-2016 6:29pm

meepins wrote: »

If only but no, he's a centrist.

Trump is a dictator. Its hes way or your out and you're hes enemy. He cares little for poor people or people who are not white. I think people will see that if gains power.

Hilter transformed Germany's economy during the 30's i think people have forgotten that, but he still was a mad man with crazy ideas.

Potatoeman · 25-05-2016 6:29pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

This guy could be in charge of nuclear launch codes god help us all if hes elected.

I can't take people that say this serious. What makes you think he will launch nuclear weapons? Do you not think there is some form of control or do you think there is a big red button on the presidents desk.

meepins · 25-05-2016 6:32pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Trump is a dictator. Its hes way or your out and you're hes enemy. He cares little for poor people or people who are not white. I think people will see that if gains power.

Hilter transformed Germany's economy during the 30's i think people have forgotten that, but he still was a mad man with crazy ideas.

What do you mean "if"?
He will be in power and it's going to be great.

Jawfin · 25-05-2016 6:34pm

Speaking of Hitler and things, would you say that if Donald Trump became president there'd be a reign of liberalism after he leaves office? He's got my support then!

Cheerful Spring · 25-05-2016 6:38pm

Potatoeman wrote: »

I can't take people that say this serious. What makes you think he will launch nuclear weapons? Do you not think there is some form of control or do you think there is a big red button on the presidents desk.

President has the final say hes the commander in chief. It would be stupid to think new flashpoints will not happen ,in the coming years. And hard rational decisions will need to be made to avoid conflict. How would Trump react if China was involved in incident with Japan or a neighbour? Would he slap them on the wrist or send in the military? He said hes going to scrap the Iran deal? Will Iran react kindly to that? How exactly is he going to take out Isis in Syria? Russia is involved in Syria?

Richard Hillman · 25-05-2016 6:41pm

As one extreme left movement said during our election, "Real Change, Not Loose Change" is on the way. Left-Fascists thought that 3.9% in our vote was "Real Change". What Trump, Austria, France and Germany has shown is that the "real change" of near Majorities are coming and not the "loose change" of the 3.9%.

Libero-Fascism is getting a pasting in the Polls by their most hated tool, Democracy.

meepins · 25-05-2016 6:46pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

How exactly is he going to take out Isis? Russia is involved in Syria?

A good start would be cutting off the supply of weapons that America sends to radical muslim factions who are trying to remove a democratically elected president and establish an islamic state. Those weapons tend to end up with ISIS somehow.
Also Russia seems to be doing okay mopping this scum. Probably best to stay out of their way.

Potatoeman · 25-05-2016 6:55pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

President has the final say hes the commander in chief. It would be stupid to think new flashpoints will not happen ,in the coming years. And hard rational decisions will need to be made to avoid conflict. How would Trump react if China was involved in incident with Japan or a neighbour? Would he slap them on the wrist or send in the military? He said hes going to scrap the Iran deal? Will Iran react kindly to that? How exactly is he going to take out Isis in Syria? Russia is involved in Syria?

Nuclear weapons are a deterrent because of mutually assured destruction. I'm far more concerned with the missing weapons after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Cheerful Spring · 25-05-2016 7:15pm

Potatoeman wrote: »

Nuclear weapons are a deterrent because of mutually assured destruction. I'm far more concerned with the missing weapons after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

This is a recent interview a few months ago. This kind of thing has been going on since the Cold War and their is a protocol in place not to react. What if it continues happening and Trump says shoot that plane down? Trump is one sided should America stop it also. I don't trust hes decision making simple as that.

Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump has said the US has "gotta shoot down" Russian planes if diplomacy doesn't work. Trump's comments came just days after a Russian plane performed a move criticised by the Pentagon as 'dangerous' when it barrel-rolled over a US plane for the second time in a month.

The aggressive move was performed over the Baltic Sea, where Russian jets buzzed a US Destroyer ship repeatedly several days before the latest incident.

In an interview on Indiana radio show Fort Wayne's Morning News, Trump said: "I think it's terrible, I mean I watched it. It just shows how low we've gone where they can toy with us like that.

"Normally, Obama, let's say a president, because you want to make at least a call or two right, but normally Obama would call up Putin and say, 'Listen, do us a favour, don't do that, get that maniac, just stop it.'

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/trump-says-us-has-gotta-shoot-russian-planes-performing-barrel-rolls-if-democracy-fails-1558024

Billy86 · 25-05-2016 7:43pm

Joxer_Daly wrote: »

It would not cripple them. Quite the opposite.

Your 'study' is from The Federation for American Immigration Reform - a recognised hate group with ties to white supremacists.

In December 2007, FAIR was designated a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC). The SPLC accused leaders of FAIR of meeting with leaders of the Belgian Nationalist group Vlaams Belang which had been condemned by the Belgian Court of Cassation for violations of the law against racism.[35] FAIR has responded to this charge by stating there is no factual basis for the accusation;[36] that FAIR has compiled a long record of mainstream credibility and respect on immigration issues and has always opposed discrimination on the basis of race, ethnicity, or religion; and that the accusation is an "act of desperation, resulting from the SPLC's failure to convince the American people of their viewpoint."[37]

FAIR has been criticized for accepting contributions from the Pioneer Fund. Between 1982 and 1994, FAIR received $1.2 million from the foundation.[39] The Pioneer Fund focuses on projects it perceives will not be easily funded because of controversial, racial, or pro-eugenics subject matter.[13] The Pioneer Fund was described by the Sunday Telegraph as a "neo-Nazi organization closely integrated with the far right in American politics" in 1989.[40]

...which explains why that study is absolute garbage:

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/statistical-hot-air-fair%E2%80%99s-usa-report-lacks-credibility

FAIR Inflates the Costs Which Unauthorized Immigrants Impose on Federal, State, and Local Governments

- FAIR assumes, without any empirical backing, that all children of unauthorized immigrants are low-income, and that they all attend low-income schools—and therefore that they are responsible for nearly 10 percent of the $13.8 billion in Title I funding aimed at assisting schools to improve the academic performance of children from poor families. In addition to being baseless, this assumption is inconsistent with other sections of FAIR’s report, where higher income levels are acknowledged or even used as a basis for computing costs. In other words, FAIR changes its assumptions about the income of unauthorized immigrants in order to maximize the costs which are attributed to them.

- FAIR acknowledges that “only anecdotal information is available” about Medicaid fraud by unauthorized immigrants, yet inexplicably assumes that the number of unauthorized immigrants who fraudulently use Medicaid is equal to the number who seek emergency medical treatment. No explanation is provided as to why these two numbers would bear any resemblance to one another, but this assumption helps FAIR to produce $2.5 billion in alleged costs.

- FAIR assumes that nearly three-fourths of Limited English Proficiency (LEP) students in public schools are the children of unauthorized immigrants—and therefore utilize most of the $730 million in taxpayer-funded Title III programs for LEP students. Yet FAIR also states that the majority of the children of unauthorized immigrants are U.S. citizens, born and raised in the United States. It stands to reason that native-born children are less likely to be LEP students than are foreign-born children.

- FAIR counts the entire $2.5-billion budget of the Department of Homeland Security’s Detention and Removal Office as a cost associated with unauthorized immigration. However, 10 percent of the people deported each year are Legal Permanent Residents, not unauthorized immigrants.

- FAIR “charges” unauthorized immigrants with three-quarters of the $296.7-million budget of the Executive Office of Immigration Review (EOIR). According to FAIR, any case brought before EOIR that is not found “meritorious” is an expense related to unauthorized immigration, including all unsuccessful claims of asylum, hardship defense against removal, and relief from deportation under the Convention against Torture.

Basically they are exaggerating and inflating figures left, right and centre, counting the same people as both 'wealthy' when it suits them and 'poor' when it suits them, try to claim that non illegal children are illegals and when that won't work out, they just flat out make stuff up, among other things. You'd be as well of extolling the virtues of King Jong-Un via research conducted by North Korean news outlets.

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Now looking at the real practicalities of what would actually happen if you dropkicked every illegal immigrant out of the US all at once...

Meet John. John owns a construction company. John had some staff who are not legally entitled to be, like many construction and landscape companies in the US. John used to have 20 staff members, now due to illegals all being dropkicked out at once, he has 12. John has contracts that John now cannot fulfill because of this gap. Not only is John struggling to find new staff, but of those qualified... John cannot afford to pay them what they want. John has four contracts on the go, all of which are now in massive jeopardy as John explains the situation to his clients. John now loses those contracts, and unable to find staff to fill the position, John is out of business. Now John and his 11 American workers are on the dole when they previously had jobs. That's the taxes of 20 people going into the economy lost, and the welfare needs of 12 new guys that the economy must pay for - a net swing of -32. And that's before factoring the taxpayers burden from John's bankruptcy claim.

Pat lives across the street from John, he never liked John so it taking a bit of pleasure in John getting his comeuppance for his previous business practices. But Pat isn't happy, because the coffee and donut he gets on the way to his own job that used to cost $5 now costs $12. John's local place had to increase the price to offset the cheap labour they lost, and so Tim (and many other patrons) no longer go there often.

Tim owns that cafe, but Tim also knows he is going out of business. Why? It's partly to do with the aforementioned price rises to support his 15-strong staff (6 of whom were previously illegal) meaning he is seeing fewer and fewer customers while still having to pay his staff those higher rates. But it's really because half the building was in the process of being renovated, but the company who were doing it (owned by some lad called John) closed down. Tim had carefully budgeted for that renovation and now with the work half done, he's unable to find anyone to do it for an even near affordable rate for him (as they all hire only US and need to support those higher wages). So Tim knows that it's done, and is going to have to start letting staff go almost immediately.

What has been achieved here is getting rid of 14 illegal workers, but at the cost of two businesses and 21 employees jobs. Where we used to have 35 people paying tax and contributing, we now have 23 out of work and taking money out instead.

Of course Mary works in a steady job for a solicitors where there typically were very few illegals beyond perhaps courier and custodial staff; Mary is content on this front. If anything, they'll be getting extra work from the fallout. What Mary is not content about is the speed at which her taxes are rising to offset (and indeed support) those 23 unemployed (and their families). She thought Trump was supposed to be looking to reduce taxes, not increase them exponentially?

How is that sustainable in a world where a phone costs $6,000 and something like an iPad costs $15,000?

The US would have to ease off numbers of illegal immigrants gradually, because getting rid of them all at the same time (on top of being absolutely impossible) would see their economy go splat, and unemployment go up if anything.

Billy86 · 25-05-2016 7:45pm

Cienciano wrote: »

Every presidential candidate is all of those except racist. And Trump isn't racist.

He's not a racist, he just says racist things...

Billy86 · 25-05-2016 7:47pm

Joxer_Daly wrote: »

Politician lies about their beliefs for votes

Shocker.

Fixed your post, good thing old Donald isn't "just like the rest of those crooked politicians!!"

Billy86 · 25-05-2016 7:50pm

LorMal wrote: »

He will win because he appeals to the working class American who is suffering for the last 10 years and who Obama ignored.

It's been like that for decades, people just happened to get up in arms about 'elitism' when a well spoken, well educated black man became president.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/10/09/for-most-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/

meepins · 25-05-2016 8:03pm

Billy86 wrote: »

How is that sustainable in a world where a phone costs $6,000 and something like an iPad costs $15,000?

because that is what really matters boys and girls.. getting your gadgets as cheap as possible. You can use them to order everything you need delivered to your home because you're too afraid to go outside after your city has descended into a crime riddled third world invaded hell hole.

Billy86 · 25-05-2016 8:17pm

meepins wrote: »

because that is what really matters boys and girls.. getting your gadgets as cheap as possible. You can use them to order everything you need delivered to your home because you're too afraid to go outside after your city has descended into a crime riddled third world invaded hell hole.

A phone is a necessity for employment for many, you'll need to do better than that - and it's just a snapshot. How about fridges? Ovens? Kettles? Cutlery? Bedding? Beds themselves? All of these will skyrocket in price under Trump's plan.

I can't help but notice you completely failed to challenge what will happen though, in the event of all illegals being booted out at once. Safe to say you agree on that, so.

The Randy Riverbeast · 25-05-2016 8:19pm

meepins wrote: »

because that is what really matters boys and girls.. getting your gadgets as cheap as possible. You can use them to order everything you need delivered to your home because you're too afraid to go outside after your city has descended into a crime riddled third world invaded hell hole.

Just give everyone a gun. The good guys will shoot the bad guys.

beach_walker · 25-05-2016 8:23pm

Billy86 wrote: »

He's not a racist, he just says racist things...

Like what?

Potatoeman · 25-05-2016 8:24pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

This is a recent interview a few months ago. This kind of thing has been going on since the Cold War and their is a protocol in place not to react. What if it continues happening and Trump says shoot that plane down? Trump is one sided should America stop it also. I don't trust hes decision making simple as that.

Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump has said the US has "gotta shoot down" Russian planes if diplomacy doesn't work. Trump's comments came just days after a Russian plane performed a move criticised by the Pentagon as 'dangerous' when it barrel-rolled over a US plane for the second time in a month.

The aggressive move was performed over the Baltic Sea, where Russian jets buzzed a US Destroyer ship repeatedly several days before the latest incident.

In an interview on Indiana radio show Fort Wayne's Morning News, Trump said: "I think it's terrible, I mean I watched it. It just shows how low we've gone where they can toy with us like that.

"Normally, Obama, let's say a president, because you want to make at least a call or two right, but normally Obama would call up Putin and say, 'Listen, do us a favour, don't do that, get that maniac, just stop it.'

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/trump-says-us-has-gotta-shoot-russian-planes-performing-barrel-rolls-if-democracy-fails-1558024

Political relations are strained at the moment, so I don't buy that for one second. They are butting heads over Syria and that is not going to change anytime soon.

Superhorse · 25-05-2016 8:26pm

Really hoping this guy can win it if only to see the utter disgust on the faces of the highly left wing liberal do gooders on CNN. The guy is a complete breath of fresh air in this PC obsessed age.

Superhorse · 25-05-2016 8:29pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

This guy could be in charge of nuclear launch codes god help us all if hes elected.

WRONG.

LorMal · 25-05-2016 8:35pm

Billy86 wrote: »

It's been like that for decades, people just happened to get up in arms about 'elitism' when a well spoken, well educated black man became president.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/10/09/for-most-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/

That's not the point I was making. My point is that Obama really did not focus on this issue - he should have - he had a lot of good will behind him from working/middle class America.

With Saunders out of the race, these disaffected democrats will swing to Trump rather than to Hillary. (Saunders and Trump have successfully painted her as 'Corporate America').

Her goose is cooked I'm afraid.

Billy86 · 25-05-2016 8:38pm

beach_walker wrote: »

Like what?

Where to start...

“And isn’t it funny. I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it,” [former president of Trump Plaza John] O’Donnell recalled Trump saying. “The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”

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“I think the guy is lazy,” Trump said of a black employee, according to O’Donnell. “And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”

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n 1993, when Trump wanted to open a casino in Bridgeport, Connecticut, that would compete with one owned by the Mashantucket Pequot Nation, a local Native American tribe, he told the House subcommittee on Native American Affairs that “they don’t look like Indians to me... They don’t look like Indians to Indians.”

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When Trump addressed the Republican Jewish Coalition in December, he tried to relate to the crowd by invoking the stereotype of Jews as talented and cunning businesspeople.

“I’m a negotiator, like you folks,” Trump told the crowd, touting his book The Art of the Deal.

“Is there anyone who doesn’t renegotiate deals in this room?” Trump said. “Perhaps more than any room I’ve spoken to.”

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“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending the best. They’re not sending you, they’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bring crime. They’re rapists… And some, I assume, are good people.”

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“An ‘extremely credible source’ has called my office and told me that Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a fraud"

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“Who the f knows? I mean, really, who knows how much the Japs will pay for Manhattan property these days?” he asked in response, using a racial slur for the Japanese.

Billy86 · 25-05-2016 8:41pm

LorMal wrote: »

That's not the point I was making. My point is that Obama really did not focus on this issue - he should have - he had a lot of good will behind him from working/middle class America.

With Saunders out of the race, these disaffected democrats will swing to Trump rather than to Hillary. (Saunders and Trump have successfully painted her as 'Corporate America').

Her goose is cooked I'm afraid.

I never said that was or wasn't your point. My point was that despite it being the case for decades, yet many people only really seemed to get so ramped up and angry over it being an 'elitist conspiracy' and whatnot (and doubling down on the blaming non-whites and non-Americans, the USA's true elites after all) when it was a black guy in power (who kept getting badgered about his birth cert, something else I don't recall other presidents accused of over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and...).

LorMal · 25-05-2016 8:48pm

Again, you are replying to my posts with some stuff about 'elitist conspiracy' which I never postulated. Its tiresome. Stop.

B_Wayne · 25-05-2016 8:50pm

Cienciano wrote: »

Every presidential candidate is all of those except racist. And Trump isn't racist.

He's a sexist, racist pig... To use today as an example, he's resorted to referring to Elizabeth Warren as 'Pocahontas' instead of engaging in rational debate. Former president Jimmy Carter said on Monday that the Trump campaign has tapped into racist views, there's no real question. He's labelled demographics as criminal and rapists...

Trump has long history of racism that predates any campaign for president, it's one of his views, we can be confident of.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-the-governments-racial-bias-case-against-donald-trumps-company-and-how-he-fought-it/2016/01/23/fb90163e-bfbe-11e5-bcda-62a36b394160_story.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83

Sexism, there's a pretty long list but referring to a moderator's period is definitely up there. Here's a few more..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11987964/Donald-Trump-sexism-Republican-US-Presidential-candidates-gaffes.html

beach_walker · 25-05-2016 8:51pm

Billy86 wrote: »

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Is that it? I mean the first two are bad (but third hand), I'd dispute the rest as being racist (e.g. he didn't say all Mexicans are rapers). I was kinda expecting some youtube clips from rallies to be honest.

Don't get me wrong, I think the man is a bigot and ignorant on plenty of things. I just don't think he's a racist, he's been in the public limelight for decades and we only decide it when he runs as a Rep?

Billy86 · 25-05-2016 8:52pm

LorMal wrote: »

Again, you are replying to my posts with some stuff about 'elitist conspiracy' which I never postulated. Its tiresome. Stop.

If you want to point out that people are angry about their current lot, I have every right on a public forum to point out that it's interesting that this mindset only gained so much traction under Obama. I don't see what's so offensive to you about that and was just pointing it out. It's not an argument against your post or an attempt to say your findings are inaccurate, it just is what it is. And if you don't like it, well.. tough.

Donald Trump

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