Ireland's biggest landlord: 'Dublin rents are at breaking point'

syklops

syklops wrote: »

<MOD SNIP - see thread title>

In Star Wars theres a planet called Corrusant and the entire planet is one big city. If we continue with our current policies regarding building up, the emerald Isle will be one city, all about 6 floors in height. That idea is heart breaking.

I have absolutely no idea why my post was snipped. See thread title?? I shared an anecdote from Galway in a thread about Dublin property. Is that it?!?

Fact: If we keep building 6 floor homes Galway will be the same city as Dublin, but it will be called Dublin in a few years time. The Emerald Isle will be the battleship grey isle. with 6 floor builings covering it.

syklops

yqtwqxqm wrote: »

I like Dublins skyline the way it is.
I think there is great character to the city.

Sounds like im in the minority.

I thnk if you want to build up, go build a new town way outside the city and have a good rail link into the city from it. Concentrate the new high rise blight well outside of the city.

Great character.

Great. What do you do and where do you live?

quadrifoglio verde

yqtwqxqm wrote: »

You do realize its Ireland right
What you will get is the cheapest sh!ttiest high rises that can possibly be built. It will be Ballymun all over again.
Look at the Ballymun regeneration. Its just a sh!t as it was before the regeneration.

If you had built ballymun style apartments in balls bridge and filled it with wealthy ballsbridge residents, the problems that occurred in Ballymun wouldn't have occurred

Yeah the lifts might have broke down, but what happens when the lift breaks down in a private apartment block?
The owners pay to get it fixed

High rise housing wasn't the issue in ballymun. Neither is terraced housing in jobstown

newacc2015

yqtwqxqm wrote: »

You do realize its Ireland right
What you will get is the cheapest sh!ttiest high rises that can possibly be built. It will be Ballymun all over again.
Look at the Ballymun regeneration. Its just a sh!t as it was before the regeneration.

If people didnt want to pay for quality, we would be driving battered 1990's Fiat's and buying the cheapest British made white goods. Except there is a huge amount of people who pay a premium for the best German cars and German goods. People will pay for quality. The problem during the boom was all developers built to the same standard. If you open the property section of the Irish Times tomorrow you will see houses and apartments that are completely different quality to 2006. You can now buy apartments in the middle of Dublin City big enough to raise a family in now. In 2004, you could barely buy an apartment in Dublin that has bigger than a garage in most suburban homes.

The problem with Ballymun was the residents. No politician likes to say that. But that is the reality. There was the BS argument, that Ballymun was a disaster due to the lack of services. Yet it was surrounded with private housing, where there was no social issues at all.

People live in apartment blocks over 100 storeys in Manhattan, NYC without any social issues. In fact the richest and safest part of NYC is the part with the most dense housing ie Upper East Side. At what stage are we going to stop blaming the development style for social issues and realise a lot of it is done to the residents who live in it.

NYC to ensure social housing and private development gives out tax breaks for 80/20 housing. 80% private housing and 20% social housing. The management company gets to pick the 20% who lives in the apartment block to prevent social issues. They have to be employed. There is also tax breaks in NYC for building housing for middle class professionals to rent. Maybe DCC should consider tax breaks for middle class developments ie waive their ridiculous planning and levies on the developments

BoatMad

BoatMad wrote: »

you cant have " decent sized apartments ", that are affordable and near to facilities and transport , to much wishful thinking

On the contrary, if you have high rise buildings resulting in a higher population density per sq Km, decent transport arrangements and facilities become much more cost effective to implement.

Idbatterim

This is the thing. A high rise private development with amazing views, would be top of my list of desirable places to live... The millennium tower and alto vitro would both be seen as exclusive high ish rise places to live...

OfflerCrocGod

yqtwqxqm wrote: »

You do realize its Ireland right
What you will get is the cheapest sh!ttiest high rises that can possibly be built. It will be Ballymun all over again.
Look at the Ballymun regeneration. Its just a sh!t as it was before the regeneration.

In the docklands? In 2016? That's prime land in a constrained, growing city, no developer with a clue would waste those plots like that.

Idbatterim

Plans announced today to develop Irish glass bottle site as sdz. Can't wait to see what I expect to be another joke proposal from the city council, it will be open to public consultation and abp will get their say...

After the world class area we were promised in the squatlands turned out to be a lie / sham. Maybe this time around we will get an area worthy of the name, after much fighting...

syklops

Idbatterim wrote: »

Plans announced today to develop Irish glass bottle site as sdz. Can't wait to see what I expect to be another joke proposal from the city council, it will be open to public consultation and abp will get their say...

After the world class area we were promised in the squatlands turned out to be a lie / sham. Maybe this time around we will get an area worthy of the name, after much fighting...

The article in the Times said the building restriction for the Irish glass site will be 28 meters with a small number of buildings being allowed to be 50 meters. Just to add context the chimneys on the poolbeg site are 207 metres. If you dropped those silly restrictions you could fit a very large amount of people into that site. 28 meters is just a waste.

Idbatterim

dont worry, we can make observations on it! I am emailing Simon Coveney about it now...

I have to say I am concerned when "specialists in failure" i.e. the city council are exacerbating a crisis, allow appalling building standards and appalling "architecture"... they also allowed Exo to go ahead, I think the non existent standards and their implications have to be brought out in the open...

Michael D Not Higgins

syklops wrote: »

The article in the Times said the building restriction for the Irish glass site will be 28 meters with a small number of buildings being allowed to be 50 meters. Just to add context the chimneys on the poolbeg site are 207 metres. If you dropped those silly restrictions you could fit a very large amount of people into that site. 28 meters is just a waste.

The Ballymun flats are always in the planners' minds when they look at tall apartment blocks. It will take regulation or cultural change to implement a build up policy in Dublin.

BoatMad

the city council are exacerbating a crisis, allow appalling building standards and appalling "architecture

who determined it was " appalling building standards and appalling architecture , especially since there is a clamour to get DCC to ease building standards

Idbatterim

The Ballymun flats are always in the planners' minds when they look at tall apartment blocks. It will take regulation or cultural change to implement a build up policy in Dublin.

I can only imagine the social problems that the millenium tower and alto vetro must have :rolleyes: I can seem ballymun 2 now, they are building office space now for tens of thousands of workers in the docklands, many who would choose to live around the docklands, including Irish Glass bottle site, can you imagine them in a high rise, I am sure the place would resemble world war 3 :rolleyes:

Michael D Not Higgins

Idbatterim wrote: »

I can only imagine the social problems that the millenium tower and alto vetro must have :rolleyes: I can seem ballymun 2 now, they are building office space now for tens of thousands of workers in the docklands, many who would choose to live around the docklands, including Irish Glass bottle site, can you imagine them in a high rise, I am sure the place would resemble world war 3 :rolleyes:

I'm not saying it's right, in fact I support a more high rise Dublin. However, there's no willingness of those in charge to create that shift to taller and more intensive use of the premium land in central Dublin.

BoatMad

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

I'm not saying it's right, in fact I support a more high rise Dublin. However, there's no willingness of those in charge to create that shift to taller and more intensive use of the premium land in central Dublin.

stuffing more people into high rise apartments in central Dublin is not a solution to anything.

unless you first create liveable urban spaces and high quality amenity area

look at how long grand canal dock tool to develop and its still a massively under-utilised space as an amenity . In any other city the docks would be teaming with boats, and be seen to be a desirable place to live , yet huge areas are still undeveloped, graffiti ridden and soulless office "boxes "

Idbatterim

who determined it was " appalling building standards and appalling architecture , especially since there is a clamour to get DCC to ease building standards

building standards I am referring to, is mainly build quality. There should be no stud partitions between properties, that and bloody water pumps are my two biggest bug bears and yes size of units should be kept reasonable. There is no way they should be cut to shoe boxes, just due to some irrational fear of going up another floor or two. Also this dual aspect bull**** and the lift ratio, time to get real!

As if I and thousands of others like me, are in a position to care about dual aspect etc, a decent quality roof over the head at a price that isnt extortionate is all I ask for...

Regulations come up with by people who have probably never lived in an apartment, never will and sure as hell arent effected by their own moronic decisions...

Michael D Not Higgins

BoatMad wrote: »

stuffing more people into high rise apartments in central Dublin is not a solution to anything.

unless you first create liveable urban spaces and high quality amenity area

look at how long grand canal dock tool to develop and its still a massively under-utilised space as an amenity . In any other city the docks would be teaming with boats, and be seen to be a desirable place to live , yet huge areas are still undeveloped, graffiti ridden and soulless office "boxes "

Sure, you're just Boat Mad!

Agreed, but all that comes with proper planning, which is also an important part of the intensive land use that I mentioned.

Idbatterim

Speaking on RTÉ's News at One, Minister Coveney said the Cabinet has agreed to designate the 34 hectare site in central Dublin as a Strategic Development Zone to allow for the fast-tracking of the project.

He said the plan marked a "new chapter" of quality, community building and would go ahead after the design is finalised by Dublin City Council.

a new chapter LOL, yeah lets hope so. Bear in mind Dublin City Council approved the Exo building recently. They also throw out the term "world class" a lot, if the docklands are anything so far, its a world class failure!

Noonan refered to our docklands as the "new canary wharf" boring waterside, 8 storey cubes... More like stuff that would be built in newcastle Id imagine :rolleyes:

Get Johnny ronan and sean dunne in, thats not even a joke, if their boom time plans were "extravagant" I cant wait to see this other extreme joke of a proposal for the IGBS...

Has there been any hints of semi D?