Donald Trump

LorMal

Just watching the Youtube live link. This guy currently talking - what a moronic speech. Its like a nazi rally but with bad clothes.

captbarnacles

Hilary hasn't even defined her policies yet. Imo she feels she has no need to as Trump will combust.

Berserker

ToddyDoody wrote: »

He's up live on youtube soon in daytona... the live comments are three a second.

The volume of live comments is incredible. Impossible to follow them. Zero substance but he throws in great one liners, "x is taking your jobs", "Hillary wants to increase taxes, I want to cut time, big time" etc, "Hillary lied soooo much and the press won't tell you because they are dishonest"

Beechwoodspark

Those tiny little hands...he's a commie. For sure. Believe me...believe me

El_Duderino 09

Watching him talk about the ransom for hostages in Iran. He's an amazing speaker. It's a stream of consciousness without a single complicated idea. It amounts to almost nothing but it's easy to digest. And he keeps repeating these really simple ideas as if they are important.

He's selling the idea that the people listening to him are smart enough to understand.

Beechwoodspark

Believe me. Believe me. Then the mid distance stare to look serious

arch_stanton

I've never seem him speak live like this. It's all over the place, somewhere between Abe Simpson and a drunk raving in a bar.

Imagine being a tv news researcher having to listen to this all day every day

Berserker

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

He's an amazing speaker. It's a stream of consciousness without a single complicated idea. It amounts to almost nothing but it's easy to digest. And he keeps repeating these really simple ideas as if they are important.

I would love to find out who coached him. It's brilliant, simple but brilliant. It's like listening to some drunk at a bar but they have managed to mould it something that he can spread to the masses. It's complete tosh when you break it down but it sounds like he has a clear message.

arch_stanton

Berserker wrote: »

I would love to find out who coached him. It's brilliant, simple but brilliant.

I really don't see the brilliance. It's random waffling, boasting about his money, complaining about the press and calling Hillary a crook. It's just that he isn't capable of anything else. He can't stand up and speak seriously about social issues, economics, foreign policy or even just empty political eloquence. This stream of consciousness, meaningless drivel is all he can manage

Berserker

arch_stanton wrote: »

He can't stand up and speak seriously about social issues, economics, foreign policy or even just empty political eloquence.

Of course he can't. We know that. Standing on that platform speaking seriously about social issues and the like is not going to attract a large crowd and it isn't going to capture their minds. He'd bore the pants off people if he did that and they'd struggle to remember what he was talking about by the time they got to the car park. Slogans like "crooked Hillary" etc are so catchy. The people at that rally and those watching online will remember them. He knows his audience and their limitations.

ebbsy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There just has to be a massive story, or many of them, that the Democrats are saving to bring down Trump nearer the election. This is a guy who has gone bankrupt four times owing billions of dollars. You don't get to do that or become as rich as he is without loads and loads of skeletons and human misery created in your wake.


The Democrats are saving this for the dirtiest US presidential election of all. Watch this space.

The Democrats will need to have blood all over their hands in the debates. Because Trump won't be holding back.

Annasopra

abff wrote: »

It's beyond farce at this stage. Unfortunately, all of us are going to have to live with the consequences if that g*bsh*te gets elected. I know it seems beyond belief that this could happen, but Brexit has proved that there is no limit to how stupid people can be when they are told lies that they want to hear.

I dont think it's beyond belief at all

I think people like Trump similar to Brexit because it's anti establishment. And the more the Dems and Republicans throw at him the more people will do to elect him.

It's a hearts and minds thing. You need to capture both. Brexit and Trump capture the hearts part because they are speaking to disaffected voters who feel they have nothing left to lose.

Foxtrol

ebbsy wrote: »

The Democrats will need to have blood all over their hands in the debates. Because Trump won't be holding back.

He'll destroy himself in the debates, that's why he's already talking about backing out of them

scamalert

loved the link to his greatest sacrifices,its like ive made huge sacrifices,oh yeah ,created thousands of jobs,thousands.Wonder do people in his sweat shops or casinos think the same.

As for debates anyone in political interest is it mandatory to attempt one ?

since as i see it now,trump will use same crap he was spreading -leaks,weapons,iran,syria,UAE, how hillary was part of each,thus it will be like trying to speak with someone in drunken club at 2am in the morning.So in smart way youd just leave such person speak to himself,and just hold your own debate on answering actual questions and future policies,the sort where you cant get away with just single quote or answer but full plan in place.Thus whatever he blabs about wouldn't matter if he used same crap that he used for last 9 months.Since whoever has to cover his speeches daily id imagine would be on brink blowing their brains off if any IQ left.

Foxtrol

arch_stanton wrote: »

I really don't see the brilliance. It's random waffling, boasting about his money, complaining about the press and calling Hillary a crook. It's just that he isn't capable of anything else. He can't stand up and speak seriously about social issues, economics, foreign policy or even just empty political eloquence. This stream of consciousness, meaningless drivel is all he can manage

It’s why he’s polling at the worst levels a Republican candidate has seen amongst white college educated voters (that’s not even going into how bad it is amongst non-white college voters, where he's barely registering)

El_Duderino 09

Berserker wrote:

Of course he can't. We know that. Standing on that platform speaking seriously about social issues and the like is not going to attract a large crowd and it isn't going to capture their minds. He'd bore the pants off people if he did that and they'd struggle to remember what he was talking about by the time they got to the car park. Slogans like "crooked Hillary" etc are so catchy. The people at that rally and those watching online will remember them. He knows his audience and their limitations.

And pandering to the crowd every few minutes to make them feel clever for coming to the rally. It's like when a singer says 'incert city name here is the fest crowd ever!'

ebbsy wrote:

The Democrats will need to have blood all over their hands in the debates. Because Trump won't be holding back.

Can they though? If she starts throwing pooh with him then he's bound to be better at it than Hillary. The best option is probably to soak up the insults and look presidential and hit him with a few zingers without lowering the tone too much.

Better her than me.

PopePalpatine

Berserker wrote: »

I would love to find out who coached him. It's brilliant, simple but brilliant. It's like listening to some drunk at a bar but they have managed to mould it something that he can spread to the masses. It's complete tosh when you break it down but it sounds like he has a clear message.

There's a style of debating called a "Gish gallop" (named after Duane Gish, a once-prominent creationist, so it's appropriate for a Republican :pac:), wherein the person using it just spouts bullsh*t with the occasional bit of truth.

LorMal

Foxtrol wrote: »

It’s why he’s polling at the worst levels a Republican candidate has seen amongst white college educated voters (that’s not even going into how bad it is amongst non-white college voters, where he's barely registering)

Problem is - they probably won't count. It looks like it's Florida, Penneslyvania and Ohio - he wins the white vote there, he wins the race.

El_Duderino 09

Foxtrol wrote:

He'll destroy himself in the debates, that's why he's already talking about backing out of them

He's not backing out if them at all, it's the biggest public platform of his life! It fits his narrative that the system is rigged blah blah media blah crooked hillary blah.

Beechwoodspark

There's talk of an intervention in his campaign by republicans. And same article also hinted that they will try and get him off the ticket as he's causing so much damage to the gop. Can't see it happening. The Donald isn't gonna take the exit ramp

Foxtrol

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

He's not backing out if them at all, it's the biggest public platform of his life! It fits his narrative that the system is rigged blah blah media blah crooked hillary blah.

He knows he’ll be made a fool of as he wont get away with his one liners in a one on one debate. His main struggles are when he is pressed on substance or when people set off his temper, both of which will happen during the debates.

Did you not see last week how he was kicking up a fuss about the dates, despite the dates being set before the primaries even began? He’s setting the groundwork to skip out on them.

Samaris

Also setting up for eventual loss by saying that he reckons the elections will be rigged.

The Donald couldn't lose, ofc. It would have to be a devious tactic to ruin him.

Also, the polls showing him down are phony.

PopePalpatine

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

There's talk of an intervention in his campaign by republicans. And same article also hinted that they will try and get him off the ticket as he's causing so much damage to the gop. Can't see it happening. The Donald isn't gonna take the exit ramp

That depends, when is the verdict in the Trump University fraud trial due? :pac:

The_Valeyard

PopePalpatine wrote: »

That depends, when is the verdict in the Trump University fraud trial due? :pac:

Ha!

id forgotten about that.

Arghus

What worries me is that for all the complete incoherent nonsense he spouts, insults he throws around, and just plain basic unbecoming behaviour for someone running for President of The United States the media is there all the time to amplify every stupid thing he has to say. Which all helps to ensure him nonstop top billing on every election related piece of news coverage, and if there's one thing his campaign has thrived on from the very beginning it's that sweet, sweet oxygen of publicity.

People banging on about the left wing press hatin' on The Donald aren't seeing the bigger picture. Forget about left vs right, or attitudes from the media towards him. The simple fact is: That the press and Trump need each other., even love each other. And that makes me very worried.

By now, everything he says is minutely parsed and sifted through for every molecule of crassness or stupidity, and then collectively tut-tutted over by the media - and it seems to do him no harm! Most political candidates could not have survived even one of the verbal gaffes he has made, but Trump, unbelievably, is still there. I don't think outrage is going to stop him, and I really worry that non-stop Trump here, there and everywhere might actually give him some sort of momentum.

I think it's too dismissive and self serving to put his appeal down to base ignorance and stupidity: he's tapping into some deep and real dissaffection from people. And if someone who is as clearly weird, obnoxious and unlikable as Trump is can do it so successfully- then it really shouldn't be as easily ignored.

Rjd2

Foxtrol wrote: »

He knows he’ll be made a fool of as he wont get away with his one liners in a one on one debate. His main struggles are when he is pressed on substance or when people set off his temper, both of which will happen during the debates.

Did you not see last week how he was kicking up a fuss about the dates, despite the dates being set before the primaries even began? He’s setting the groundwork to skip out on them.

The problem for Trump is if he can't drag Hilary down to his level of childish name calling , he will struggle hugely because Hilary will turn the debate into an in-depth discussion about issues and policies and that would be a disaster for Trump.

Hilary for all her sins is solid when it comes to debating and has thick skin, so Trump's insults and taunts won't annoy her whatsoever.

Trump might have had a better chance against Bernie who is more volatile and easier to wind up.

He will do one debate, and I suspect skip the next two, that is why he is talking bollocks about the media as you say laying the groundwork to skip the last two.

MadYaker

I think the wheels are going to come off this real soon unless someone on Trumps team can reign him in a bit. He's taking the "all publicity is good publicity" to it's absolute breaking point. It's obvious that there are a sizeable chunk of people who will vote for him even as he continues to say outrageous things, they don't care too much about the racism or the sexism or the homophobia, but when he starts insulting a dead veteran and his family thats going to piss off a lot of his core supporters, ie blue collar republicans to whom the military is sacrosanct.

Also it's pretty obvious that almost none of the leading figures in the GOP really support him, even though they may have endorsed him. He has refused to endorse Paul Ryan and John McCain in their primary campaigns, unheard of in any previous election and a position which conflicts with the position of Trumps own running mate. Newt Gingrich has essentially said he's unfit to hold the office and some elected republicans have even said they'll vote for Hillary. From the outside it looks the GOP hierarchy have essentially been pitted against their own voters (and Trump) and the party as a whole is now tearing itself apart. If Trump loses the election I can see big losses for the GOP in the House and the Senate which will make things easier for Hillary I suppose but there'll have to be some serious reconstruction done in the GOP if they want to have a shot in 2020. I feel sorry for the American voters to be honest. Neither candidate is a particularily appetizing choice and the 2 part system is so so broken at this stage it really only serves the elected politicians and the billionaires who have enough money to pull their strings.

El_Duderino 09

Foxtrol wrote:

Did you not see last week how he was kicking up a fuss about the dates, despite the dates being set before the primaries even began? He’s setting the groundwork to skip out on them.

He was kicking up a fuss to draw a bit of attention to that and away from whatever he didn't want the attention to focus on. Simple as that. He craves the spotlight and wouldn't miss those debates for the world.

Rjd2 wrote:

The problem for Trump is if he can't drag Hilary down to his level of childish name calling , he will struggle hugely because Hilary will turn the debate into an in-depth discussion about issues and policies and that would be a disaster for Trump.

That's missing the point that he has gotten this far without a single good or viable policy. He's an entertainer and she's a politician. Politics is boring compare to the guff he'll be talking about in the debate.

Rjd2 wrote:

Hilary for all her sins is solid when it comes to debating and has thick skin, so Trump's insults and taunts won't annoy her whatsoever.

The premise for whining about the dates is that Hillary is such a poor debater that the debates were scheduled to clash with football games. The idea is that she wants to limit the viewership. She doesn't do well at speaking. You probably say how magnetic Bill Clinton was at the convention speech. I say that and thought 'jesus, this is what it takes to win an election. No wonder trump us hanging in there.'

Rjd2 wrote:

He will do one debate, and I suspect skip the next two, that is why he is talking bollocks about the media as you say laying the groundwork to skip the last two.

I disagree. He will do a few things.
1 is to dance around her and entertain the crowd.
The other is to 'show a different side to himself' using a measured tone at times, saying things nobody has ever heard before like his struggles during X time in his life,
3 is to talk about a few actual viable policies.

The media will say he won at least one if he debates.

Pro Hoc Vice

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

Fox News polling in 4 way race has Clinton +9% the average all polling data is Clinton ahead by 5.1%

Las GE Obama was ahead average .7% and won by about 3%

rjpf1980

Arghus wrote: »

What worries me is that for all the complete incoherent nonsense he spouts, insults he throws around, and just plain basic unbecoming behaviour for someone running for President of The United States the media is there all the time to amplify every stupid thing he has to say. Which all helps to ensure him nonstop top billing on every election related piece of news coverage, and if there's one thing his campaign has thrived on from the very beginning it's that sweet, sweet oxygen of publicity.

People banging on about the left wing press hatin' on The Donald aren't seeing the bigger picture. Forget about left vs right, or attitudes from the media towards him. The simple fact is: That the press and Trump need each other., even love each other. And that makes me very worried.

By now, everything he says is minutely parsed and sifted through for every molecule of crassness or stupidity, and then collectively tut-tutted over by the media - and it seems to do him no harm! Most political candidates could not have survived even one of the verbal gaffes he has made, but Trump, unbelievably, is still there. I don't think outrage is going to stop him, and I really worry that non-stop Trump here, there and everywhere might actually give him some sort of momentum.

I think it's too dismissive and self serving to put his appeal down to base ignorance and stupidity: he's tapping into some deep and real dissaffection from people. And if someone who is as clearly weird, obnoxious and unlikable as Trump is can do it so successfully- then it really shouldn't be as easily ignored.

Basically he is the American Gerry Adams.