Donald Trump

Superhorse

N365 wrote: »

Might not be a bad thing if Trump succeeds . I'm not really sure what people are afraid of. I don't believe he is racist or a war monger. The U.S. Needs a strong leader.

The liberal lefties have played the race card now many times on Trump and it's totally failed. Trump is exactly what America needs after the Obama disaster.

Billy86

Superhorse wrote: »

The liberal lefties have played the race card now many times on Trump and it's totally failed. Trump is exactly what America needs after the Obama disaster.

You might have missed my earlier post where I asked, but are you 100% in favour of absolutely everything single stance Donald Trump has on every single policy and issue that there is?

I'm curious because it is the logical conclusion to take from your previous post that lacked any real detail as to what you are in favour of, what you are not in favour of, what you are indifferent towards, etc.

Foxtrol

Superhorse wrote: »

The liberal lefties have played the race card now many times on Trump and it's totally failed. Trump is exactly what America needs after the Obama disaster.

Calling out a racist didn’t work during a Republican Primary :eek:

Getting branded a racist didn’t work there because of the sizeable percentage of the base (possibly including yourself) hold similar views, that percentage simply doesn’t translate to the general election voters (and I hold that the percentage wouldn’t even have been enough to beat a mainstream republican candidate in a one on one primary).

I’m not quite sure what the Obama disaster is, in most metrics (aside from ones that are in Trump’s head) America is doing much better than when he took office, but that’s a whole different thread.

Billy86

Foxtrol wrote: »

I’m not quite sure what the Obama disaster is, in most metrics (aside from ones that are in Trump’s head) America is doing much better than when he took office, but that’s a whole different thread.

It's similar to the 'Kenny disaster' - lots of people who gained a sense of entitlement during the boom years, moaning and b*tching that it's not like it was. Obama has had a lot of failings, flaws, imperfections and broken promises (though many can be attributed to the GOP openly stating that all they wanted to do during Obama's presidency was hamper him and stop him getting re-elected, rather than help their country - "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president"). However despite that, the US is in a much better shape as you said, and unemployment has more than halved since 2009 (10% down to 4.7% as of May 2016).

Complaints from GOP voters over wealth disparity being a 'Democratic' thing are kind of gas also, because their demigod Reagan is to thank for that. It's the classic folly of American politics, too many people do not give a sh*t what the person they are supporting is saying for the most part, and instead are far more (almost exclusively) interested in if the letter beside their name reads (R) or (D). Statistics, facts, and all other forms of even semi objective analysis don't only mean nothing to a large section, they quite literally are seen as the enemy.

lee_baby_simms

Superhorse wrote: »

Trump is exactly what America needs after the Obama disaster.

Can you explain how Obama was a disaster in your view?

end of the road

Superhorse wrote: »

The liberal lefties have played the race card now many times on Trump and it's totally failed. Trump is exactly what America needs after the Obama disaster.

the non-liberal lefties rabel rabel haven't played the non existant race card. trump is the last thing america needs, he's a bully and a nasty piece of work

B_Wayne

Superhorse wrote: »

I hope so because the damage Obama has done is deep routed. The man is a maniac and a fraud but hey who cares if he's a smooth public speaker what.

Do you also agree with Trump that he's Kenyan? Irony is, Trump is up on fraud charges and intends on banning people who are Muslim from America.....But Obama is the fraud and maniac...

Two Tone

Superhorse wrote: »

The liberal lefties have played the race card now many times on Trump and it's totally failed. Trump is exactly what America needs after the Obama disaster.

But you played the race card on that thread about the bombing in Turkey.
And you deemed unstable societies in the Middle East to be preferable to live in than parts of the U.S.

Are you realising these strangely contradictory positions?

K-9

Wibbs wrote: »

You do realise he was left millions of dollars by his daddy? And if he had taken those millions and simply invested them all those years ago that he'd be worth more than he is today(which is hard to pin down as he constantly shifts on the figure). What does impress me about him has been his ability to get away with major losses and business failures and the banks still backed him. He's a very good negotiator it seems.

It's fascinating how this myth of him being great at business has survived.

The high profile Atlantic City bankruptcies,
Trump Airlines (the moron took over a profitable no frills airline and put in fake gold taps and laminated flooring)
Trump Steaks,
Trump Travel search engine,
Trump Vodka,
Trump Mortgages (started in 06!)
Trump the Game
Trump Magazine
Trump University (looks dodgy as hell, same as the next one)
Trump Health & Vitamin Supplements
Trump Ice
Trump football team (he really ballsed that one up)
Tour de Trump (yep, seriously he tried to start a cycle race)
Trump on the beach restaurant
The Trump New Media(the saying he was a head of his time, well a bit too ahead of his time there)
Trump Talk Radio (how'd he mess that one up?)

http://gawker.com/a-complete-list-of-donald-trump-s-business-disasters-1764151188

K-9

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

So...more guns, more military spending, 25 billion on a wall, 21 million to lose healthcare coverage and removal of minimum wage.

America will be great in no time!

Removal of minimum wage and the guy gets the working class vote!

Billy86

K-9 wrote: »

Trump football team (he really ballsed that one up)

And ballsed up every the league as a whole, causing every team in it to fail and go out of business (nothing Ireland would need to worry about, not as if there is any interdependence between us and the US!).

Renegade Mechanic

If it's a choice between An ignorant bigot and the literal face corporate interest, corporate profit and corporation over government then I'd have to go for the bigot. Trump is bad but I've warmed to the bugger - he's an arsehole, who isn't in that game - and that lunatic Clinton is way more dangerous imo. Far more scandals surrounding them than Trump. And despite all Trumps failings, tell me how many companies he's opened in 3rd world countries vs the amount he's opened in the 1st world

Too many scandals and too many deaths around that sociopath.

Let's focus less on the people that like him and more on the people who hate him:

Anyone involved in getting America into the middle east.
Thousands of media outlets.
The handful of people who own them.
Wall Street.
Bankers.
Anyone who abuses the temp work permit.
People like Bloomberg, Sutherland, Soros, etc.
And rather a lot more.

These are the people who've brought the world to where it is today, financially.

Just entertain the absolute opposite side of the argument for a few minutes and watch this video. It's pathetically cheesy, I'll admit, but interesting nonetheless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIqvJOT04rk

Edit: url.

https://youtu.be/lIqvJOT04rk

SEPT 23 1989

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Can you explain how Obama was a disaster in your view?

His foreign policy has changed the course of history in a very bad way

Billy86

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

If it's a choice between An ignorant bigot and the literal face corporate interest, corporate profit and corporation over government then I'd have to go for the bigot.

The problem there is that the bigot is every bit as, if not more corporate, than the corporate interest.

Trump is bad but I've warmed to the bugger - he's an arsehole, who isn't in that game - and that lunatic Clinton is way more dangerous imo. Far more scandals surrounding them than Trump.

Not sure that's true or false, both are mired in them, including currently (emails vs fraud).

And despite all Trumps failings, tell me how many companies he's opened in 3rd world countries vs the amount he's opened in the 1st world

The issue here is he is platforming to do the exact opposite, with nothing resembling a track record of the sort. As you said, he moves a tonne of jobs outside America, yet now he is claiming he is going to bring jobs back to the US?

Hillary might as well run on a 'family values' or 'bring down Wall Street' platform.

RobertKK

Sally Miller, former Miss Arkansas has made a lot of claims about the Clintons, like she had an affair with Bill, Hillary is a lesbian and married Bill for political reasons. Sally claims Hillary had several abortions and hated being pregnant, but was advised it was better politically to have a child which is where Chelsea comes in.
She claims Hillary is a very cold person, and curses like a sailor. That she only cares about herself.

Funny Daily Mail article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3427366/He-frilly-nightie-danced-playing-sax-Former-Miss-Arkansas-says-Bill-Clinton-bed-confided-Hillary-sex-women-fears-Hillary-vendetta-sleeps-loaded-semi-automatic.html

It says: Miller, then 44, would leave her back door ajar so her seven-years younger paramour - then Governor of Arkansas - could slip in.


If people remember the person who was close to the Clinton but who died under mysterious circumstances, it was found to be a suicide with a gun, though conspiracy theorists say it was murder.
Well Sally Miller says she is being spied on and stalked and she says Hillary Clinton has a vendetta against her, and she is afraid for her life so she sleeps with a semi automatic gun beside her.


Wonder if Trump will give her a platform to take on Hillary...

wakka12

RobertKK wrote: »

Sally Miller, former Miss Arkansas has made a lot of claims about the Clintons, like she had an affair with Bill, Hillary is a lesbian and married Bill for political reasons. Sally claims Hillary had several abortions and hated being pregnant, but was advised it was better politically to have a child which is where Chelsea comes in.
She claims Hillary is a very cold person, and curses like a sailor. That she only cares about herself.

Funny Daily Mail article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3427366/He-frilly-nightie-danced-playing-sax-Former-Miss-Arkansas-says-Bill-Clinton-bed-confided-Hillary-sex-women-fears-Hillary-vendetta-sleeps-loaded-semi-automatic.html

It says: Miller, then 44, would leave her back door ajar so her seven-years younger paramour - then Governor of Arkansas - could slip in.


If people remember the person who was close to the Clinton but who died under mysterious circumstances, it was found to be a suicide with a gun, though conspiracy theorists say it was murder.
Well Sally Miller says she is being spied on and stalked and she says Hillary Clinton has a vendetta against her, and she is afraid for her life so she sleeps with a semi automatic gun beside her.


Wonder if Trump will give her a platform to take on Hillary...

Any basis for this rumour? or just some kind of smear campaign? Didnt happen to originate in the 1980s did it?

Billy86

RobertKK wrote: »

Sally Miller, former Miss Arkansas has made a lot of claims about the Clintons, like she had an affair with Bill, Hillary is a lesbian and married Bill for political reasons. Sally claims Hillary had several abortions and hated being pregnant, but was advised it was better politically to have a child which is where Chelsea comes in.
She claims Hillary is a very cold person, and curses like a sailor. That she only cares about herself.

Funny Daily Mail article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3427366/He-frilly-nightie-danced-playing-sax-Former-Miss-Arkansas-says-Bill-Clinton-bed-confided-Hillary-sex-women-fears-Hillary-vendetta-sleeps-loaded-semi-automatic.html

It says: Miller, then 44, would leave her back door ajar so her seven-years younger paramour - then Governor of Arkansas - could slip in.


If people remember the person who was close to the Clinton but who died under mysterious circumstances, it was found to be a suicide with a gun, though conspiracy theorists say it was murder.
Well Sally Miller says she is being spied on and stalked and she says Hillary Clinton has a vendetta against her, and she is afraid for her life so she sleeps with a semi automatic gun beside her.


Wonder if Trump will give her a platform to take on Hillary...

I don't know, that could easily turn into a 2008 "Palin is a bulldog, Obama's worst nightmare!!" scenario that backfires in spectacular fashion.

Foxtrol

RobertKK wrote: »

Sally Miller, former Miss Arkansas has made a lot of claims about the Clintons, like she had an affair with Bill, Hillary is a lesbian and married Bill for political reasons. Sally claims Hillary had several abortions and hated being pregnant, but was advised it was better politically to have a child which is where Chelsea comes in.
She claims Hillary is a very cold person, and curses like a sailor. That she only cares about herself.

Funny Daily Mail article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3427366/He-frilly-nightie-danced-playing-sax-Former-Miss-Arkansas-says-Bill-Clinton-bed-confided-Hillary-sex-women-fears-Hillary-vendetta-sleeps-loaded-semi-automatic.html

It says: Miller, then 44, would leave her back door ajar so her seven-years younger paramour - then Governor of Arkansas - could slip in.


If people remember the person who was close to the Clinton but who died under mysterious circumstances, it was found to be a suicide with a gun, though conspiracy theorists say it was murder.
Well Sally Miller says she is being spied on and stalked and she says Hillary Clinton has a vendetta against her, and she is afraid for her life so she sleeps with a semi automatic gun beside her.


Wonder if Trump will give her a platform to take on Hillary...

Sounds like a balanced individual

Foxtrol

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

His foreign policy has changed the course of history in a very bad way

From what he inherited he was damned if he did and he was damned if he didn’t. Hindsight 20/20 etc etc

Foxtrol

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

If it's a choice between An ignorant bigot and the literal face corporate interest, corporate profit and corporation over government then I'd have to go for the bigot. Trump is bad but I've warmed to the bugger - he's an arsehole, who isn't in that game - and that lunatic Clinton is way more dangerous imo. Far more scandals surrounding them than Trump. And despite all Trumps failings, tell me how many companies he's opened in 3rd world countries vs the amount he's opened in the 1st world

Too many scandals and too many deaths around that sociopath.

Let's focus less on the people that like him and more on the people who hate him:

Anyone involved in getting America into the middle east.
Thousands of media outlets.
The handful of people who own them.
Wall Street.
Bankers.
Anyone who abuses the temp work permit.
People like Bloomberg, Sutherland, Soros, etc.
And rather a lot more.

These are the people who've brought the world to where it is today, financially.

Trump has performed a great job in brainwashing people into believing corporate America is out to get him because of his policies, like a lot of his statements he says it enough times with enough conviction people start to believe him. People want nothing to do with him because he’s a complete loose cannon, donors just don’t want to be linked to him when he says the next bigoted thing. Despite shouting about Super PACs being terrible it now appears that he is turning to them for support, like he’ll do with any other person or interest group that he thinks he can get something from (and turn away from once he has used them).

No journalist (or person for that matter) with any credibility can stand by and not question his comments. It’s hilarious as he goes out of his way to be controversial to get media coverage and then complains that the media are out to get him. The amount of free media he has received is mind blowing.

Billy86

Foxtrol wrote: »

Trump has performed a great job in brainwashing people into believing corporate America is out to get him because of his policies, like a lot of his statements he says it enough times with enough conviction people start to believe him. People want nothing to do with him because he’s a complete loose cannon, donors just don’t want to be linked to him when he says the next bigoted thing. Despite shouting about Super PACs being terrible it now appears that he is turning to them for support, like he’ll do with any other person or interest group that he thinks he can get something from (and turn away from once he has used them).

No journalist (or person for that matter) with any credibility can stand by and not question his comments. It’s hilarious as he goes out of his way to be controversial to get media coverage and then complains that the media are out to get him. The amount of free media he has received is mind blowing.

Hasn't he only loaned (as opposed to donated) his own money, with much of the rest coming from all manner of donors? I could be wrong on that, just remember seeing something to that effect a few weeks back.

On top of that, he apparently rented out Trump Tower to his own campaign... which would mean he has actually profited off his own campaign, and already has been using donation dollars to line his own pockets.

Truly the man of the people who will Make America Great Again unlike all those greedy, corruprt, corporate, big wig, fat cat, [insert buzzword here] politicians lining their own pockets! :rolleyes:

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Edit for link/quote - on the way out the door from work so just grabbed the first one I found.

http://qz.com/582641/25-of-donald-trumps-political-spending-goes-to-his-own-companies/

Meanwhile, Trump’s various companies have contributed some $105,000 worth of services, including salaries for Trump’s pre-existing staff, including his feisty bodyguard, and, less explicably but more expensively, rent paid to his to luxury condo buildings in the heart of Manhattan: Trump Plaza and Trump Central Park South.

His campaign has also paid $160,000 to rent space at various Trump-owned buildings, including Trump Tower on 5th Ave. The campaign’s largest expenditure is $1.2 million to the private jet company that Trump owns in order to shuttle him around the US. All told, his campaign has paid Trump-owned entities $1.4 million, a little more than a quarter of all its spending.

wakka12

Foxtrol wrote: »

Trump has performed a great job in brainwashing people into believing corporate America is out to get him because of his policies, like a lot of his statements he says it enough times with enough conviction people start to believe him. People want nothing to do with him because he’s a complete loose cannon, donors just don’t want to be linked to him when he says the next bigoted thing. Despite shouting about Super PACs being terrible it now appears that he is turning to them for support, like he’ll do with any other person or interest group that he thinks he can get something from (and turn away from once he has used them).

No journalist (or person for that matter) with any credibility can stand by and not question his comments. It’s hilarious as he goes out of his way to be controversial to get media coverage and then complains that the media are out to get him. The amount of free media he has received is mind blowing.

Mhm..I think people secretly love discussing him which just adds to it. Media report on what people are interested in!

RobertKK

Linda Tripp claims Bill had upto 2,000 women and Hillary knew, but stood by Bill as her route to the White house.
She claims her role in exposing the Monica Lewisnsky scandal saved her life athe life on Monica and also her own life, as nothing stands in the way of the Clintons.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/17/exclusive-linda-tripp-bill-had-affairs-with-thousands-of-women/

Linda Tripp:

I say today and I will continue to say that I believe Monica Lewinsky is alive today because of choices I made and action I took. That may sound melodramatic to your listeners. I can only say that from my perspective I believe that she and I at the time were in danger, because nothing stands in the way of these people achieving their political ends.
I think that had it not become public when it did, particularly in light of the Paula Jones lawsuit, which was coming to a head with President Clinton’s deposition, that we may well have met with an accident. It’s a situation where unless you lived it as I did you would have no real framework of reference for this sort of situation.

About Monica's affair with Bill:

He fancied himself entitled. It was nothing more than a servicing agreement. She romanticized that there was an affair. And when it didn’t pan out the way she had hoped it would – he had promised her he would bring her back to the White House as soon as the 1996 election campaign had finished. When he didn’t, she essentially lost her mind and started acting in erratic and frightening ways. Threatening the president.
There came a point in July of 1997 when she not only threatened to expose the affair, as she referred to it. But also she at that time informed him that I knew all about it. So at that time it became dangerous for Monica and for me. This was something that absolutely could never see the light of day. And she never realized the implications of threatening a president or her behavior. And I did.

In my case, for instance, right after the Lewinsky story broke, she was heard directing her staff to get anything and everything on Linda Tripp. So the defamation of character and the absolute assurance that my credibility would be destroyed began right away. And it happens with any woman who is involved in any way, either with him in a physical relationship or an assault or anything that can endanger their political viability.

Seems people who cross the Clintons end up fearing for their lives.

N365

Walter Bishop wrote: »

Indeed it mightn't, it'd be bloody terrible. Tell us why you don't think he's a racist or a war monger, please.

I don't like Hillary Clinton either but why anyone would think that electing a bigoted ignoramus with (worst of all for the job he's going for) a VERY THIN SKIN to be President of the United States is a good idea.

I don't think he is racist because I never heard him saying anything racist. He hasn't started any wars that I know of.

gormdubhgorm

take everything wrote: »

I love this guy.
More and more, i'm finding myself hoping he becomes president.
The stuff he says goes against all my political views but still i 'd love to see him beat Hillary.

I'm reasoning first off that he doesn't mean any of the stuff he says (the wall etc). It's all just to get in.
And I actually do believe he gives a **** about America.
I also feel deep down he's a decent enough guy just playing the political system and having a fcuking great time. And he's hilarious.
Can't stump the trump videos on YouTube are brilliant BTW.

Just wanted to get an idea what ye think about The Donald.

Well I think Donald Trump has a lot of similar views to Muhammad Ali as regards sticking to your own kind and Isolationism. Like you I do not agree with a lot of what he says. But at least he has the corage and conviction to say what he thinks. I assume if he becomes President his advisors will mellow him. I am more afraid of the people who are sly and just tell me what they think I want to hear.

Foxtrol

wakka12 wrote: »

Mhm..I think people secretly love discussing him which just adds to it. Media report on what people are interested in!

I totally agree, the news shows know he draws in viewers so they discuss him. It is why he makes such a good reality TV star but terrible it’s a terrible trait for a President.

N365 wrote: »

I don't think he is racist because I never heard him saying anything racist. He hasn't started any wars that I know of.

Only this week he said a person couldn’t do their job because of where their family came from, quoting someone trying to support Trump – ‘that is a textbook definition of a racist comment’.

Foxtrol

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Well I think Donald Trump has a lot of similar views to Muhammad Ali as regards sticking to your own kind and Isolationism. Like you I do not agree with a lot of what he says. But at least he has the corage and conviction to say what he thinks. I assume if he becomes President his advisors will mellow him. I am more afraid of the people who are sly and just tell me what they think I want to hear.

He has zero courage, he is simply a con-man. He constantly changes his position on things, to go wherever he thinks the votes are!

When confronted about his flip flopping, he doubles down so hard the questioner is normally dumbfounded. Several times he has said he didn’t say something straight after they literally played a tape/video of him saying it.

Giving someone nuclear codes because you assume they will mellow out is possible the stupidest logic I’ve ever heard. He has shown zero self control, has incredibly thin skin, and holds grudges, how is that person going to suddenly mellow out?

N365

I'm genuinely not sure I understand what you're saying. What did Trump say that was racist?

N365

Foxtrol wrote: »

I totally agree, the news shows know he draws in viewers so they discuss him. It is why he makes such a good reality TV star but terrible it’s a terrible trait for a President.



Only this week he said a person couldn’t do their job because of where their family came from, quoting someone trying to support Trump – ‘that is a textbook definition of a racist comment’.

I'm genuinely not sure I understand what you're saying. What did Trump say that was racist?

InTheTrees

RobertKK wrote: »

Linda Tripp claims...

Linda Tripp. God there's a name I never thought I'd hear again. She was one of the worst players in that seamy scandal.

She claimed to be a confidant of monica lewinsky, secretly recorded their telephone conversations and gave them to the press.