E3 2016 - June 12th to 14th

YouSavedMyLife

lawlolawl wrote: »

You do realize there has been a playable demo of it on PSN for a few weeks at this stage?

Yes, I know...

Doge

Completely forgot about Ace Combat 7. Shame there was nothing about it this year.

tok9

dunworth1 wrote: »

the orchestra was boring at the start it was too long.

it was like they went hmm we dont have enough to fill all the time.. i know let have the orchesta play for 10 minutes at the start

I could not disagree with that more.

It sounds more like impatience than anything else.

They can make the conference shorter if they want, there is no rule on how long it should be.

Also this idea that companies don't have enough to fill the time makes no sense to me. It's not like Xbox, Sony etc don't have other games they could show. They are making a conference that they think will connect with people.

Sony could have shown Gran Turismo, Ni-oh, Persona 5, Abzu.. whatever. Those trailers are still out there.

If they start next year the same way, I'd be delighted.

Generic Dreadhead

Does Zelda have a release date?

Not sure how I feel about the aesthetic of it. Seems washed out looking imho.
Also, the world seemed pretty, but empty.

I of course it is awesome, but was not blown away at all.

ItsHoggie

tok9 wrote: »

I don't think Sony are realistically going to promote a game that had a marketing/exclusivity deal with Xbox. I imagine we'll get news in a blog post.

Oh I know they wouldn't. I was on about from the Square Enix conference :pac:

AbusesToilets

Cormac... wrote: »

Does Zelda have a release date?

Not sure how I feel about the aesthetic of it. Seems washed out looking imho.
Also, the world seemed pretty, but empty.

I of course it is awesome, but was not blown away at all.

Have they said whether it will be only on the Wii U or will there be a version for NX? Have they mentioned any details on the NX or its lineup so far?

Pac1Man

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Have they said whether it will be only on the Wii U or will there be a version for NX? Have they mentioned any details on the NX or its lineup so far?

It will be released simultaneously on both consoles. No details have been released about the NX, all rumour at this stage. Nothing official about its lineup either apart from Zelda and Just Dance 2017.

FAILSAFE 00

tok9 wrote: »

I could not disagree with that more.

It sounds more like impatience than anything else.

They can make the conference shorter if they want, there is no rule on how long it should be.

Also this idea that companies don't have enough to fill the time makes no sense to me. It's not like Xbox, Sony etc don't have other games they could show. They are making a conference that they think will connect with people.

Sony could have shown Gran Turismo, Ni-oh, Persona 5, Abzu.. whatever. Those trailers are still out there.

If they start next year the same way, I'd be delighted.

Did Sony really need to spend 10 minutes on the orchestra at the opening?

That's 10 minutes that could have been spent showcasing amazing indie games coming to PS4. Maybe there wasn't much to show.

It seems Xbox is the new home lately for indie games. It's nice at E3 to see big players like Microsoft highlight indie studios and titles who don't really get a big spotlight like E3 every year. It's a shame Sony doesn't think they are as important this year.

So my question is if you had a choice between 10 minutes of a Orchestra or 10 minutes of showcasing indie titles which would you choose?

Savage Tyrant

Sooooo.... No "Red Dead"?

tok9

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

Did Sony really need to spend 10 minutes on the orchestra at the opening?

It seems Xbox is the new home lately for indie games. It's nice at E3 to see big players like Microsoft highlight indie studios and titles who don't really get a big spotlight like E3 every year. It's a shame Sony doesn't think they are as important this year.

So my question is if you had a choice between 10 minutes of a Orchestra or 10 minutes of showcasing indie titles which would you choose?

Do you have to exaggerate everything? The opening song wasn't even 5 minutes long.

That orchestra played throughout the conference so ya, I'll take the orchestra over an indie sizzle reel. I can watch that trailer after like I have done.

J. Marston

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

Did Sony really need to spend 10 minutes on the orchestra at the opening?

That's 10 minutes that could have been spent showcasing amazing indie games coming to PS4. Maybe there wasn't much to show.

It seems Xbox is the new home lately for indie games. It's nice at E3 to see big players like Microsoft highlight indie studios and titles who don't really get a big spotlight like E3 every year. It's a shame Sony doesn't think they are as important this year.

So my question is if you had a choice between 10 minutes of a Orchestra or 10 minutes of showcasing indie titles which would you choose?

Orchestra > Retro Pixel Shooter II.

Andrew76

Cormac... wrote: »

Does Zelda have a release date?

Not sure how I feel about the aesthetic of it. Seems washed out looking imho.
Also, the world seemed pretty, but empty.

I of course it is awesome, but was not blown away at all.

Both versions are out March 2017 when the NX is due out.

The aesthetic reminds me of a cross between Wind Waker and Ico, damn fine in my book. I originally thought the same about the world being a little empty but I think it might just have been the starting area. Edit: Here's a link giving a bit more info, sounds like it'll be busy enough.

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Have they said whether it will be only on the Wii U or will there be a version for NX? Have they mentioned any details on the NX or its lineup so far?

They've said both versions of Zelda will give the "same experience" - not sure if that means they will be identical (considering it started life as a Wii-U title) or whether the NX version will look better.

TitianGerm

I didn't think I'd find to many Orchestra fans in the gaming forum

SolvableKnave

emmetkenny wrote: »

I didn't think I'd find to many Orchestra fans in the gaming forum

Can't beat a good André Rieu concert.

heebusjeebus

MS, the masters of confusion again. Spencer is now saying that Scorpio wont increase frame rate if your TV is 1080p.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-06-15-xbox-boss-phil-spencer-the-big-interview

You should buy [the Xbox One S], because Scorpio is not going to do anything for you

They are missing a trick here. Someone with a 1080p screen, who wants to spend big money for better framerates should be allowed to.
They are actively gimping the Scorpio for no reason only to keep selling the Xbox One S.

Mitch Connor

heebusjeebus wrote: »

MS, the masters of confusion again. Spencer is now saying that Scorpio wont increase frame rate if your TV is 1080p.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-06-15-xbox-boss-phil-spencer-the-big-interview



They are missing a trick here. Someone with a 1080p screen, who wants to spend big money for better framerates should be allowed to.
They are actively gimping the Scorpio for no reason only to keep selling the Xbox One S.

He says it is built as a 4K gaming console, so you need a 4K screen to get the benefit of the design - maybe that includes any framerate improvements, maybe over time we'll find out Spencer was not 100% right here.

As I've said from the start - with the decision that all One games will be playable on Scorpio (and vice-versa, ie. not Scorpio exclusive titles) you are immediately setting on a path where devs either can't or practically won't take full advantage of what the Scorpio could do. Same argument with the Neo.

RasTa

If Sony had this man conducting some people on here would still be moaning

Benzino

Mitch Connor wrote: »

As I've said from the start - with the decision that all One games will be playable on Scorpio (and vice-versa, ie. not Scorpio exclusive titles) you are immediately setting on a path where devs either can't or practically won't take full advantage of what the Scorpio could do. Same argument with the Neo.

If they can do it on PC, no reason why they can't do it on consoles. They can just adjust the graphical settings automatically based on the console version.

Spudman_20000

heebusjeebus wrote: »

MS, the masters of confusion again. Spencer is now saying that Scorpio wont increase frame rate if your TV is 1080p.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-06-15-xbox-boss-phil-spencer-the-big-interview



They are missing a trick here. Someone with a 1080p screen, who wants to spend big money for better framerates should be allowed to.
They are actively gimping the Scorpio for no reason only to keep selling the Xbox One S.

It's confusing alright. I mean, what is the Scorpio and who is it for?

It's going to be like having a Ferrari in the garage and using it for running down to the shops. I'd imagine there will be Scorpio-only games eventually, especially VR ones, but the messaging here again is muddy to say the least.

TitianGerm

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

It's confusing alright. I mean, what is the Scorpio and who is it for?

It's going to be like having a Ferrari in the garage and using it for running down to the shops. I'd imagine there will be Scorpio-only games eventually, especially VR ones, but the messaging here again is muddy to say the least.

I'd love to go for a spin to the shop in a Ferrari:D

Mitch Connor

Benzino wrote: »

If they can do it on PC, no reason why they can't do it on consoles. They can just adjust the graphical settings automatically based on the console version.

SO you think with all the extra memory, CPU and GPU the Scorpio is going to have they could only improve the graphics?

They couldn't improve enemy AI? Or player/NPC count on screen? Or the size of the environments?

I think they could, but won't because the One won't be capable of matching it. Same as Destiny on last gen vs current gen. the only real difference between the two versions was graphics - the current gen versions were massively held back by keeping a level of parity with the last gen.

K.O.Kiki

Soooo all those Xbone games on Windows 10 PCs, and you're complaining about Scorpio being gimped... see where I'm going with this?

Digital Solitude

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Soooo all those Xbone games on Windows 10 PCs, and you're complaining about Scorpio being gimped... see where I'm going with this?

Microsoft are really stupid or really smart, depending on the product

bigphil2

Why would they(MS and Sony btw) make a more powerful console and not make better running games? Smells like bull**** to me..
I reckon that they will see how many units sell and then decide to make exclusive games or not..

Venom

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Soooo all those Xbone games on Windows 10 PCs, and you're complaining about Scorpio being gimped... see where I'm going with this?

Both of the big windows 10 store games, Tomb raider and Quantum something were pretty piss poor versions of said games.

Icyseanfitz

Mitch Connor wrote: »

SO you think with all the extra memory, CPU and GPU the Scorpio is going to have they could only improve the graphics?

They couldn't improve enemy AI? Or player/NPC count on screen? Or the size of the environments?

I think they could, but won't because the One won't be capable of matching it. Same as Destiny on last gen vs current gen. the only real difference between the two versions was graphics - the current gen versions were massively held back by keeping a level of parity with the last gen.

Welcome to PC gaming

heebusjeebus

It's nearly on par with the Don Mattrick line "No internet, then stick with the 360".
They turned that round pretty quick at least. I can see the same happen here.

Digital Solitude

bigphil2 wrote: »

Why would they(MS and Sony btw) make a more powerful console and not make better running games? Smells like bull**** to me..
I reckon that they will see how many units sell and then decide to make exclusive games or not..

Because the current consoles can't run games any better? Compared to PC, consoles are averagely Medium graphical settings at 30fps. They can't push 60fps in most games above 720p, and it would be laughable if all games were Medium, 720p just to run at 60fps.

MiskyBoyy

heebusjeebus wrote:

It's nearly on par with the Don Mattrick line "No internet, then stick with the 360". They turned that round pretty quick at least. I can see the same happen here.

Nothing like that at all.

Don Mattrick was a serious bellend.

Links234

emmetkenny wrote: »

I didn't think I'd find to many Orchestra fans in the gaming forum

Oh, on the contrary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNk1ddf4XMI

johnny_ultimate

Venom wrote: »

Both of the big windows 10 store games, Tomb raider and Quantum something were pretty piss poor versions of said games.

Forza is perhaps a slightly more encouraging herald. Runs really well.

The Windows Store and interface are horrid, though, and unfortunately I fear the pricing of some of the games may make even Steam RRP seem reasonable - and without the benefit of competing sellers.

The sound effects in Cuphead will become quickly grating.

Generic Dreadhead

I heard there was a Studio Ghibli reference in here, I came as fast as I could

Venom

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Forza is perhaps a slightly more encouraging herald. Runs really well.

The Windows Store and interface are horrid, though, and unfortunately I fear the pricing of some of the games may make even Steam RRP seem reasonable - and without the benefit of competing sellers.

Damm right they need to do something. Quantium Break is €70 in the store. 70 fcuking quid!

FAILSAFE 00

Can't wait for the Phil Spencer Xbox Scorpio.

It's going to be a defining moment in console gaming.

I'll skip the Xbox One S. It's very tempting though. It looks glorious.

I wonder what Sony's plan is to counter it. They might have only expected MS to make a slight upgrade like the PS4 Neo not a gen jump like the Scorpio.

Penn

bigphil2 wrote: »

Why would they(MS and Sony btw) make a more powerful console and not make better running games? Smells like bull**** to me..
I reckon that they will see how many units sell and then decide to make exclusive games or not..

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

Can't wait for the Phil Spencer Xbox Scorpio.

It's going to be a defining moment in console gaming.

I'll skip the Xbox One S. It's very tempting though. It looks glorious.

I wonder what Sony's plan is to counter it. They might have only expected MS to make a slight upgrade like the PS4 Neo not a gen jump like the Scorpio.

That's the thing though, Scorpio isn't next-gen. That's why they're going to be limited to keeping games similar to other versions of the XBox One (aside from graphical upgrades).

I don't doubt the graphical capabilities of the Scorpio (well, they haven't shown anything to doubt), but if they're saying all games will be playable on all versions of the XBox One, then all versions of the XBox One have to be able to play the game. To me, that means the only difference between the One and the Scorpio will be graphics and probably faster loading time.

Like Mitch Connor said, it won't improve things like enemy AI or environment size or number of NPCs.

lawlolawl

Microsoft cut the line about having the highest quality pixels from the official youtube video about the scorpion

Also, Phil Spencer told an interviewer that the Scorpio won't do anything extra over a traditional One if you have anything other than a 4K TV, no increased framerate or anything. The framerate of games is apparently going to be the same on the One and Scorpio by design. The Scorpio is just upscaling 720/1080p games to 4k. That's it.

Then he turned around and for some reason started talking about how the Wii won last generation on price despite being the weakest console, presume that was about the One-S

I'm not sure what's going on over at MS anymore.

MiskyBoyy

Penn wrote: »

Like Mitch Connor said, it won't improve things like enemy AI or environment size or number of NPCs.

In PC games, none of this changes if you buy the latest, greatest GPU. Why would it on console?

lawlolawl

MiskyBoyy wrote: »

In PC games, none of this changes if you buy the latest, greatest GPU. Why would it on console?

Yeah but your framerate and other visual effects will.

The Scorpio isn't even doing that

I'm calling it now. That video and the entire concept of Scorpio was dreamt up last Wednesday afternoon.

Mitch Connor

MiskyBoyy wrote: »

In PC games, none of this changes if you buy the latest, greatest GPU. Why would it on console?

So there is no difference in the size of games, or quality of AI, between a 360 and an Xbox One? Destiny is as good as it could be on the One (and PS4), wasn't held back by 360 and PS3?

The point is the extra power of the new console versions could produce bigger and 'better' games, not just prettier textures - by forcing parity (and I understand the 'why' of the situation) across the family you are stopping developers from making the best games they could on the superior machine versions.

All these new console versions will offer (it seems) is prettier graphics - when it could be much more. It annoys me that the new console versions will be hamstrung in such a way - it lessens the point in them being created. Just wait a little longer, create an even better console and call it a new gen with backwards compatibility - at least then we'd see games fulfilling the potential of the hardware, maybe.

MiskyBoyy

lawlolawl wrote: »

I'm calling it now. That video and the entire concept of Scorpio was dreamt up last Wednesday afternoon.

Oh absolutely.... :rolleyes:

Reports back in May say otherwise.
http://kotaku.com/sources-smaller-xbox-one-coming-this-year-more-powerf-1778634446

Icyseanfitz

If you own a windows 10 gaming PC is there even a small reason to buy an Xbox anymore? Saying that I've a PC+ps4 and this will be my last generation owning a console ever, just gathering dust and used for Netflix! Nothing but f**king remasters anyway

Benzino

Mitch Connor wrote: »

SO you think with all the extra memory, CPU and GPU the Scorpio is going to have they could only improve the graphics?

They couldn't improve enemy AI? Or player/NPC count on screen? Or the size of the environments?

Of course they could increase the number of npc's on screen, especially for a game like gta, like wise draw distance.

Penn

MiskyBoyy wrote: »

In PC games, none of this changes if you buy the latest, greatest GPU. Why would it on console?

I was just responding to Failsafe's comment about Scorpio being a "gen jump", and bigphil's comment wondering about future exclusive Scorpio games.

All the Scorpio is offering is 4K gaming. It's still an XBox One and will be playing XBox One games. It's still part of this gen of game consoles.

heebusjeebus

MiskyBoyy wrote: »

Oh absolutely.... :rolleyes:

Reports back in May say otherwise.
http://kotaku.com/sources-smaller-xbox-one-coming-this-year-more-powerf-1778634446

They definitely only knocked up the video in an afternoon:

http://www.kotaku.co.uk/2016/06/14/project-scorpio-will-no-longer-feature-the-highest-quality-pixels-that-anybody-has-seen

MiskyBoyy

Penn wrote: »

All the Scorpio is offering is 4K gaming. It's still an XBox One and will be playing XBox One games. It's still part of this gen of game consoles.

I think that's the point. They're trying to get rid of this gen thing and make it more like PC where your games will continue to work on the next better console in the future.

Digital Solitude

Mitch Connor wrote: »

So there is no difference in the size of games, or quality of AI, between a 360 and an Xbox One? Destiny is as good as it could be on the One (and PS4), wasn't held back by 360 and PS3?

Who said that? In your own words, all the new console will do is make games prettier.

If the Scorpio had smarter AI and more enemies etc. Then Scorpio games wouldn't be the same as Xbox One games. There wouldn't be any way of making multiplayer possible if they had differences like that. Co-op, they have to have the same enemy numbers, how would the Scorpio player have extra or smarter enemies, it wouldn't work at all. Stuff like FIFA, if the Scorpios defenders have smarter AI than the Xbox One players, the Scorpio guy has a clear advantage.

_Redzer_

That's a good point. I remember when BF3 got reduced player count and other reductions compared to PC.

Can imagine as the PS4 and X1 age and the PC powers further along that the neo and scorpio will be held back. They'll look great, but it'll still have the barebones and limitations of weakest system.

I really like the idea of a really powerful console, but to be honest, I think I'd prefer a new console generation in 2018, 5 years after the PS4 and X1 that can stand on its own legs.

Retr0gamer

I've yet to play a game on the current gen of consoles that couldn't be easily handled by the previous gen with a reduction in graphical quality. Doubt Scorpio would upset the status quo even if it didn't have to support Xbox One.

TitianGerm

_Redzer_ wrote: »

That's a good point. I remember when BF3 got reduced player count and other reductions compared to PC.

Can imagine as the PS4 and X1 age and the PC powers further along that the neo and scorpio will be held back. They'll look great, but it'll still have the barebones and limitations of weakest system.

I really like the idea of a really powerful console, but to be honest, I think I'd prefer a new console generation in 2018, 5 years after the PS4 and X1 that can stand on its own legs.

I think someone mentioned it earlier but this Gen were real recession machines.

Also tech has advanced a lot quicker between 360/PS3 and One/PS4 than Xbox/PS2 and 360/PS3. I'd say this will be a short gen and then going forward we could expect 5 year generation cycles from Consoles (I don't think we will ever see an eight year gap again)