Donald Trump

A Little Pony

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

K-9 wrote:

People said he'll move more to the centre when he is selected.

Be grand they said.

I'll hold my hands up and said I was one of those people. I still think he's going to concentrate on the economy and make a bunch of promises about getting people back working which will cause the gap among Hispanics and Blacks.

My last prediction was shyte but I think the debates will see him close the gap in the polls.

The bottom line is that he's diagnosable as a sociopath with narcissistic characteristics, probably a personality disorder and possibly a nod towards affective disorder. It would take a bit of working out to parse out the actual categories but he shouldn't be anywhere near political office.

He has absolutely zero loyalty to the truth. How much you like or dislike Hillary Clinton has nothing to do with it. He should get zero votes.

Why should he get zero votes?

It does make me laugh when I see people say "Oh he is so dangerous" and then support a woman who has been involved in top rank American politics for 30 years and is part of a family[font=arial, sans-serif] [/font][font=arial, sans-serif]dynasty[/font] (which should frankly be outlawed) which has been responsible for thousands of dead people and people just ignore it.

The woman is one of the biggest crooks in politics ever. She can't ever tell the truth. As fake as they come and absolutely desperate for power.

Billy86

A Little Pony wrote: »

The woman is one of the biggest crooks in politics ever. She can't ever tell the truth. As fake as they come and absolutely desperate for power.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

El_Duderino 09

A Little Pony wrote:

Why should he get zero votes?

Because whataboutery aside...

A Little Pony wrote:

It does make me laugh when I see people say "Oh he is so dangerous" and then support a woman who has been involved in top rank American politics for 30 years and is part of a family dynasty (which should frankly be outlawed) which has been responsible for thousands of dead people and people just ignore it.

The woman is one of the biggest crooks in politics ever. She can't ever tell the truth. As fake as they come and absolutely desperate for power.

Nothing..

Foxtrol

A Little Pony wrote: »

Why should he get zero votes?

It does make me laugh when I see people say "Oh he is so dangerous" and then support a woman who has been involved in top rank American politics for 30 years and is part of a family[font=arial, sans-serif] [/font][font=arial, sans-serif]dynasty[/font] (which should frankly be outlawed) which has been responsible for thousands of dead people and people just ignore it.

The woman is one of the biggest crooks in politics ever. She can't ever tell the truth. As fake as they come and absolutely desperate for power.

It’s been proved that Trump lies more than Clinton on the campaign trail.

Point to me a US President or Secretary of State in the last 20 years who hasn’t been involved in deaths of thousands? It's part of the gig due to US foreign policy that cannot be changed overnight.

Trump has failed consistently in business, why do you think he’ll suddenly not make poor decisions as president?

El_Duderino 09

A Little Pony wrote:

Why should he get zero votes?

The actual answer is as above. He's diagnosable as a sociopath. That's fine in business but not as leader of a country. You don't have to like Clinton. Trump is actually diagnosable. It's not even nearly similar. If you dont like Clinton, fine. If you dont like trump, you should have argued for one or the other republicans.

Now, its a run off between Clinton and a diagnosable sociopath. Even if you hate Clinton the person, it's an easy choice because the other person shouldn't be near high office

Exeggcute

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The actual answer is as above. He's diagnosable as a sociopath. That's fine in business but not as leader of a country. You don't have to like Clinton. Trump is actually diagnosable. It's not even nearly similar. If you dont like Clinton, fine. If you dont like trump, you should have argued for one or the other republicans.

Now, its a run off between Clinton and a diagnosable sociopath. Even if you hate Clinton the person, it's an easy choice because the other person shouldn't be near high office

I'd take the lesser of two evils. The diagnosable sociopath.:D

KingBrian2

Foxtrol wrote: »

It’s been proved that Trump lies more than Clinton on the campaign trail.

Point to me a US President or Secretary of State in the last 20 years who hasn’t been involved in deaths of thousands? It's part of the gig due to US foreign policy that cannot be changed overnight.

Trump has failed consistently in business, why do you think he’ll suddenly not make poor decisions as president?

He has done considerable better than some of the most experienced men and women on Wall Street not that they have not done well either. Trump had an extremely successful TV show The Apprentice a commercial hit worldwide. He may not win a Mr Universe contest the big man still scores huge praise among followers of those pageant shows.

Not exactly high brow entertainment. It is a big part of American culture by no means just American culture as dozens of non-Americans find those types of shows hugely entertaining. Far from being a huge failure he has built a brand that is known the world over and unlike Murdock and Carlos Slim he behaves more like an extoller of the common man.

David McWilliams "Breakfast Roll Man" comes to mind when looking at Trump so as a Business man he built loyalty among his followers and expanded his coverage to millions and billions of voters and non-Americans.

El_Duderino 09

Exeggcute wrote:

I'd take the lesser of two evils. The diagnosable sociopath.

That's only funny because he's doing so badly in the polls.

PopePalpatine

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Not exactly high brow entertainment. It is a big part of American culture by no means just American culture as dozens of non-Americans find those types of shows hugely entertaining. Far from being a huge failure he has built a brand that is known the world over and unlike Murdock and Carlos Slim he behaves more like an extoller of the common man.

How so? Name a "common man" who's opened up a mortgage company as a housing bubble was starting to overheat.

El_Duderino 09

KingBrian2 wrote:

David McWilliams "Breakfast Roll Man" comes to mind when looking at Trump so as a Business man he built loyalty among his followers and expanded his coverage to millions and billions of voters and non-Americans.

Entertaining breakfast roll man with the Punch and Judy show will win votes. What happens when it's about him and Putin? I mean really. Angela Merkel us a Russophile, speaks the language, understands the culture and history. She's a physicist and an extremely smart cookie and she holds her own with Putin. Trump talks about how Putin would respect him which is a joke. Putin would size him up as a half wit and own him in minutes.

Didn't Bush say he loves looked into his eyes saw that the has a 'good soul'. You can't send trump to talk with a world leader like Putin

KingBrian2

PopePalpatine wrote: »

How so? Name a "common man" who's opened up a mortgage company as a housing bubble was starting to overheat.

My comment is a response to the argument that his business ventures have been failures not that they were ethical.

You can accuse him of being a money grabber of that he boasts each and everyday however to accuse him of being a failed businessman is to mislead. His followers are backing him because of his capacity to succeed in business. He knows when to cut his losses like when the Atlanta market crashed or keep his assets to himself due to the stock market turmoil. The clever person will always keep an eye on the financial data. Trump's voters lost heavily due to the last two or three administrations. While New York still remains a place for business the Hong Kong, London, Tokyo, Frankfurt, Moscow, Dubai and Brasilia exchanges are soaking up the new investors.

Foxtrol

KingBrian2 wrote: »

He has done considerable better than some of the most experienced men and women on Wall Street not that they have not done well either.

No he hasn’t, if he put his money into an index fund he’d have more money than he currently claims (and we’re not even sure his claims are true as he wont release his tax returns). The most experienced men and women on Wall Street would not be in their position if they didn’t considerable do better than a market index.

Trump had an extremely successful TV show The Apprentice a commercial hit worldwide. He may not win a Mr Universe contest the big man still scores huge praise among followers of those pageant shows.

Not exactly high brow entertainment. It is a big part of American culture by no means just American culture as dozens of non-Americans find those types of shows hugely entertaining. Far from being a huge failure he has built a brand that is known the world over and unlike Murdock and Carlos Slim he behaves more like an extoller of the common man.

He didn’t create The Apprentice, he was just brought in as the face for it. You might as well heap praise on Bill Cullen for creating the Irish apprentice.

He also didn't create the pageant, it had ran for decades before he bought it, he ran it for a few years and was forced to sell it after his comments about Mexicans caused the networks to pull out.

PopePalpatine

Foxtrol wrote: »

He didn’t create The Apprentice, he was just brought in as the face for it. You might as well heap praise on Bill Cullen for creating the Irish apprentice.

He also didn't create the pageant, it had ran for decades before he bought it, he ran it for a few years and was forced to sell it after his comments about Mexicans caused the networks to pull out.

You're dealing with the same logic which thinks that Obama and Clinton created Da'esh. Not merely creating the conditions in which Da'esh came to power, but actually creating the organisation itself.

Pro Hoc Vice

KingBrian2 wrote: »

He has done considerable better than some of the most experienced men and women on Wall Street not that they have not done well either. Trump had an extremely successful TV show The Apprentice a commercial hit worldwide. He may not win a Mr Universe contest the big man still scores huge praise among followers of those pageant shows.

Not exactly high brow entertainment. It is a big part of American culture by no means just American culture as dozens of non-Americans find those types of shows hugely entertaining. Far from being a huge failure he has built a brand that is known the world over and unlike Murdock and Carlos Slim he behaves more like an extoller of the common man.

David McWilliams "Breakfast Roll Man" comes to mind when looking at Trump so as a Business man he built loyalty among his followers and expanded his coverage to millions and billions of voters and non-Americans.

You mean Trump was an actor in a TV show even a simple Goolge search should show he did not develop the show. If you going to praise him at least praise him for what he did. Look up Mark Burnett. Also look up trump steaks mortgages and a number of other failed ventures.

KingBrian2

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

You mean Trump was an actor in a TV show even a simple Goolge search should show he did not develop the show. If you going to praise him at least praise him for what he did. Look up Mark Burnett. Also look up trump steaks mortgages and a number of other failed ventures.

To succeed in Business you have to work on many projects and the Apprentice Show made him a very successful American Businessman. Those on Wall Street made money selling inflated mortgages to snr citizens with no chance of recouping their losses aside from bringing the wrongdoer to court. A lot of investors came together to force the issue. The SEC bagged a lot of perpetrators after the damage had been done. All of these fraudulent deals went undetected so enter Trump and suddenly the image of Hillary and Bill become far less flattering.

El_Dangeroso

Whoa Ronald Reagan's daughter shared this on facebook:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CplCyQ_VUAApK5o.jpg

Pro Hoc Vice

KingBrian2 wrote: »

To succeed in Business you have to work on many projects and the Apprentice Show made him a very successful American Businessman. Those on Wall Street made money selling inflated mortgages to snr citizens with no chance of recouping their losses aside from bringing the wrongdoer to court. A lot of investors came together to force the issue. The SEC bagged a lot of perpetrators after the damage had been done. All of these fraudulent deals went undetected so enter Trump and suddenly the image of Hillary and Bill become far less flattering.

Do you even believe what you spout! Ask his first wife about the rape.

Capt'n Midnight

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

there are a couple of these in private hands and still operational in the states

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnance_QF_6-pounder

enough to ruin any soldiers day.

Not if the Soldiers have some javelins. They can of course call up air support or longer range artillery. Also civilian night vision doesn't come close to the real thing. And there's all that non lethal stuff with the glue and the terahertz and that psy ops music.

And then there's Executive Order 9066 120,000 people and you are telling me none of them had guns ?

K-9

Foxtrol wrote: »

It’s been proved that Trump lies more than Clinton on the campaign trail.

Point to me a US President or Secretary of State in the last 20 years who hasn’t been involved in deaths of thousands? It's part of the gig due to US foreign policy that cannot be changed overnight.

Trump has failed consistently in business, why do you think he’ll suddenly not make poor decisions as president?

He's a list of business failures that he gets away with because of his name and taking advantage of bankruptcy laws. Your ordinary American small business owner wouldn't get away with it, put it that way.

InTheTrees

KingBrian2 wrote: »

To succeed in Business you have to work on many projects and the Apprentice Show made him a very successful American Businessman.

Why would being on the apprentice make him a successful businessman?

Actor or presenter maybe.

El_Duderino 09

Trump has started taking seriously about fraud. He's 8 points behind in Pennsylvania and says if he loses that state it must be voter fraud.

So he's getting his excuses in early. What are the chances of him pulling out in the run up to the election? It's not like he will lose graciously and give a speech congratulating Clinton.

Prediction: he takes part in the three debates as they will be his biggest audience to date. Trump is a narcissist do he couldn't miss that. The 3rd debate will be completely bizarre. He'll talk about the process being rigged and how it's so unfair. He drops like a stone in the polls, Then he pulls out with a week to go to the election.

Renegade Mechanic

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Whoa Ronald Reagan's daughter shared this on facebook:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CplCyQ_VUAApK5o.jpg

The same Reagan who referred to the Contras as "the moral equivalent of the founding fathers"? His time in the Whitehouse wasn't exactly stellar.

PopePalpatine wrote: »

You're dealing with the same logic which thinks that Obama and Clinton created Da'esh. Not merely creating the conditions in which Da'esh came to power, but actually creating the organisation itself.

Still not as bad as Hillary.
Sure, it's incorrect to say an organisation with it's roots in the late 90s was created by a man who secured presidency in 08, but the amount of people who are going to look it up just so they can "gotcha!!!" is going to be large - like always, I mean the man has plenty of enemies..

And they're going to find things like the thousands of Humvees and military trucks, hundreds of tanks/APCs, millions of rounds of ammunition, untold numbers of weapons, launchers and various body armour/general equipment. All left behind because it was cheaper than repatriation. More equipment than the Iraqi army left behind would ever be able to hold on to. All left to ISIS. And that's before the massive convoys of new and nearly new (those "older" landcruisers are still being made...) modified pickups, the money for which I'll get to.

Who knows, they might even happen across the many (not all, as someone showed me, just nearly all, like that somehow makes it better...) oil rigs left untouched by American/Coalition air operations, leaving ISIS and their ilk to make well over a million per day selling oil. Even today they still control much of Syrias oil fields and a sizeable amount of Iraqs.

Oh they'll get their "gotcha", but they'll receive an invaluable education on the current administrations facilitation of the crowd on their way to it...

Renegade Mechanic

"Trump got money from the Russians!!!"

So did Hillary. And for more dangerous reason.
http://www.businessinsider.com/everything-we-know-about-the-hillary-clinton-russia-uranium-scandal-2015-4

Approving the sale of uranium for millions in payment to her.
(Even Bill got 500,000 for speaking to a Russian bank.)
Oh, wait, sorry, those millions were actually donations to her charity. The same "charity" that received tens of millions of dollars from Goldman-Sachs, JP Morgan, Citigroup, and UBS.
The same "charity" that received tens of millions of dollars from China, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Yemen, Qatar, and the UAE.

"Well Trump lies!!!"

That's not a lie in fairness but what hasn't he lied about.
Well, he hasn't lied about being named after Sir Edmund Hillary.
He didn't lie so much he got fired from the Watergate investigation.
He didn't lie throughout his Whitewater scandal.
Nor did he lie about taking "sniper fire" when visiting the Balkans during 90s.
He didn't lie about jogging around the WTC.
He didn't lie about Benghazi.
He hasn't lied throughout his email scandal or continues to lie about it.
He hasn't lied about being broke after leaving the White House.

I know, why doesn't someone list the bad things about the Trumps and I'll list the bad things about the Clintons. We could call it Top Trumps

Pro Hoc Vice

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

"Trump got money from the Russians!!!"

So did Hillary. And for more dangerous reason.
http://www.businessinsider.com/everything-we-know-about-the-hillary-clinton-russia-uranium-scandal-2015-4

Approving the sale of uranium for millions in payment to her.
(Even Bill got 500,000 for speaking to a Russian bank.)
Oh, wait, sorry, those millions were actually donations to her charity. The same "charity" that received tens of millions of dollars from Goldman-Sachs, JP Morgan, Citigroup, and UBS.
The same "charity" that received tens of millions of dollars from China, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Yemen, Qatar, and the UAE.

"Well Trump lies!!!"

That's not a lie in fairness but what hasn't he lied about.
Well, he hasn't lied about being named after Sir Edmund Hillary.
He didn't lie so much he got fired from the Watergate investigation.
He didn't lie throughout his Whitewater scandal.
Nor did he lie about taking "sniper fire" when visiting the Balkans during 90s.
He didn't lie about jogging around the WTC.
He didn't lie about Benghazi.
He hasn't lied throughout his email scandal or continues to lie about it.
He hasn't lied about being broke after leaving the White House.

I know, why doesn't someone list the bad things about the Trumps and I'll list the bad things about the Clintons. We could call it Top Trumps

http://urbanmyths.com/urban-myths/politics/fact-or-fiction-was-hillary-clinton-fired-from-watergate-investigation/

Here is one for Trump

http://fusion.net/story/328522/donald-trump-accused-rape-sexual-assault/[URL][/url]

Renegade Mechanic

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

http://urbanmyths.com/urban-myths/politics/fact-or-fiction-was-hillary-clinton-fired-from-watergate-investigation/

I'll let David in the comments take this one.

So, it's your webpage against another webpage? Well, you’ve definitely convinced me. No sources listed. No sources cited other than “he said, she said”. I’m not convinced she was fired, but this does nothing to move anyone from the fact that she's a liar.

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

Here is one for Trump.

http://fusion.net/story/328522/donald-trump-accused-rape-sexual-assault/

Are you sure you want to engage me on who's treated women worse?
And I'm not even talking about Bill...

A Little Pony

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote:

Why should he get zero votes?

The actual answer is as above. He's diagnosable as a sociopath. That's fine in business but not as leader of a country. You don't have to like Clinton. Trump is actually diagnosable. It's not even nearly similar. If you dont like Clinton, fine. If you dont like trump, you should have argued for one or the other republicans.

Now, its a run off between Clinton and a diagnosable sociopath. Even if you hate Clinton the person, it's an easy choice because the other person shouldn't be near high office

Clinton isn't a sociopath..

She only lies all the time and can't ever seem to tell the truth. She was against gay marriage and then was for it. She turns like the wind.

B_Wayne

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

I'll let David in the comments take this one.





Are you sure you want to engage me on who's treated women worse?
And I'm not even talking about Bill...

This one has sources, even the man who claimed to have fired her.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/zeifman.asp

CMOTDibbler

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

"Trump got money from the Russians!!!"

So did Hillary. And for more dangerous reason.
http://www.businessinsider.com/everything-we-know-about-the-hillary-clinton-russia-uranium-scandal-2015-4

Approving the sale of uranium for millions in payment to her.
(Even Bill got 500,000 for speaking to a Russian bank.)
Oh, wait, sorry, those millions were actually donations to her charity. The same "charity" that received tens of millions of dollars from Goldman-Sachs, JP Morgan, Citigroup, and UBS.
The same "charity" that received tens of millions of dollars from China, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Yemen, Qatar, and the UAE.

You need to actually read the articles you link.

The Director of National Intelligence and the Secretary of Labor are non-voting members, and CFIUS's work is also observed by representatives of other agencies like the National Security Council and the Office of Management and Budget. The idea that Clinton could have convinced all those officials and all those departments to change their position on the sale, even if she had wanted to, borders on the absurd.
Furthermore, the official who was the State Department's representative on CFIUS at the time, Jose Hernandez, told Time magazine that Clinton did not participate in the evaluation of this deal: "Secretary Clinton never intervened with me on any CFIUS matter," he said.

For twenty years, the GOP has been trying to get Hillary Clinton. All those smoking guns and they haven't been able to lay a finger on her. :rolleyes:

Pro Hoc Vice

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

I'll let David in the comments take this one.





Are you sure you want to engage me on who's treated women worse?
And I'm not even talking about Bill...

So you think marital rape is a joking matter? Plus all the others including an ongoing case involving a 13 year old.

30 lies he was forded to admit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/trump-lies/[URL][/url]

Renegade Mechanic

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

So you think marital rape is a joking matter? Plus all the others including an ongoing case involving a 13 year old.

Nope, but there's a certain risk involved in invoking the Epstein name with alleged cases, particularly considering member(s) of the Clinton family with far less "tenuous" ties to said name's "Express"...