Donald Trump

Billy86

Christy42 wrote: »

Surely Tim Kaine should suffer the same abuse for being a straight white male if your conclusion was correct. Or the many many many straight white males currently in office who don't suffer the same criticism that Trump does.

Are you going to keep arguing this on a vague general level or put up a serious argument ad to why him calling Mexican's rapists does not make him a racist or how him discussing the fact that he gropes women and dismisses their questions as it must be their time of the month does not make him a sexist?

Oh no no no no no, you see when he said the likes of Trump get grief for being straight white Christian males, he of course didn't mean they get grief for being straight white Christian males. Except for when they do get grief for being straight white Christian males, because the poor victim in all of this, Donald Trump, always gets abuse for nothing more than being a straight white Christian male.

Billy86

gosplan wrote: »

Hey Doc, do you think HRC was on PEDs for the debate? If so, what kind of drugs improve your debating skills?

Do you think it should make a difference if a candidate uses public speeches to put forward completely false conspiracy theories?

How would you feel if Trump spoke about aliens at a rally?

Well to be fair, something like cocaine would boost your confidence quite a bit and give you the energy to try shouting over your opponent again and again.

Downside is, it would make you sniffle something fierce throughout, though...

Annasopra

RoboKlopp wrote: »

He's gonna make America great again though..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf9K5KEs4rE

gosplan

dissed doc wrote: »

Sure, so he has very different opinions to yours. Maybe if you were a little more tolerant and open minded, you could see that.

Maybe you dislike him because he is a old white Christian man? If his views were by a young black Muslim woman, would you be so intolerant?

If he was gay would people let the attitude to sex and celebrity be the same as him being a straight man?

There is so much hate for Donald Trump, I wonder is it because he represents everything hated by the "liberal" media. A straight white Christian male - quick! Run for the hills! I thought we had killed them all off!

Rather than looking at what benefits he could bring, it is instead simply a negatively spun "this guy is bad", throw enough dirt and hope something sticks for every interest group you want to be on your side. Pretty distasteful TBH, but not surprising in this day and age.

Too many women voting for Trump? Try to get the label of "sexist" to stick
Too many muslims voting for Trump? Well get the old religious bigotry label to stick
and so on....

That is why he said everything he did, to "own" all the identity-politics labels that the liberal media uses to bully people. That is why, even if Hillary wins, the reality of the problems on the ground are not going to go away. You cannot wallpaper over the real problems by calling anyone who disagrees x,y,z label/name/insult and hoping to push them and their supporters away.

Ha, this has nothing to do with liberals, liberal values or 'the liberal media'.

Trump was never going to represent them. And it didn't matter. He could still win, just like Bush.

The reason he's nosediving is he doesn't represent conservative values either.

You can blame liberals all you want but Trumps lost the conservatives, that's the problem.

So take your shots at the republican establishment and republican leaning newspapers instead.

gosplan

Billy86 wrote: »

Well to be fair, something like cocaine would boost your confidence quite a bit and give you the energy to try shouting over your opponent again and again.

Downside is, it would make you sniffle something fierce throughout, though...

Probably make you rant and keep going off topic too.

Annasopra

dissed doc wrote: »

Instead, I am indicating that the actual things he does or will do are potentially much better than the things Clinton does or will do.

Can you tell us what things you are talking about?

dissed doc

gosplan wrote: »

Hey Doc, do you think HRC was on PEDs for the debate? If so, what kind of drugs improve your debating skills?

Do you think it should make a difference if a candidate uses public speeches to put forward completely false conspiracy theories?

How would you feel if Trump spoke about aliens at a rally?

Wouldn't make a bit of difference because the debates and speeches are uniquely geared towards the potential for researched and planned responses from whichever crowd the politician is talking to. It is completely contrived, and explains why there is such disparity between what politicians say and what they do.

So, Donald Trump can call Hillary a lizard (maybe David Duke does that already) from Mars who is a puppet for the Secret Order of Asgardians. If he is in Texas talking about building a wall, it is because that is what perhaps the locals want to hear. If he is in New York, he might talk about Islam and how it should be banned because terrorism is a cultural theme ingrained there now.

Your outrage at anything he says, is completely contrived, because you are not the target audience.

That is how those speeches work. You are not meant to take them literally or personally. They are for an audience. The only thing Donald said about Ireland is that it is "small potatoes" which is quite amusing when you think about it

Do people really take it so seriously? Obama promised all sorts of good feels, good emotions: change, lovely change.... mmmm . Really now. Come on. Basing your decision on emotional responses to audiences you are not even part of? Upset because he upset some group of x, y,z? He called your friend names and now he gets a black mark? "Don't be friends with him", it is like playgrounds at a school, with adults acting like immature children.

Needy, desperate for approval nonsense, that is the only consistency with the arguments against Trump.

Anyway, if he is such a bad candidate than Hillary will win, right? And then everything will be super duper amazing. Anyone who disagrees is a deplorable moron of the x,y,z negative identity label du jour. Why even bother with Trump's ways. Unless you think he has a chance of winning? And that could only happen, if democracy made it happen.... so .... do we still like democracy or not?

Annasopra

dissed doc wrote: »

Wouldn't make a bit of difference because the debates and speeches are uniquely geared towards the potential for researched and planned responses from whichever crowd the politician is talking to. It is completely contrived, and explains why there is such disparity between what politicians say and what they do.

So, Donald Trump can call Hillary a lizard (maybe David Duke does that already) from Mars who is a puppet for the Secret Order of Asgardians. If he is in Texas talking about building a wall, it is because that is what perhaps the locals want to hear. If he is in New York, he might talk about Islam and how it should be banned because terrorism is a cultural theme ingrained there now.

Your outrage at anything he says, is completely contrived, because you are not the target audience.

That is how those speeches work. You are not meant to take them literally or personally. They are for an audience. The only thing Donald said about Ireland is that it is "small potatoes" which is quite amusing when you think about it

Do people really take it so seriously? Obama promised all sorts of good feels, good emotions: change, lovely change.... mmmm . Really now. Come on. Basing your decision on emotional responses to audiences you are not even part of? Upset because he upset some group of x, y,z? He called your friend names and now he gets a black mark? "Don't be friends with him", it is like playgrounds at a school, with adults acting like immature children.

Needy, desperate for approval nonsense, that is the only consistency with the arguments against Trump.

Anyway, if he is such a bad candidate than Hillary will win, right? And then everything will be super duper amazing. Anyone who disagrees is a deplorable moron of the x,y,z negative identity label du jour.

Have you any arguments in favour of trump?

HellSquirrel

Have you any arguments in favour of trump?

I think he's just proved that not only does he have no arguments in favour of Trump, he's not 100% sure on what an argument actually looks like.

That's my only explanation for retreating into whine when asked to back up his statements.

dissed doc

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Have you any arguments in favour of trump?

I think he has a great hairdo, Ivanka Trump should be Secretary of State, and there will be a policy of casinos and hotels around the world's trouble hotspots instead of barricaded embassies and tanks. I like the way he has never drank alcohol, used drugs or smoked.

The west would get a lot farther in generating soft-power and goodwill in the difficult places around the world with a few margueritas and some blackjack that whatever local despot or warlord can play, than all the Humvees and cluster bombs and drone strikes. The "forever war" policy of Clinton is simply not successful so far. So many dead, cities destroyed, chaos migration of millions.

How about a few hotels, nice beaches, some golf, good food, etc., . Or?

I don't like the way people try to use negative identity labels to bully others about Trump. Look at the actions, not the words. It is so negative to be attached to such type of emotional blackmailing - don't vote for Trump because that means you are also racist/ignorant/stupid/whatever. That is not how adults behave. Look at what someone does and then make a decision.

gosplan

dissed doc wrote: »

Wouldn't make a bit of difference because the debates and speeches are uniquely geared towards the potential for researched and planned responses from whichever crowd the politician is talking to. It is completely contrived, and explains why there is such disparity between what politicians say and what they do.

So, Donald Trump can call Hillary a lizard (maybe David Duke does that already) from Mars who is a puppet for the Secret Order of Asgardians. If he is in Texas talking about building a wall, it is because that is what perhaps the locals want to hear. If he is in New York, he might talk about Islam and how it should be banned because terrorism is a cultural theme ingrained there now.

Your outrage at anything he says, is completely contrived, because you are not the target audience.

That is how those speeches work. You are not meant to take them literally or personally. They are for an audience. The only thing Donald said about Ireland is that it is "small potatoes" which is quite amusing when you think about it

Do people really take it so seriously? Obama promised all sorts of good feels, good emotions: change, lovely change.... mmmm . Really now. Come on. Basing your decision on emotional responses to audiences you are not even part of? Upset because he upset some group of x, y,z? He called your friend names and now he gets a black mark? "Don't be friends with him", it is like playgrounds at a school, with adults acting like immature children.

Needy, desperate for approval nonsense, that is the only consistency with the arguments against Trump.

Anyway, if he is such a bad candidate than Hillary will win, right? And then everything will be super duper amazing. Anyone who disagrees is a deplorable moron of the x,y,z negative identity label du jour. Why even bother with Trump's ways. Unless you think he has a chance of winning? And that could only happen, if democracy made it happen.... so .... do we still like democracy or not?

So the guy with zero experience who just tells people what they want to hear is the best candidate?

Fair enough, I guess.

Annasopra

dissed doc wrote: »

I think he has a great hairdo, Ivanka Trump should be Secretary of State, and there will be a policy of casinos and hotels around the world's trouble hotspots instead of barricaded embassies and tanks. I like the way he has never drank alcohol, used drugs or smoked.

The west would get a lot farther in generating soft-power and goodwill in the difficult places around the world with a few margueritas and some blackjack that whatever local despot or warlord can play, than all the Humvees and cluster bombs and drone strikes. The "forever war" policy of Clinton is simply not successful so far. So many dead, cities destroyed, chaos migration of millions.

How about a few hotels, nice beaches, some golf, good food, etc., . Or?

I don't like the way people try to use negative identity labels to bully others about Trump. Look at the actions, not the words. It is so negative to be attached to such type of emotional blackmailing - don't vote for Trump because that means you are also racist/ignorant/stupid/whatever. That is not how adults behave. Look at what someone does and then make a decision.

That would be a No to my question then.

dissed doc

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

That would be a No to my question then.

No - those are all my legitimate perspectives. I think Trump as a personality and character would open a lot more doors around the world than Clinton who is genuinely a bully - a threatening presence on the political world stage.

If you are King of Saudi - would you like to hang out with Trump or Clinton? How about Putin? Putin could probably get on well with Trump. Money flows, business deals done,

Clinton seems to me, to be simply a well established bully. Used to threatening others, used to attacking countries, people, whoever gets in her way. I don't like that type of person. I just can't relate to that type of person.

But someone who opens fine hotels and generates good local business? Well, that I certainly can get on board with. Those are my reasons and they are as valid as anyone elses for why they support Clinton. Or am I too stupid? Should I be bullied now because I am deplorable and uneducated?

America and "the west" has less and less goodwill globally. There was a time when the US was a great and well respected place. It really isn't any more, and politics in a global level have become miserable, negative, uncooperative disputes that have been killing loads of people. Instead of opening Coca Cola factories and employing local businesses, it is "drone strikes first, then tanks", loads of dead, another city destroyed, etc., .

I simply cannot relate to the type of character that Clinton is. There is so little goodwill for the west and the US now, probably at the lowest in history. That is not a good thing, certainly not from my perspective. Donald is a world famous businessman, a celebrity with huge amounts of recognition that is nothing to do with Syrian wars, Libya, ISIS, Saudi Arabia, Russia and Ukraine violence, uprisings. He sells a different image abroad and one which IMO is better for people.

HellSquirrel

Sigh, Poe's Law.

So, moving on from the waste of time arguments, is anyone else concerned about the doubling down on encouraging his supporters to not accept the results of the election? Even he seems to finally be aware that he probably won't win, and is desperately trying to blame someone, anyone, everyone else for it. He's got no loyalty to the party, which is one thing, but I wonder if he is actually too stupid to realise the damage he's doing to the country with this spurious face-saving or if he just plain doesn't care?

Either way, he's successfully deepened the mistrust between the marginalised portion of the far right and the rest of the country, along with shattering the Republican Party.

And the US does need the Republican Party in some form, so I actually do hope they recover from it and move back to a saner centre-right position.


Edit: Huh, maybe it wasn't Poe's Law in action. Alright, disseddoc, he may be a good entertainer. Do you reckon that's the only qualification needed or do you think that just maybe some knowledge and ability to deal with people without throwing a tantrum if they don't lick your feet may be useful?

Personally, I prefer someone that can make the tough decisions over a guy that just wants to be popular.

RasTa

How dare he attack Baldwin!

Watched Saturday Night Live hit job on me.Time to retire the boring and unfunny show. Alec Baldwin portrayal stinks. Media rigging election!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/787612552654155776

Pro Hoc Vice

RasTa wrote: »

How dare he attack Baldwin!



https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/787612552654155776

It gets even worse

“If she’s in office, I hope we can start a coup. She should be in prison or shot. That’s how I feel about it,” Dan Bowman, a 50-year-old contractor, said of Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee. “We’re going to have a revolution and take them out of office if that’s what it takes. There’s going to be a lot of bloodshed. But that’s what it’s going to take. . . . I would do whatever I can for my country.”

His surporters are openly calling for a coup. That is treason ffs.


http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/10/15/donald-trump-warnings-conspiracy-rig-election-are-stoking-anger-among-his-followers/LcCY6e0QOcfH8VdeK9UdsM/story.html

captbarnacles

dissed doc wrote: »

Clinton seems to me, to be simply a well established bully. Used to threatening others, used to attacking countries, people, whoever gets in her way. I don't like that type of person. I just can't relate to that type of person.

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But you can relate to Trump? really? the man who has used the threat of litigation to stiff people who have worked for him his whole career?

RasTa

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

It gets even worse



His surporters are openly calling for a coup. That is treason ffs.


http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/10/15/donald-trump-warnings-conspiracy-rig-election-are-stoking-anger-among-his-followers/LcCY6e0QOcfH8VdeK9UdsM/story.html

Some gold in that article. It does remind me of brexit

His supporters are heeding the call. “Trump said to watch your precincts. I’m going to go, for sure,” said Steve Webb, a 61-year-old carpenter from Fairfield, Ohio.

“I’ll look for . . . well, it’s called racial profiling. Mexicans. Syrians. People who can’t speak American,” he said. “I’m going to go right up behind them. I’ll do everything legally. I want to see if they are accountable. I’m not going to do anything illegal. I’m going to make them a little bit nervous.”

Some Trump supporters say that if he doesn’t win, they figure the United States government will be no better than dictatorships where elections cannot be trusted.

“We’re heading toward North Korea, without a doubt,” said Grant Reed, a Trump supporter wearing a shirt that said, “If you’re offended, I’ll help you pack.”

Joe Cecil, a 39-year-old restaurant manager, said he has never voted before but is newly inspired by Trump.

“If people are offended by the sexual stuff, what do they think is going to happen when Muslims come here, implement Sharia law, and start raping our women?” he asks.

scamalert

basically he has hung himself by now < as some user said here hes walking into his own rope and jumping down the cliff :pac:

While there are good bunch of supporters but same people that wear fck hillary ,media - imagine would easily be persuaded to wear fck blacks,mexicans white america kkk :cool:

so,he knows hes going down in flames thus throws any tantrums he can now,imagine there would be some chaos for day or two,but once Hillary in,id imagine for all the stuff he said he will do to her,trump will be seeking asylum in some other country since can imagine him getting off easy with his own past,and criminal cases that can be brought upon him.

dissed doc

captbarnacles wrote: »

But you can relate to Trump? really? the man who has used the threat of litigation to stiff people who have worked for him his whole career?

Yeah fair question but I just don't like the killing, the war machine even more. I didn't like the way Ireland was run (maybe still is) by the "Golden Circle". I think the US has the exact same problem, exponentially.

This is a speech by Trump that I think might give a reason as to why he gets support. It is the sort of speech you get to make, when you are in nobody's pocket and no-one has bought you off.

It is not because of what he is - it is because it is what he is not. He is not the establishment, he is not the Washington elite. Everything he said about the media and government can be just as much said in Ireland during the Celtic Tiger era, and how the limited media we have and the government were very much in sync. 10 years later, there is quite open and transparent information.

Clinton and her group are no different to the FF and then FG governments. "More of the same", enrich a small group, and screw the masses. We are still paying those debts in Ireland and will do for decades. the US is paying the debts for all the wars, all the trillions of dollars in debts.

Who knows what would happen with Trump, but it is pretty obvious what would happen with Clinton; more debt, more war, more poverty, etc., . That is what happens when you have a tail wagging the dog.

CMOTDibbler

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

It gets even worse

“If she’s in office, I hope we can start a coup. She should be in prison or shot. That’s how I feel about it,” Dan Bowman, a 50-year-old contractor, said of Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee. “We’re going to have a revolution and take them out of office if that’s what it takes. There’s going to be a lot of bloodshed. But that’s what it’s going to take. . . . I would do whatever I can for my country.”

His surporters are openly calling for a coup. That is treason ffs.


http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/10/15/donald-trump-warnings-conspiracy-rig-election-are-stoking-anger-among-his-followers/LcCY6e0QOcfH8VdeK9UdsM/story.html

Tbh, I'm sickened by the whole thing. Day after day, I wonder how much worse it can get. And then I find out and have to lower my expectations again.

John Oliver said a couple of weeks ago that if you looked up as high as you could, above the clouds, that would be rock bottom. After a week of 'pussy grabbing' comments, he said if you looked up there again, that would be where they were the previous week.

It was funny in a way. But it was true too. And the frigtening thing is that rock bottom is only an illusion now. It's as unreachable as the other side of the galaxy.

Republican supporters must need to be almost schizophrenic to be able to exist in the dichotomy that Trump has created.

scamalert

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 33m33 minutes ago Polls close, but can you believe I lost large numbers of women voters based on made up events THAT NEVER HAPPENED. Media rigging election!



wth ? is he that delusional and surpised when 7 days ago he was bragging and apologizing left and right.


dementia must be strong in him.

meepins

What did they mean by this?

jobbridge4life

scamalert wrote: »

basically he has hung himself by now < as some user said here hes walking into his own rope and jumping down the cliff :pac:

While there are good bunch of supporters but same people that wear fck hillary ,media - imagine would easily be persuaded to wear fck blacks,mexicans white america kkk :cool:

so,he knows hes going down in flames thus throws any tantrums he can now,imagine there would be some chaos for day or two,but once Hillary in,id imagine for all the stuff he said he will do to her,trump will be seeking asylum in some other country since can imagine him getting off easy with his own past,and criminal cases that can be brought upon him.

What is inspiring your confidence. The latest poles show him just four percent behind Hillary. That is virtually within the margin of error. I still think he will win.

CMOTDibbler

dissed doc wrote: »

It is not because of what he is - it is because it is what he is not. He is not the establishment, he is not the Washington elite. Everything he said about the media and government can be just as much said in Ireland during the Celtic Tiger era, and how the limited media we have and the government were very much in sync. 10 years later, there is quite open and transparent information.

Clinton and her group are no different to the FF and then FG governments. "More of the same", enrich a small group, and screw the masses. We are still paying those debts in Ireland and will do for decades. the US is paying the debts for all the wars, all the trillions of dollars in debts.

Who knows what would happen with Trump, but it is pretty obvious what would happen with Clinton; more debt, more war, more poverty, etc., . That is what happens when you have a tail wagging the dog.

I actually watched that. The problem is that a lot of what he says could be applied to him. He may deny that he's part of the establishment, but he can't do that and brag about his wealth as well.

The comparison he made with Brexit is almost impossible to swallow. When you have the likes of Rupert Murdoch pushing for Brexit because he knows that he has more sway in Westminster than he has in Brussels gives the lie to the media conspiracy that Trump talks about.

It's very shallow thinking and very poor analysis. Even the statement about the Clintons increasing debt is false when Bill Clinton is the only president in recent years who actually had budget surpluses during his terms in office.

Pro Hoc Vice

jobbridge4life wrote: »

What is inspiring your confidence. The latest poles show him just four percent behind Hillary. That is virtually within the margin of error. I still think he will win.

Which poll?

jobbridge4life

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

I actually watched that. The problem is that a lot of what he says could be applied to him. He may deny that he's part of the establishment, but he can't do that and brag about his wealth as well.

The comparison he made with Brexit is almost impossible to swallow. When you have the likes of Rupert Murdoch pushing for Brexit because he knows that he has more sway in Westminster than he has in Brussels gives the lie to the media conspiracy that Trump talks about.

It's very shallow thinking and very poor analysis. Even the statement about the Clintons increasing debt is false when Bill Clinton is the only president in recent years who actually had budget surpluses during his terms in office.

And independent analysis has shown that Donald's economic 'plan' would far more debt than Clinton's.

scuba8

HellSquirrel wrote: »

Attacking the people commenting on Trump's own words, policies, opinions and comments when he wants to represent a powerful and supposedly first world nation is, I respectfully suggest, far dumber than anything you've accused the other side of.

This is a man that doesn't know what a white supremacist is (in his own words) when David Duke, the GRAND WIZARD OF THE KKK, is endorsing him.

I weep for the post-fact world.

Just on a point of order here he actually did know who David Duke was. He just lied about knowing him. He did not want to alienate the potential votes he might get from the aryan right.

jobbridge4life

scuba8 wrote: »

Just on a point of order here he actually did know who David Duke was he just lied about knowing him. He did not want to alienate the potential votes he might get from the aryan right.

Which is of course even more deplorable.

BorneTobyWilde

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

It gets even worse

“If she’s in office, I hope we can start a coup. She should be in prison or shot. That’s how I feel about it,” Dan Bowman, a 50-year-old contractor, said of Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee. “We’re going to have a revolution and take them out of office if that’s what it takes. There’s going to be a lot of bloodshed. But that’s what it’s going to take. . . . I would do whatever I can for my country.”

His surporters are openly calling for a coup. That is treason ffs.


http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/10/15/donald-trump-warnings-conspiracy-rig-election-are-stoking-anger-among-his-followers/LcCY6e0QOcfH8VdeK9UdsM/story.html

And if it happened would Hilary do exactly what Assad did and get military to attack and kill Americans? I believe she would.
Americans will not stand by and watch their rights being taken away, they won't stand by and watch her flood the country with lucky dip refugees . They won't stand by and watch her say one thing in public and sell out the American people behind their backs so she can line her own pockets.
She is crooked , not fit to be president. We can do better than Trump too.
Both need to go, but if I had choice for president then it would be Trump.