Donald Trump

Hoop66

Pfft. you can prove anything with evidence.

A Little Pony

wes wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Saying he said a woman is not worth as much as a man. A complete lie. I watched that debate on the BBC (which I think she is referring to) about companies policy on maternity leave etc. It was just such a lie.

Sky News seems to say otherwise:
Farage: 'Working Mothers Worth Less Than Men'

Buzzfeed as well:
Farage Defends Saying That Women Should Be Paid Less Than Men

and the Telegraph:
Hey ladies! Nigel Farage's Ukip wants to turn the clock back for women's rights. Fact

I think Hilary is ok, when it comes to that one. If you read the links, it pretty much the standard misogynistic crap, used to justify paying women less.

A Little Pony wrote: »

She did the same over the classified information, a video of it on Twitter of her saying classified information wasn't sent and then the FBI saying it was.

FBI Director revises stance, says none of Hillary Clinton s emails were classified at the time

So no lies then.......

Now Trump on the other hand, has lied repeatedly:
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

I know the link has been provide earlier in the thread, but Trump is pretty damn prolific when it comes to lies

It is hilarious the lengths you go to defend crooked Hillary Clinton. The FBI guy is on video saying classified information was passed on. It is evident for everyone to see.

Regarding Farage, again you need to watch the debate. You are quoting establishment biased links which do not take into account the debate they had on the BBC programme. You should try harder.

A Little Pony

Billy86 wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Go watch the debate on a BBC programme between him and some loony shouting woman who could not handle the reality of the real world. His comments are in the context of the argument regarding bosses. So yes, it was an utter lie.

You're right, she did misquote him. Here is what Clinton said: "Farage has called for a ban on the children of legal immigrants from public schools and health services," she continued, "has said women are quote 'worth less' than men, and supports scrapping laws that prevent employers from discriminating based on race - that's who Trump wants by his side."

Here is what Farage said: In many, many cases, women make different choices in life to the ones that men make simply for biological reasons," he said during his speech in January. "If a woman has a client base and has a child and takes two or three years off work, she is worth far less to the employer when she comes back than when she goes away because her client base cannot be stuck rigidly to her.

If she were to have quoted him directly, she would have said 'worth far less'. What she did was fail to give context, not too surprising given that politics can be dirty and Clinton is certainly far from clean in that respect. But that's a half-truth, not an out-and-out lie. Doesn't make it right, but that's what politicians (and news outlets like Breitbart on one end of the spectrum, or Mother Jones on the other) do unfortunately, and it's bad for society. But there is a clear difference between a subtle/nuanced/deceptive half-truth and an out and out lie.

An out and out lie would be saying, for example, that Obama literally founded ISIS. Or saying the Democrats and NFL(!?) are in collusion. Or claiming not taking in refugees would spare enough money to rebuild every city in the US. Or that crime in the US is going up. Or claiming that Clinton wants all violent criminals released from jails. Or claiming Clinton doesn't do well with female voters. Or the that 2016 federal omnibus spending bill "funds illegal immigrants coming in and through your border, right through Phoenix." Or claiming not to know anything about David Duke, despite knowing plenty about him. Or claiming to have never met Putin despite claiming he had previously. Or trying to claim being against Libya despite being for it. Or claiming to be against Iraq despite being for it. Or claiming unemployment is 30%, 35%, 42% etc when it is 5%. Or using border footage from Morocco and trying to claim it is in Mexico. Or claiming Obama wants to take in a quarter of a million Syrians. Or claiming black people are responsible for 81% of white homicides. Or claiming the government is purposely directing refugees to red states over blue ones. Or claiming to have never said Mark Rubio is Mark Zuckerberg's personal senator, despite it being on his website. Or claiming Bernie Sanders wants to tax people 90%. Or claiming the Mexican government is sending - even forcing- their people to enter the US illegally. Or claiming quarterl GDP has never been below zero before (when it has been no less than 42 times). Or claiming Kuwait never paid for the first Gulf War, when they paid 16bn compared to the US's 7bn. Or bizarrely claiming that Obama's classmates never saw him in school and have no recollection of him.

Those would be examples of out and out lies.

I see five men on the stage by the way, was this 'loony shouting woman' an audience member?

No, that is a different debate. Farage is absolutely right about mothers being worth less to employers. It is just a business fact. But then you know that.

Billy86

A Little Pony wrote: »

No, that is a different debate. Farage is absolutely right about mothers being worth less to employers. It is just a business fact. But then you know that.

So can you please link us to this debate then? Because everything I could find on Google or Youtube led back to this (I tried but couldn't find a video that included the question being asked to see if it was the woman you were referring to), which is making me curious if the debate you are talking about exists?

A Little Pony

Billy86 wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

No, that is a different debate. Farage is absolutely right about mothers being worth less to employers. It is just a business fact. But then you know that.

So can you please link us to this debate then? Because everything I could find on Google or Youtube led back to this (I tried but couldn't find a video that included the question being asked to see if it was the woman you were referring to), which is making me curious if the debate you are talking about exists?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBSl896hD10

RobertKK

They are all as bad as each other.

On Hillary's side you have John Podesta who is the chairman of her campaign and whose company the Podesta group is paid by the government of Saudi Arabia to lobby for them.
One can argue who each side are associated with.

Trump with the obnoxious Nigel Farage.
Clinton with plenty of links to the Saudis who treat women like dirt and other groups in society too.

Billy86

A Little Pony wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBSl896hD10

You literally just linked back to the same video of him saying a woman with a child is "worth far less" than a man, with a discussion about it afterward. So yes, your video shows exactly what I said - Clinton used a half truth, not an 'out and out lie', some examples of which you can also find in my post from yesterday.

wes

A Little Pony wrote: »

It is hilarious the lengths you go to defend crooked Hillary Clinton. The FBI guy is on video saying classified information was passed on. It is evident for everyone to see.

They revised there stance. You ignoring this fact is nothing short of astonishing. Typical of fans of Loser Donald (if people are going to with crooked Hilary silliness, then 2 can play at that game)

A Little Pony wrote: »

Regarding Farage, again you need to watch the debate. You are quoting establishment biased links which do not take into account the debate they had on the BBC programme. You should try harder.

The links do actually. They each described the context of what he said. Oh and how the hell was the leave side not also part of the establishment ffs, both Boris Johnson and David Cameron went to the same school, and were both bullingdon club members. The entire notion that the leave side were anti-establishment is farcical. Plenty of UK media were on the side of leave as well.

KingBrian2

Clinton seems to agree with Farage on women be worthless than men as she cooperates with the repressive Saudi Kingdom. In the Russian army men & women are equal and the state does not discriminate based on religious affiliation. Many Russians are atheists, agnostics, Muslims & Orthodox Christians whereas in the not so tolerant Kingdom of Saudi Arabia women are lashed in front of the public. Homosexuality is a crime of which the sentence is death & free speech which every Muslim in Europe and America has is denied so a litany of stereotypes against Jews, Blacks & Westerners are taken for real.

Which candidate is worse on secular values, Hillary or Trump?

Ol Dirty Masscard

B_Wayne wrote: »

I'm pretty confident that Trump is gonna crash and burn at this stage when it comes to the election. He's not a politician, he's just a terrible person and a pretty poor business man that is a popularity personality. He has engaged in racism, xenophobia and just generally hateful rhetoric.

Can you point out just one racist thing he has done, or said?

No?

Didn't think so.

People will claim all of the above is him 'not being pc', not being pc means reverting to attitudes that we've long since realised were wrong and hateful. He's just brewing hatred up with people who hold hateful views.

Politically correct is when a police appeal for suspects refuses to divulge the suspect's race, as we saw in the gang rape in Tallaght a few months ago.

Politically correct is when Hilary Clinton brings the mother's of career criminals like Michael Brown and Eric Garner on stage at the DNC while repulsive city mayors like Bill DeBlasio throw their own cops under the bus for protecting the public, and then criticise the cops when crime rises because good cops realise their job isn't worth doing due to the fact the establishment will ruin them if things get out of hand with some scumbag who won't follow a police instruction.

Politically correct is when the mainstream media doesn't broadcast the criminal record of Alton Sterling.

9/09/96 – Aggravated battery
10/31/97 – 2nd degree battery
1/06/98 – Simple battery
5/04/00 – Public intimidation
9/20/00 – Carnal knowledge of a juvenile
9/04/01 – Domestic violence
5/24/05 – Burglary of an inhabited dwelling place
7/11/05 – Receiving stolen things
9/12/05 – Burglary of inhabited dwelling place
3/17/06 – Simple criminal damage to property, simple robbery, simple theft, drug possession, misrepresentation during booking, simple battery, aggravated battery
4/12/06 – Aggravated battery, simple criminal damage to property, disturbing the peace, unauthorized entry
4/04/08 – Domestic abuse battery
6/03/09 – Resisting an officer, drug possession, receiving stolen things, possession of stolen firearm, illegal carrying of a weapon with CDs, sound reproduct without consent
10/12/09 – Illegal carrying of weapon, marijuana possession
8/13/15 – Failure to register as a sex offender
4/08/16 – Failure to register as a sex offender
6/14/16 – Ecstacy and marijuana possession

I can forgive the ecstasy, the weed and the counterfeit CD's. The rest is all a bit murky.

Politically correct is the terrorism exercise in Manchester a few months ago where police actors got slated for shouting "Allahu Akbar" during a rehearsal for a shopping centre siege. Because despite the fact that a non Islamist terrorist hasn't committed or attempted a major act of terrorism on the British mainland since the 1996 IRA Manchester bombing, it is not politically correct to assume the attackers in a real life situation would be affiliated with Islamists.

Politically correct is claiming racism is to blame for unemployment among young British born ethnic minorities when people of similar skin tone with no English who smuggled themselves into the country in the back of a lorry are somehow able to find employment.

Politically correct is the piece of unemployable human cancer you will view if you Youtube the word "Trigglypuff". Or if that isn't enough try youtubing AIDS Skrillex and Carl the Cuck.





In short, tax paying mugs are getting tired of all of the above.

Foxtrol

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Clinton seems to agree with Farage on women be worthless than men as she cooperates with the repressive Saudi Kingdom. In the Russian army men & women are equal and the state does not discriminate based on religious affiliation. Many Russians are atheists, agnostics, Muslims & Orthodox Christians whereas in the not so tolerant Kingdom of Saudi Arabia women are lashed in front of the public. Homosexuality is a crime of which the sentence is death & free speech which every Muslim in Europe and America has is denied so a litany of stereotypes against Jews, Blacks & Westerners are taken for real.

Which candidate is worse on secular values, Hillary or Trump?

Trump happily did business in Saudi Arabia for years, still having business interests there when he filed his financials with the FEC.

Must try harder.

Foxtrol

Ol Dirty Masscard wrote: »

Can you point out just one racist thing he has done, or said?

No?

Didn't think so.

Google is your friend

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83

Billy86

Ol Dirty Masscard wrote: »

Can you point out just one racist thing he has done, or said?

No?

Didn't think so.

My god, you've created your own echo chamber inside a single post. Well done.

- Implied he's never met a 'good' Mexican.
- Had a go at the dead soldiers' mom not talking, claiming it was because she was Muslim
- Claimed a judge who is American would be biased in the fraud case he is the defendant in, because they are Mexican. Despite being American.
- Has been sued twice by the Justice Department for refusing to rent to black people.
- Was fined $200k for purposefully keeping black staff away from his mobster friends at his casino.
- Is a very prominent 'birther', claiming Obama not to be American.
- Used a Star of David and tonnes of money in the background in an Tweeted image about Clinton.

That's a start. It's amazing how people can answer when you give them time to do so, and don't answer your own question yourself in the same post as you asked it.

Billy86

Foxtrol wrote: »

Trump happily did business in Saudi Arabia for years, still having business interests there when he filed his financials with the FEC.

Must try harder.

I wouldn't bother, he's already been explicitly told by a mod to stop posting in this thread only a few posts back.

ken wrote: »

Mod- KingBrian2 do not post in this thread again.
CMOTDibbler please stop making up stupid names for Donald Trump.

KingBrian2

Foxtrol wrote: »

Trump happily did business in Saudi Arabia for years, still having business interests there when he filed his financials with the FEC.

Must try harder.

Your okay with a candidate that takes money from Saudi's that have been spreading hate and sectarianism across the world. The same candidate that sees Russia & ISIS and Iran as somehow comparable. Yet ignores Israel, Pakistan & Mexico for endemic corruption and militarization.

Today liberal advocates in a French court reversed the decision and allowed Muslims to once again cover up and hide themselves from the public. What would happen if Saudi style dress started arriving in the US? New York would see Jews with their traditional garb alongside Muslims but not in a friendly way.

So all I am saying is that Hillary Clinton is way off in some of her insinuations about Trump. Islam has a place in the west but Trump knows that dealing with the Saudis requires a complete change. Uncomfortable truths nobody in the Democratic party wants to hear.

Mod-Banned

Foxtrol

Billy86 wrote: »

I wouldn't bother, he's already been explicitly told by a mod to stop posting in this thread only a few posts back.

Thanks!

It's hard to tell the Trump apologists apart, they sound the same

InTheTrees

Ol Dirty Masscard wrote: »

Can you point out just one racist thing he has done, or said?

Yes.

He's also a misogynist. A narcissist. A liar. A bankrupt.

Why isn't there a Hillary Clinton thread?

alchemist33

Because no-one made one.

CMOTDibbler

Deleted User wrote: »

Why isn't there a Hillary Clinton thread?

She's no fun.

Renegade Mechanic

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why isn't there a Hillary Clinton thread?

Because information about her tends to go missing all the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHhNr5jeTIw

https://mobile.twitter.com/d_seaman?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

"Hey, let's all speculate about Trumps mental health like the progressive liberals we all are! What? You wrote articles about Hillary's health!? YOU DISGUSTING PIG. We're deleting those articles and removing your publisher access to Huff post without any dialogue whatsoever!!!"

Now, i never once cared about speculation on Trump. I just sat back with the sort of glee one comes over with, when they see morons throwing stones in glass houses, even if they're seeing it from the balcony of their own glass house...

This unabashed bias is hilarious though tbh. Much as I dislike the Gob, I dislike Hillary so much more...
That's what any election is anyway, picking the least ****tiest piece of **** out of the pile of ****.
But there's one particular piece of **** there right now that's making all the right people angry and Ohhhh Mah GAWD will I do some laughing if he gets in

The_Valeyard

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Because information about her tends to go missing all the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHhNr5jeTIw

https://mobile.twitter.com/d_seaman?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

"Hey, let's all speculate about Trumps mental health like the progressive liberals we all are! What? You wrote articles about Hillary's health!? YOU DISGUSTING PIG. We're deleting those articles and removing your publisher access to Huff post without any dialogue whatsoever!!!"

Now, i never once cared about speculation on Trump. I just sat back with the sort of glee one comes over with, when they see morons throwing stones in glass houses, even if it's from the balcony of their own glass house...

This unabashed bias is hilarious though tbh. Much as I dislike the Gob, I dislike Hillary so much more...
That's what any election is anyway, picking the least ****tiest piece of **** out of the pile of ****.
But there's one particular piece of **** there right now that's making all the right people angry and Ohhhh Mah GAWD will I do some laughing if he gets in

I'd love the Huff post to go the same way as Gawker.

Same with Fox news and RT.com

Cheerful Spring

The debates between Hilary and Trump will decide who wins this election. I like neither. Just goes to show how messed up the world is right now when the choice is those two.

PTH2009

Question for anyone who are fans of the cartoon King Of The Hill

Do you think Hank and the guys would be supporters of trump ???

Dale would deff be a trump fan

briany

No way would Hank Hill support Trump. Hank sort of represents the traditional Republican who'd utterly reject the man. Hank would go 3rd party but be horrified by the college liberal types he'd be forced to mix with.

B0jangles

Weird, I was thinking about this only a couple of days ago..

Hank would hate Trump because he's a New Yorker, he's unreliable in business, AND he has small hands, therefore a weak handshake. He'd never vote Clinton and he couldn't vote Johnson because he wants to legalize marijuana.)
Cotton would hate him because he's a draft dodger.
Peggy would be drawn to the snake-oil salesmanship but be repelled by the anti-mexican rhetoric.
Bobby'd be drawn to the glitzyness probably.
Dale... I dunno - I can see him getting caught up in the rabble-rousing tone of the rallies but I think he'd probably go Libertarian in the end, or just dodge the whole thing and bring Hank christmas shopping instead.
Luanne would go Trump because of Ivanka's fashion line and she'd dream of getting to do Donald's hair and make-up.
Boomhauer would go Libertarian.
Bill would do whatever Hank told him.

CMOTDibbler

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Because information about her tends to go missing all the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHhNr5jeTIw

https://mobile.twitter.com/d_seaman?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

"Hey, let's all speculate about Trumps mental health like the progressive liberals we all are! What? You wrote articles about Hillary's health!? YOU DISGUSTING PIG. We're deleting those articles and removing your publisher access to Huff post without any dialogue whatsoever!!!"

Now, i never once cared about speculation on Trump. I just sat back with the sort of glee one comes over with, when they see morons throwing stones in glass houses, even if they're seeing it from the balcony of their own glass house...

This unabashed bias is hilarious though tbh. Much as I dislike the Gob, I dislike Hillary so much more...
That's what any election is anyway, picking the least ****tiest piece of **** out of the pile of ****.
But there's one particular piece of **** there right now that's making all the right people angry and Ohhhh Mah GAWD will I do some laughing if he gets in

I got about a minute into that video and broke my heart laughing. He's referring to the so-called 'seizure' video that is clearly doctored and has been debunked so many times it's now a cliche for internet conspiracy theories.

If he (as he says) based a couple of articles on that stuff in any reputable news organ he'd be getting his marching orders so quickly his feet wouldn't touch the ground. Never mind the effect on their reputation, the law suits would have the huffpost following gawker.

And the gobsh1te either believes that crap he's spouting or he's being deliberately disingenuous. Either way he's not cut out to be a journalist.

RDM_83 again

I'm curious what the pro-clinton people feel about the concussion stuff? Like I mean in her own words she wasn't able to remember briefings etc.
Is it just a case that Trump is that bad or do people buy her explanations for the email stuff?

InTheTrees

RDM_83 again wrote: »

I'm curious what the pro-clinton people feel about the concussion stuff? Like I mean in her own words she wasn't able to remember briefings etc.

This has been going on since the 1990's

An endless torrent of republican accusations and rumours that come to nothing. Bill Clinton's failed impeachment was the result of years of republican investigations into whitewater that produced nothing. And its been going on ever since for thirty years.

So you ask about the "concussion" stuff? Well she released a medical report that says she's fine. The report appears to be genuine and written by real medical professionals too.

wes

The_Valeyard wrote: »

I'd love the Huff post to go the same way as Gawker.

There owned by Verizon these days. So, they would be no easy target.