Donald Trump

Foxtrol

lawlolawl wrote: »

Did they publish anything about Obamas daughter flashing her arse on camera at Lollapalooza?

Nothing like what Bush's daughters got up to back in the day.

Foxtrol

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

On the people lying to pollsters. I have seen evidence of people doing the desperately unpopular thing in voting Tory and Leave and in both cases the polls before the election and the exit polls did not reflect the reality and both underestimated. Personally I think it was the fact that you could be associated with undesirable traits (austerity and favouring the rich in voting tory and racism and ignorance in voting Leave). I don't see anything like that happen in the other way around.

But he's not desperately unpopular everywhere, he has a huge support amongst poorly educated whites and white men. If you've voted Republican all your life and proudly, you're likely not going to say anything else to a pollster. You just might not decide to get in line on polling day.

Just wait until he promises jobs and conservative values. You'll start hearing Latino fellas saying 'I don't agree with everything he says but he's got a proven track record as a great businessman and he's going to bring the jobs back to America. And he's anti abortion'. He'll probably let Mike Pence deliver the religious speeches.

He wants to set up a squad to deport 11 million illegals, most of them will be Hispanic. Their communities are very close, with many having family members, friends, neighbors who are illegal. The authoritarian tough man charade won't fly with them either, given the fact that many of their families arrived in America fleeing similar characters.

He'll get the vote from the wealthy section of their communities but I doubt little else.

El_Duderino 09

InTheTrees wrote:

If the election were held today he would most likely lose in a landslide.

It isn't today though. It's in 3 months. He just got the nomination and hasn't even started the famous 'pivot to the centre'.

InTheTrees wrote:

He has an awful organisation. Up until the conventions he hadnt even hired staff in a lot of states. And since the conventions he doesnt seem to know what he's doing. He spent about four days campaigning in solidly blue states which is just wasted time. And now he's going after military vets which is about the one demographic group that he actually was getting some support from.

With the tarring organisation he's still within single digits of hillary who has been preparing for this race for decades.

InTheTrees wrote:

So you think trump has been holding off on promising jobs and conservative values?

He has barely mentioned conservative values. I assume that's the VP's job.

InTheTrees wrote:

And he's suddenly going to announce "jobs" and the minorities will come flocking to him?

Yeah exactly. He will tell the most blatant lies about bullying China and making the companies come back to America. Some of the people who are poor and desperately want that to be true, will believe it.

Hillary wouldn't get away with saying the same stuff because she is held to a completely different standard. She's a politician, he's an entertainer.

InTheTrees wrote:

They want to ban abortion. Ban gay marriage.

Trump ants to abolish the minimum wage. Trump is against Unions. he's against immigration.

They want to privatize old age pensions. They want to abolish healthcare for the poor.

You know all this stuff but the voters don't. His target audience is poor and uneducated people. And what's more is that he's appealing to people who WANT to believe his nonsense.

Dont have a job? It's all the Mexicans fault! Build a wall and deport them!

Mexican? I'll bring the jobs back and ban abortion!

Afraid of black lads and Muslim terrorists? I'll bring back 'law and order' and ban Muslims (whatever that means).

American? I'll show Isis and Putin and China, who's the boss and I'll make America great again.

None of it has to make sense as a whole. It just needs to appeal in isolation. I don't know if it will been ugh to win but you can't just dismiss it because he's talking rubbish.

InTheTrees

Foxtrol wrote: »

He'll get the vote from the wealthy section of their communities but I doubt little else.

Yes. Exactly. Even the wealthy Hispanics were a bit put off by him insulting that Ohio judge.

Mitt Romney lost in a landslide. He had 16% hispanic support. Trump has about 5%.

And he's not doing anything at all to try and get more support.

Pro Hoc Vice

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It isn't today though. It's in 3 months. He just got the nomination and hasn't even started the famous 'pivot to the centre'.



With the tarring organisation he's still within single digits of hillary who has been preparing for this race for decades.



He has barely mentioned conservative values. I assume that's the VP's job.



Yeah exactly. He will tell the most blatant lies about bullying China and making the companies come back to America. Some of the people who are poor and desperately want that to be true, will believe it.

Hillary wouldn't get away with saying the same stuff because she is held to a completely different standard. She's a politician, he's an entertainer.


You know all this stuff but the voters don't. His target audience is poor and uneducated people. And what's more is that he's appealing to people who WANT to believe his nonsense.

Dont have a job? It's all the Mexicans fault! Build a wall and deport them!

Mexican? I'll bring the jobs back and ban abortion!

Afraid of black lads and Muslim terrorists? I'll bring back 'law and order' and ban Muslims (whatever that means).

American? I'll show Isis and Putin and China, who's the boss and I'll make America great again.

None of it has to make sense as a whole. It just needs to appeal in isolation. I don't know if it will been ugh to win but you can't just dismiss it because he's talking rubbish.

To win the nomination he only needed some 10 million people voting for him, as did Hilary. The election is a very different beast, some 120 million based on past elections will vote, to get 60 plus million people to vote for him will be difficult not impossible if he changes the narrative but if you exclude whole sections of society then it will be a very difficult ask. There just aren't 60 plus million poor uneducated white men.

El_Duderino 09

InTheTrees wrote:

And he doesnt need to. He could have completely ignored the fathers speech and let it go and it would have been forgotten. Instead he goes after the guys wife?? How completely classless is that? And he's still at it.

I think your underestimating the deep distrust of Muslims in the US. With that said, hillary seems to be doing better from the muslin military guy. Trump gambled on that and it looks like it didn't work out. Win some, lose some.

Foxtrol wrote:

He wants to set up a squad to deport 11 million illegals, most of them will be Hispanic. Their communities are very close, with many having family members, friends, neighbors who are illegal. The authoritarian tough man charade won't fly with them either, given the fact that many of their families arrived in America fleeing similar characters.

I bet that will be forgotten if he makes the promises they want to hear. He doesn't need to win them all. He does need a significant portion of them though. If he's only 5-8% behind with 5% Latino and almost 0 black voters, then there's loads of room to improve. Jobs and religion will win more Latinos than you would expect.

If my racial stereotypes are correct, then Latin America loves the machismo tough guy! I don't know how that works out in elections though.

InTheTrees

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

You know all this stuff but the voters don't. His target audience is poor and uneducated people. And what's more is that he's appealing to people who WANT to believe his nonsense.

Sure he has the support of poor uneducated white men.

But he cant win with that.

Although they also tend to be veterans so expect a dip in the next week or so.

InTheTrees

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I bet that will be forgotten if he makes the promises they want to hear. He doesn't need to win them all. He does need a significant portion of them though.

He will also be taking away healthcare from over fourteen million poor people. You think they'll all forget about that? Thats pretty easy to remember because the minimum wage jobs wont come with health insurance.

Rjd2

InTheTrees wrote: »

Trump paying any attention to the dead soldiers parents was f'ing stupid.

Remember in the USA there's over twenty million military veterans. twenty million. And they have family's too. And they also tend to be in the red or swing states and being military they tend to vote conservative. Virginia has the highest concentration where its something like 1 in 10 people.

So he's basically pissing on a demographic group that he really really needs support from.

And he doesnt need to. He could have completely ignored the fathers speech and let it go and it would have been forgotten. Instead he goes after the guys wife?? How completely classless is that? And he's still at it.

Meanwhile he's campaigning in New York and Maine. Solidly blue states he doesnt stand a chance of winning. And he's ignoring the swing states. Baffling.

Save

Great post.

As you said it was just so easy to avoid this all together, and by the time you typed that post, it would have been forgotten about now.

Its obviously heartless, but its incredibly stupid, he could still somewhat salvage some pride with an apology but obviously he won't do that.:eek:

We seen the reaction of republicans like Kasich, Jeb and Mc Cain, the Trump hardcore may not want to admit it, but he desperately needs those people on his side if he wants to win this election.

Foxtrol

InTheTrees wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I think your underestimating the deep distrust of Muslims in the US. With that said, hillary seems to be doing better from the muslin military guy. Trump gambled on that and it looks like it didn't work out. Win some, lose some.


I bet that will be forgotten if he makes the promises they want to hear. He doesn't need to win them all. He does need a significant portion of them though. If he's only 5-8% behind with 5% Latino and almost 0 black voters, then there's loads of room to improve. Jobs and religion will win more Latinos than you would expect.

If my racial stereotypes are correct, then Latin America loves the machismo tough guy! I don't know how that works out in elections though.

He will also be taking away healthcare from over fourteen million poor people. You think they'll all forget about that? Thats pretty easy to remember because the minimum wage jobs wont come with health insurance.

I don't think deportation squads are easily forgotten, nor his claims a Hispanic Judge couldnt be fair because of his race, nor the claims that mexicans entering the country are bad people/rapists, nor how his convention devoted so much to demonising illegal immigrants.

Top it off by not only removing healthcare but depending on how Trump is feeling on a given day he wants to remove the minimum wage, leave it as it is, or increase it only marginally when compared to what the democrats are promising.

Foxtrol

Trump managed another first today, he managed to be the first candidate since this poll started to show a net negative (-15%) response to his convention.

36% of people who watched said they were more likely to vote for him after it while 51% stated that it would make them less likely.

He's also started to set the ground work to both chicken out of the debates and started making excuses in case he loses in November. Not a good few days for the orange lad.

InTheTrees

Mr and Mrs Kahn are on tv again this evening. Criticizing the donald some more.

It'll be fun to see if trump is able to ignore it or will he feel the need to attack them some more.

Wibbs

InTheTrees wrote: »

Trump paying any attention to the dead soldiers parents was f'ing stupid.

=1. whatever hope he had I think that's his biggest screwup yet.

El_Duderino 09

InTheTrees wrote:

He will also be taking away healthcare from over fourteen million poor people. You think they'll all forget about that? Thats pretty easy to remember because the minimum wage jobs wont come with health insurance.

You know that but lots of Americans see health care as dangerous encroachment of socialism. Enen the poor who it helps the most.

Rjd2 wrote:

We seen the reaction of republicans like Kasich, Jeb and Mc Cain, the Trump hardcore may not want to admit it, but he desperately needs those people on his side if he wants to win this election.

A good portion of his appeal so far has been his rejection of and by the establishment.

Pro Hoc Vice wrote:

To win the nomination he only needed some 10 million people voting for him, as did Hilary. The election is a very different beast, some 120 million based on past elections will vote, to get 60 plus million people to vote for him will be difficult not impossible if he changes the narrative but if you exclude whole sections of society then it will be a very difficult ask. There just aren't 60 plus million poor uneducated white men.

I hope you're right.

InTheTrees wrote:

He will also be taking away healthcare from over fourteen million poor people. You think they'll all forget about that? Thats pretty easy to remember because the minimum wage jobs wont come with health insurance.

Back to the way the country used to be you mean? Back when it was great. It firs his narrative.

Foxtrol wrote:

I don't think deportation squads are easily forgotten, nor his claims a Hispanic Judge couldnt be fair because of his race, nor the claims that mexicans entering the country are bad people/rapists, nor how his convention devoted so much to demonising illegal immigrants.

It's so outlandish that I think it could be easily forgotten or passed off as bluster.

If Brexit is anything to go by, and I think it is, then you could have 10 reasons why he's an idiot who would be terrible at running the country. But 1 good reason to vote for him will win more votes that any reasonable person would expect. In the UK a lot of people voted 'leave' because 'they took our jobs' and Muslim immigrants. The fact that most Muslim immigrants are not from the EU was irrelevant.

The Guardian printed 1000s of articles with reasons to remain. Most leave voters never read the news, let alone the guardian.

I hope he doesn't win but I think his power to manipulate and tell people what they want to hear is being underestimated.

SEPT 23 1989

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Has anyone seen the New York Post today, hopefully then don't do the same with Hillary...
NSFW I think, not sure if boobs are still banned on the new liberal boards. http://nypost.com/2016/08/01/melania-trumps-girl-on-girl-photos-from-racy-shoot-revealed/

I'd much prefer to see Melina for the next few years rather than Bill and Hillarys ugly mugs.

they think this will do damage to his campaign?

quite the opposite i would have thought

Pro Hoc Vice

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

they think this will do damage to his campaign?

quite the opposite i would have thought

One of the strongest lobbies in the Republican Party is the Christian Right don't think many of them will like it.

Foxtrol

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It's so outlandish that I think it could be easily forgotten or passed off as bluster.

If Brexit is anything to go by, and I think it is, then you could have 10 reasons why he's an idiot who would be terrible at running the country. But 1 good reason to vote for him will win more votes that any reasonable person would expect. In the UK a lot of people voted 'leave' because 'they took our jobs' and Muslim immigrants. The fact that most Muslim immigrants are not from the EU was irrelevant.

The Guardian printed 1000s of articles with reasons to remain. Most leave voters never read the news, let alone the guardian.

I hope he doesn't win but I think his power to manipulate and tell people what they want to hear is being underestimated.

Your Brexit comparison is totally correct when it comes to uneducated white population and we’re already seeing them being his strongest base.

However, it makes zero sense when you’re talking about Hispanic communities, as taking on your analogy I doubt many EU immigrants, or voters with parents who immigrated to the UK from the EU, voted for a Brexit.

Trump could definitely win but it’s not looking that way at the minute. The impact of him attacking the Khan family hasn’t even been seen in the polls yet and he’s already falling back, with notoriously red states becoming potential losses (now tied in Georgia, which hasn’t voted democrat in 24 years). His most likely path to victory is Clinton having a meltdown.

Foxtrol

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

One of the strongest lobbies in the Republican Party is the Christian Right don't think many of them will like it.

It’ll hurt with a few voters but they’re incredibly hypocritical and generally think Hillary is the anti-christ so it won’t have a big impact.

Imagine if Hillary appeared on stage to accept the nomination with 5 kids from 3 different men, they’d be up in arms.

El_Duderino 09

Foxtrol wrote:

However, it makes zero sense when you’re talking about Hispanic communities, as taking on your analogy I doubt many EU immigrants, or voters with parents who immigrated to the UK from the EU, voted for a Brexit.

I generally agree but I wonder about non EU immigrants in the UK. Commonwealth immigrants might well see EU immigrants as competition. It would be ironic if whites were voting against the Asians and the Asians were voting against the Polskis. This is just speculation though

Foxtrol wrote:

Trump could definitely win but it’s not looking that way at the minute. The impact of him attacking the Khan family hasn’t even been seen in the polls yet and he’s already falling back, with notoriously red states becoming potential losses (now tied in Georgia, which hasn’t voted democrat in 24 years). His most likely path to victory is Clinton having a meltdown.

Well see how he does in the polls. Almost none of the things he has said so far has really stuck to him. By the sound of it this issue has struck a cord with people. Lets hope.

PopePalpatine

If it means anything, a Trump win has drifted from 15/8 to 9/4 in the past day or two. I'd say the next set of polls from after his outburst against the Khans will probably see him drop another few percentage points.

Fleawuss

I see questions about Trump's mental health are surfacing even among Repiblicans. "Unhinged" seems the most charitable description. Personally I think he's barking.

biko

With everyone else out of the race it seems we're left between a rock and a hard place.
I'd say neither candidate is particularly good, but out of the two Hillary is better.

Winterlong

biko wrote: »

With everyone else out of the race it seems we're left between a rock and a hard place.
I'd say neither candidate is particularly good, but out of the two Hillary is better.

The polls are saying something similar, people intending to vote for one or the other, not to support them, but to stop the other getting elected.

CNN wrote:

Further, a majority of Clinton's backers now say their vote is more to show support for her than to oppose Trump, a sharp shift since early May. Back then, 48% said their vote was one of support for the former secretary of state, 58% say so now. While Trump also improved his numbers on that metric, his voters are more evenly divided, with 47% saying they're backing him to show support and 50% saying it's more to oppose Clinton.

Foxtrol

So this morning Trump joked about how he always wanted a purple heart and just kicked a crying baby out of a campaign rally (right after sarcastically saying that he liked babies and that they could stay).

I’m beginning to start to agree with the people who say that he doesn’t actually want to win the election. I’d say his dream is to lose by half a percent or a few delegates and can spend the rest of his life saying how he was the true winner while never having to do the work as president.

Rumours are that he’ll try to open up a conservative station to rival Fox and/or start his own party.

My name is URL

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/290093-trump-wind-power-kills-all-your-birds

And honestly, it’s not working so good. I know a lot about solar. I love solar. But the payback is what, 18 years? Oh great, let me do it. Eighteen years,” he said, turning to wind power. “The wind kills all your birds. All your birds, killed.

The man is a retard

A Little Pony

Foxtrol wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Clinton only betrayed the men of Benghazi but whatever.

After 8 investigations, nearly all led by Republicans, they came up with nothing against her.

To put that in contrast, 66 people died in embassy attacks during George W. Bush's time in the Whitehouse and there were zero investigations.

Nice job ignoring my points regarding Pence voting for the Iraq War and Trump first using of similar 'manipulation' that you were having a cry about.

As you have the same skills at ignoring questions as your small handed candidate so I wont be responding again.

The FBI let her off on the emails. A normal person would have went down and ended up in prison. Not crooked Hillary though.

My name is URL

A Little Pony wrote: »

The FBI let her off on the emails. A normal person would have went down and ended up in prison. Not crooked Hillary though.

How? What laws were broken?

tomwaterford

Fleawuss wrote: »

I see questions about Trump's mental health are surfacing even among Repiblicans. "Unhinged" seems the most charitable description. Personally I think he's barking.

Hes not unhinged/anything wrong with his mental health

He's just over indulged and has the money to say more or less what he wants without fear of repercussions as he can afford any lawsuit


Like a giant overgrown version of a spoilt 8 year old.....that election was there for them to lose

(Clinton seriously carries bad baggage...wars,recession etc)




There's not enough stupid people in America to see him over the line....especially if he alienates minoritys (surly???)

Rjd2

My name is URL wrote: »

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/290093-trump-wind-power-kills-all-your-birds



The man is a retard

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/02/eric-trump-donald-ivanka-sexual-harassment


FFS.

Who is advising these people?

El_Duderino 09

Rjd2 wrote:

Who is advising these people?

He's doing the same 'OK' sign with his right hand that Donald does. Is so unnatural when donald does it so is it coached or did he just pick up that mannerism from the old man?