Donald Trump

Letree

Anyone know where nodin is these days, he'd normally be all over threads like this

timthumbni

Obviously that fella hadn't watched many us prison movies before he made that effort. If he had, he may have had a rethink.

Hande hoche!

Wonder will they go any easier on him, given his state of mind?

Letree wrote: »

Anyone know where nodin is these days, he'd normally be all over threads like this

Think he rage quit. Made one or two appearances under different user names.

InTheTrees

Pretty amazing how Trump's campaign is failing badly right now even before they reach the convention.

Apparently his campaign has $1.3million in the bank. A paltry sum that wouldnt be enough for a senate race let alone a presidential bid.

Its getting increasing likely that republicans could easily lose their majority in congress because voters will react against the possibility of a trump presidency.

Skylinehead

Letree wrote: »

Anyone know where nodin is these days, he'd normally be all over threads like this

Mod: Don't speculate about users that can't respond please.

beach_walker

I think all Presidential candidates should be forced to play a game of Civilization 5 and the results made public.

Skylinehead

beach_walker wrote: »

I think all Presidential candidates should be forced to play a game of Civilization 5 and the results made public.

Trump would be Gandhi, the evil evil man.

Womb_Raider

Skylinehead wrote: »

Trump would be Gandhi, the evil evil man.

He'd nuke us all so.

Its dead Jim

Womb_Raider wrote: »

He'd nuke us all so.

Shouldn't have killed that scout in 1000BC if you didn't want to get nuked.

Billy86

Time for a complete and total shutdown on allowing British people into the US?

P.S. Only a few months to go now... no, not for the election!

Womb_Raider

400 years too late !

Walter Bishop

Trump is an ignoramus and isn't going to win in November, mostly because women and minorities hate him. He's way ahead in the low information racist category though, which is nice.

What would worry me is that Trump's attempt to gain the White House is seen by a smoother, more calculating bigot - he's shown that there's a market for cretinous pronouncements that appeal to people's basest fears and prejudices. Someone who packages it better may get further because of Trump's moronic charade of a campaign.

Foxtrol

InTheTrees wrote: »

Pretty amazing how Trump's campaign is failing badly right now even before they reach the convention.

Apparently his campaign has $1.3million in the bank. A paltry sum that wouldnt be enough for a senate race let alone a presidential bid.

Its getting increasing likely that republicans could easily lose their majority in congress because voters will react against the possibility of a trump presidency.

On top of that he only yesterday fired his campaign manager (his kids forced him to do it), has spent nothing in advertising in the battleground states (vs Clinton's $20m), and as of Friday had 30 paid staff who are supposed to cover the 50 states and 320 million population. His 'self-funding' went to a grand total of $45k for May and that doesnt take into account how much he's taken out of it in payments to his companies. He's trying to run an election on the cheap and it's showing.

Now he's brought in a former lobbyist to run his campaign. Remember when lobbyists were terrible and one of the things that were what made Washington so bad?

beach_walker

Foxtrol wrote: »

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I get what you're saying but I don't see the lack of spending as a bad thing per se. Let's not forget he utterly trounced every Republican candidate (who spent serious cash on attack ads and had the media and "establishment of the party" behind them) by spending f-all. Credit where credit is due.

May not work against Hillary of course but don't let your dislike of the man colour an impressive political run.

RobertKK

Foxtrol wrote: »

On top of that he only yesterday fired his campaign manager (his kids forced him to do it), has spent nothing in advertising in the battleground states (vs Clinton's $20m), and as of Friday had 30 paid staff who are supposed to cover the 50 states and 320 million population. His 'self-funding' went to a grand total of $45k for May and that doesnt take into account how much he's taken out of it in payments to his companies. He's trying to run an election on the cheap and it's showing.

Now he's brought in a former lobbyist to run his campaign. Remember when lobbyists were terrible and one of the things that were what made Washington so bad?

Yeah, Hillary needs to spend lots to win.

All her spending and the latest polls:
Hillary 47%
Trump 42%
Johnson ~10%

Foxtrol

beach_walker wrote: »

I get what you're saying but I don't see the lack of spending as a bad thing per se. Let's not forget he utterly trounced every Republican candidate (who spent serious cash on attack ads and had the media and "establishment of the party" behind them) by spending f-all. Credit where credit is due.

May not work against Hillary of course but don't let your dislike of the man colour an impressive political run.

Lets not try to re-write history or parrot what Trump says, he didnt 'utterly trounce' anyone. The other candidates also didnt have 'the media' behind them, Trump was the one who manipulated the media into getting free airtime (fair play to him but his short term focused tactics to use controversial comments to get this free airtime are now biting him in the ass).

I've repeatedly explained how his cheap plan worked for the Republican Primary but wont work in the general (there were too many mainstream candidates vs one, they not taking him seriously until it was too late vs focusing on just him, not being able to attack him as they may seem left of him vs being free to attack him, fitting into republican narrative vs against what a lot of Americans believe).

The run is impressive in some respects but an absolute ****show in others, that's why they're currently panicking and trying to drastically change things within their campaign.

Foxtrol

RobertKK wrote: »

Yeah, Hillary needs to spend lots to win.

All her spending and the latest polls:
Hillary 47%
Trump 42%
Johnson ~10%

Have a breakdown of the electoral college? You are aware that looking at overall polls for the general election is quite close to being pointless?

Spending in June wont win you an election or really translate in polls but that lack of any ad buying strategy, lack of cash balance, lack of fundraising, lack of self funding, ridiculously low number of full time staff, firing campaign manager shows a campaign that is struggling.

Walter Bishop

RobertKK wrote: »

Yeah, Hillary needs to spend lots to win.

All her spending and the latest polls:
Hillary 47%
Trump 42%
Johnson ~10%

If they were directly elected this might even matter but with the Electoral College system it means Clinton could be 100-150 college votes up, in a contest to 270.

Renegade Mechanic

Walter Bishop wrote: »

Trump is an ignoramus and isn't going to win in November, mostly because women and minorities hate him. He's way ahead in the low information racist category though, which is nice.

What would worry me is that Trump's attempt to gain the White House is seen by a smoother, more calculating bigot - he's shown that there's a market for cretinous pronouncements that appeal to people's basest fears and prejudices. Someone who packages it better may get further because of Trump's moronic charade of a campaign.

Hillary is worse. She just is. Like all presidential campaigns it's a coice of the shiniest turd.
Hillary is simply more dangerous.
Condoleezza Rice would be a better first female president than that witch.

Foxtrol

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Hillary is worse. She just is.

Donald, is that you?

Billy86

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Hillary is worse. She just is. Like all presidential campaigns it's a coice of the shiniest turd.
Hillary is simply more dangerous.
Condoleezza Rice would be a better first female president than that witch.

Why is Clinton 'dangerous' compared to Trump or Rice, out of interest?

Billy86

Foxtrol wrote: »

Donald, is that you?

Disgusting.

Renegade Mechanic

Foxtrol wrote: »

Donald, is that you?

Here.

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

List of people who died around the Clintons/ their Administration in the link.
https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/647826/388529.jpg

List of organisations she's spoken to and the prices paid. While she goes on about struggling and unfair wage gaps...
https://theintercept.com/wp-uploads/sites/1/2016/01/Screen-Shot-2016-01-08-at-12.09.55-PM.png
And that's just banks, there are plenty more institutions besides.
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2015/08/Bill%20Clinton%20Speeches%202013-2015_1.jpg
26 million from 2013 - 15.

Now lets look at the donors to her "foundation".
http://www.commonsenseevaluation.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Foreign-Country-Donations-To-The-Clinton-Foundation.jpg
Hundreds of millions raised - pocket change - from some of the worst human rights violators on the planet.

Just recently it was all but proven you "pay to play" on the Clinton Administration.
http://archive.is/zL8dO
Major donator placed in intelligence...


Ignoring the deaths and the scandals, the donors alone and their hatred of Trump is enough to make me like him. I don't care if he offends you or me - we don't matter. These billionaires however, they do...

Then we have the scandals/"hiccups" in no particular order.

The cattle futures fiddling.

Whitewater. - Throwing partners under the bus to save your skin 101. Granted they deserve it, but she should have followed them...

"Travelgate". - Staff fired to make way for cronies.

"Pardongate" - over 450 presidential pardons, one of whom had been convicted of racketeering and evading almost 50 million in taxes.

She was fired from the Watergate investigation over her dishonesty and ethics.

Her deputy chiefs ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.



"Filegate" - Accessing fbi files on known and "perceived" GOP enemies.

The Clinton Administrations use of the IRS to target everyone but liberal public policy organisations.

Being told to return almost 200,000 worth of **** they took from the Whitehouse - I mean that's just arrogantly disrespectful.


The tapes from her time as a lawyer.

"sniper fire"

"jogging around the wtc on 9/11"

"what difference at this point does it make"

Her and Obamas use of NATO to topple Libya.

There are plenty more...

Nixon erased what, 9 minutes of data? And had to resign as president. Hillary erased 30,000 emails and is running for it...


But yeah, Trump is by a massive margin the worse of the two. Definitely. Without a shadow of a doubt. Way more dangerous.

Try it all you want. It just doesn't matter. You simply will not come up with anything close to the amount of "dodge" around Trump.
He's an arsehole. He's offensive. At this point, that's a ringing endorsement..

Foxtrol

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Here.

Try it all you want. It just doesn't matter. You simply will not come up with anything close to the amount of "dodge" around Trump.
He's an arsehole. He's offensive. At this point, that's a ringing endorsement..

You could easily make a list of dodgy things that Trump has been involved in but that's not the point.

His lack of experience, temperament, disgusting comments, and radical policies simply make him a worse candidate.

RobertKK

Foxtrol wrote: »

Have a breakdown of the electoral college? You are aware that looking at overall polls for the general election is quite close to being pointless?

Spending in June wont win you an election or really translate in polls but that lack of any ad buying strategy, lack of cash balance, lack of fundraising, lack of self funding, ridiculously low number of full time staff, firing campaign manager shows a campaign that is struggling.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
For the latest polls

Pennsylvania
Clinton 42%
Trump 41%

Ohio
Clinton 40%
Trump 40%

Florida
Clinton 47%
Trump 39%

Michigan
Clinton 43%
Trump 39&

North Carolina
Clinton 38%
Trump 42%

Colorado
Clinton 37%
Trump 48%

New Hampshire
Clinton 44%
Trump 44%

Current electoral college numbers
Clinton 211
Trump 164
163 to play for, most of Clintons numbers come from two states - New York and California.

Trump can win enough of the battleground states to win the election. Ohio and Pennsylvania looking positive for Trump.

RobertKK

Foxtrol wrote: »

You could easily make a list of dodgy things that Trump has been involved in but that's not the point.

His lack of experience, temperament, disgusting comments, and radical policies simply make him a worse candidate.

Clinton's radical policies include wanting to bomb Syrian president Assad, which Obama has said he is proud he didn't do.
Clinton as the secretary of state basically did the bidding of Saudi Arabia in the middle east, Saudi Arabia who conveniently donated $25 million to the Clinton foundation. Saudi Arabia who have many radical policies.

Renegade Mechanic

Foxtrol wrote: »

You could easily make a list of dodgy things that Trump has been involved in but that's not the point.

His lack of experience, temperament, disgusting comments, and radical policies simply make him a worse candidate.

Ohhhhh words, so hurtful!!! Jesus mate. Let me tell you what's disgusting. Because you people have lost sight of the word's meaning, clearly.

Obama rubbing something under his eye to help him "cry" for the few kids killed in gun violence in the states. I don't recall him being that teary eyes over the considerably higher number of kiddies getting the good news from his drones...
That's disgusting.

A country - Saudi Arabia - being part of the UN human rights council, with a record so atrocious, they had to change the criteria for rankings, putting them above countries like Russia, Portugal, Latvia and others. When they were previously worse than Iraq. Under Saddam Hussein.
That's disgusting.

Funding campaigns across the middle east to depose regimes and foster chaos in the vacum.
Case in point, Egypt. The Muslim Brotherhood are "elected" and amidst the outcry and protest of the laws they were bringing in, the Egyptian military stepped in and ousted them.
Obama/Clinton response? Immediate freezing of all aid to Egypt. You'd imagine removing the Brotherhood from power would be welcomed...
That's disgusting.

Head of Nestlé genuinely believing that water is not a human right, and that corporations should own the rain.
That's disgusting.

"But they still didn't *SAY* anything mean or offensive whereas Trump DID".


That's the extent of your argument.

Walter Bishop

Saying 'Hillary is just worse' isn't exactly conclusive. All her bad stuff is out there already, whereas Trump is still generating gaffes at a rate of at least two a week, with five months to the election.

Foxtrol

RobertKK wrote: »

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
For the latest polls

Pennsylvania
Clinton 42%
Trump 41%

Ohio
Clinton 40%
Trump 40%

Florida
Clinton 47%
Trump 39%

Michigan
Clinton 43%
Trump 39&

North Carolina
Clinton 38%
Trump 42%

Colorado
Clinton 37%
Trump 48%

New Hampshire
Clinton 44%
Trump 44%

Current electoral college numbers
Clinton 211
Trump 164
163 to play for, most of Clintons numbers come from two states - New York and California.

Trump can win enough of the battleground states to win the election. Ohio and Pennsylvania looking positive for Trump.

Big populations mean big electoral votes, that's pretty much how the system is set up. I'm sure that'll be the next thing to whine about coming out of the Trump camp.

So Trump isnt polling ahead in any of the states where Obama won in 2012, where he crushed Romney.

Also, are you aware that even if Trump won both Ohio and PA, he wouldnt be anywhere close to winning the election?

Yes, Trump could win enough swing states but you have provided zero evidence to prove this.

Foxtrol

RobertKK wrote: »

Clinton's radical policies include wanting to bomb Syrian president Assad, which Obama has said he is proud he didn't do.
Clinton as the secretary of state basically did the bidding of Saudi Arabia in the middle east, Saudi Arabia who conveniently donated $25 million to the Clinton foundation. Saudi Arabia who have many radical policies.

Trump wants Saudi Arabia to have nukes FFS!

But yeah, the Clinton charity accepting money from the bad guys is way worse than giving the bad guys nukes... :rolleyes: