E3 2016 - June 12th to 14th

FAILSAFE 00

Penn wrote: »

Okay, just answer me this, and after that, I'm simply not going to discuss it any more:

- Can you play an Xbox One game on your 360 with the same disk? (eg. not a game like Fifa or Destiny released on both versions, but the same XB1 disk)

That's what the difference is between a console generation. Where the game is that much more advanced that the previous console isn't powerful enough to run it.

You are talking about next gen games, not next gen consoles.

Both Sony and Microsoft's future consoles will all support games from PS4 and Xbox One upwards. Your argument about the 360 and Xbox One isn't valid because all future gens will let you play games back as far as XB1 & PS4.

CiDeRmAn

There are no Scorpio games, just Xbox One games that will look better on it.
To be satisfied with that is to suggest that the PS4 would have been satisfactory if all it hosted were remasters of PS3 games.

ERG89

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

Watch Dogs was another one. The PC title was clearly gimped to make sure it looked closer to the PS4 version.

Then some nice PC folk found the settings inside the game code that activated way better visuals that had been turned off on the PC version.

But the game was bad for other reasons no?
Funny how so many threads go this direction

CastorTroy

Haven't read all the comments, but I'd say there's a chance they may have the Scorpio/Neo version of the games as a patch to download, instead of including on the disk. Not the whole game, but just like a HD texture pack. Would also mean the devs have more time to tweak things to get it looking better on Scorpio/Neo

CiDeRmAn

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

Its a 4K gaming console thats made with game devs in mind.

It's a console that will play 4K enabled ports from the Xbox One

The damage as you put it has been long repaired. Just look at last November to December on Xbox One. Packed full of great exclusives and over on PS4 no AAA titles came until March 2016 with Sony not even showing up at Gamescom.

Console sales say no, that the damage to the Xbox brand is right there, as an also ran to the PS4's ongoing success.
And the consoles sales outside the US are worse again.
Only in the US is the console doing well, and even then only as well as it's main rival.
In Japan the Xbox One might as well not exist, and in Europe and other regions it lags way behind.

Like Nintendo, these numbers would be meaningless if it had exclusives people wanted to play, but I am unable to pick a single must have title out of the range MS have lined up that I must own.
I'll get Forza Horizon 3, maybe Gears of War at some point, but little else, and, as I've said, this is reflected in the small nature of my XB1 collection, despite my 360, PS3 and now PS4 titles being numerous.

Venom

Kirby wrote: »

He did that so people would buy the now pointless Xbox slim version. If you proclaim loudly to the world "This is our new next gen console!" then your old stuff stops selling. It's PR speak.

If you come out with a console that is 4 times more powerful than the previous one......how can it not be "next-gen"? He's just trying to be clever.

But most console players don't give a monkeys about the hardware and its only the quality of the games that makes them next gen. Scorpio may well be 4 times more powerful but if that power can never be used except to bump up resolutions under certain circumstances it can't be considered a next gen device.

If you go from playing Minesweeper on a 5 year old netbook to playing it on a top of the line GTX 1080 SLI moster PC, is Minesweeper now a next gen game?

johnny_ultimate

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

Watch Dogs was another one. The PC title was clearly gimped to make sure it looked closer to the PS4 version.

Then some nice PC folk found the settings inside the game code that activated way better visuals that had been turned off on the PC version.

It's about more than visuals though, although I'd suggest that the more powerful tech available the more visuals can feed into the design. If a game relies on robust facial animation or lighting system, for example, they might not be directly translatable to previous gen tech. Nobody doubts the same basic game can exist on better tech, just prettier. The game doesn't fundamentally change however.

I bring up Shadow of Mordor as an example not because they were technically awful visually speaking (they were), but because the PS3 and 360 versions had to simplify the core game mechanics - the Nemesis system in particular. That to me highlights the stark potential difference between 'this gen' and 'next gen' or 'last gen' - the gameplay itself relying on the advances. And that's where the new premium consoles will lack if they transpire to be nothing more than glorified upscalers.

FAILSAFE 00

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

There are no Scorpio games, just Xbox One games that will look better on it.

Yes, and the games will look incredible in glorious native 4k. Sounds great to me.

You don't see PC games that are ONLY for 4k. They work on a wide variety of PCs from entry level to enthusiast.

What they are saying is that all the Scorpio games will run on the Xbox One also. Much the same as a PC games developer making a game that can be played from 4K all the way down to 720p without changing the gameplay experience.

They will simply optimise games to run on the Xbox One.

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

To be satisfied with that is to suggest that the PS4 would have been satisfactory if all it hosted were remasters of PS3 games.

Your example is ridiculous though. How do PC games do it then.

FAILSAFE 00

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

It's a console that will play 4K enabled ports from the Xbox One

Nope. They mentioned native 4K gaming so they'll start high and work their way down.

It's going to be a massive jump for console gamers and I am looking forward to see what Sony put forward to compete. Right now its looking like Sony will be left in the light weight division but that might only be for a while. We will see next year.

lawlolawl

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Only in the US is the console doing well, and even then only as well as it's main rival.

If by doing well you mean: "Getting outsold at a 2:1 ratio at numerous points over the last 2 years." They are still getting utterly shellacked in their most successful territory.

The One gets outsold by both the original PSP and the 360 most weeks in Japan. It is being outsold in EU nations by ratios from 4:1 up to 12:1.

It has been a sales catastrophe for MS and their answer is more console SKUs, porting everything to PC and sequels to franchises that people have completely gone cold on over the past few years.

K.O.Kiki

To reiterate: Xbox Scorpio is around the same power as AMD R9 390x, which means native 4k30 is barely achievable.

Penn

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

You are talking about next gen games, not next gen consoles.

Both Sony and Microsoft's future consoles will all support games from PS4 and Xbox One upwards. Your argument about the 360 and Xbox One isn't valid because all future gens will let you play games back as far as XB1 & PS4.

But that's the crux of the issue, because if while Scorpio will let you play games from the XB1 launch forward (and probably 360 games too), games will get to a point where they cannot run on a launch XB1. As Phil Spencer said, there will be no Scorpio-exclusive games. That means either games will have to be restricted to what the launch XB1s can handle, or Phil Spencer is lying when he said:

"When you're buying a console game from us, you know that console game will run on your original Xbox. No-one gets left behind. We said that on stage. Your Xbox One S and Scorpio. That's an important design point for us. They're all part of the same family. And we want to make sure just like when you're buying your music today, you don't worry about upgrading to a new phone that somehow won't play your old songs or your new songs. We think about your Xbox One collection of games that will move with you between those different consoles.

In fact, somebody today will have an Xbox One, and when Scorpio comes out they will buy Scorpio and they will put Xbox One in a different room, and we're obviously going to make sure that as they move between rooms that they've got access to the same games.

The Scorpio games are obviously designed to take advantage of six teraflops and 4K. Your Xbox One, you were playing those today. You know what those look like and feel like. But there won't be Scorpio exclusive console games. Absolutely not."

Now, you and others may be happy to dismiss that as "PR Speak". I'd call it lying. Unnecessary lying too because if the reason he's saying that is to not deter people from buying the One S, they didn't have to say anything about the Scorpio at all. They didn't have a console to show, or games to show. Nothing. They could have left it at the One S and left the Scorpio until next year.

So either the Scorpio is just an XB1 with better graphic capabilities (which is fine, nobody is complaining about that), or Phil Spencer flat out lied and is willfully deceiving fans.

jcd5971

FAILSAFE 00 wrote:

It's going to be a massive jump for console gamers and I am looking forward to see what Sony put forward to compete. Right now its looking like Sony will be left in the light weight division but that might only be for a while. We will see next year.

They don't appear to be overly worried, I'd just hope they don't announce a spec jump now as well to match Scorpio because that would be lies too.

FAILSAFE 00 wrote:

Nope. They mentioned native 4K gaming so they'll start high and work their way down.

I'm going to keep saying this is bull ****, right up until I see it live with my own 2 eyes, it makes no sense there is no way this thing could be done for.cheaper than 700 800 euro at best, and then it's even with a gaming Pc when the newest card comes out you just slot it in. How would that work on Scorpio/neo whatever.

Also Microsoft have done this before anyone rember the kinect launch announcement? Big promises never delivered

This should be seen for what it is a 4k upscaler.

FAILSAFE 00

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

To reiterate: Xbox Scorpio is around the same power as AMD R9 390x, which means native 4k30 is barely achievable.

Actually its based on new tech from AMD that won't release until next year.

They won't release a 4k native gaming system for anything less than 30 fps. Thats a given.

FAILSAFE 00

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

Much the same as a PC games developer making a game that can be played from 4K all the way down to 720p without changing the gameplay experience.

Gonna call you up on that one. There can be a hell of a lot of difference here, even between 1080p and 720p. In particular in startegy/simulation games with a ton of UI elements and probably many game world entities on screen. (Also, I'd harken back to the tiny text in Dead Rising on the X360.)

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

To reiterate: Xbox Scorpio is around the same power as AMD R9 390x, which means native 4k30 is barely achievable.

Interesting read from Ars Technica: Xbox Project Scorpio: Will it really do 4K?

To be honest, all I can see it coming down to is "my 4K dick is bigger than yours" and "my pixels are less compressed". I own X360, PS3, PS4, Xbox One. If I had to sell any one of those consoles, it would be the Xbox One. My reason? The games and the OS. PS4 has far more interesting titles, and the Xbox One interface is a chore to use. 4K won't fix that.

SolvableKnave

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

Nope. They mentioned native 4K gaming so they'll start high and work their way down.

It's going to be a massive jump for console gamers and I am looking forward to see what Sony put forward to compete. Right now its looking like Sony will be left in the light weight division but that might only be for a while. We will see next year.

How many people have 4K TV's? How many, of the numerous cable providers across all regions, provide 4K services? I know Netflix are rolling out their 4K service soon/now. Purchase of a Scorpio and 4k TV is gonna cost quite a chunk.

IMO, 4K gaming will be in the same boat as 3D and VR, a technical accomplishment but a niche experience, at least for a while. 3D was the Next Big Thing and is back where it came from. VR is the current Next Big Thing and, while we may see an initial flood of titles, I honestly don't think it will have the staying power. Of these 3 Next Big Thing's, 4K will be the slow burner but will come to be the norm, when the hardware becomes affordable and cable providers actually migrate their services over, as happened with SD to HD.

heebusjeebus

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

Actually its based on new tech from AMD that won't release until next year.

They won't release a 4k native gaming system for anything less than 30 fps. Thats a given.

The XBox 1, can barely manage 1080/30 so I dont see how you've so much faith in Scorpio providing 4K/30 with only vague specs announced.

K.O.Kiki

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

Actually its based on new tech from AMD that won't release until next year.

They won't release a 4k native gaming system for anything less than 30 fps. Thats a given.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-xbox-one-project-scorpio-spec-analysis

Based on existing AMD Radeon technology, the bottom line is that 6TF of GPU power isn't enough to power a convincing 4K experience. AMD's R9 390X offers around 5.9TF and struggles to push 4K resolution at anything like 30fps on modern PC titles. Now, we can assume that the move to the next-gen GCN architecture will give us some efficiency improvements, but it's hard to believe that this is enough to turn a 390X-level GPU into a top-tier Radeon R9 Fury X equivalent (8.4TF).

And they've already proven that they're perfectly willing to release a console that struggles to deliver 1080p60 gameplay.

Not to be a knob, but you're coming off as a mindless fanboy.

MiskyBoyy

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Not to be a knob, but you're coming off as a mindless fanboy.

If we're going to start calling names. There's plenty of other "fanboys" in here.

Let's not go down that road eh...

Sieghardt

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

The developers of Hawken have actually just spoken about how complex the console porting process can be: http://www.kotaku.co.uk/2016/06/15/porting-a-pc-game-to-console-is-not-always-as-easy-as-it-sounds

It is far, far from a case of just down rendering to 900p/1080p and hit the release button. Some games simply cannot be ported, due to the complexity of the controls, UI or other features.

Hawken is extremely dumbed down and simplified compared to Armored Core AND their UI developer recently passed away, what an awful example to try to use

FAILSAFE 00

jcd5971 wrote: »

They don't appear to be overly worried, I'd just hope they don't announce a spec jump now as well to match Scorpio because that would be lies too.



I'm going to keep saying this is bull ****, right up until I see it live with my own 2 eyes, it makes no sense there is no way this thing could be done for.cheaper than 700 800 euro at best, and then it's even with a gaming Pc when the newest card comes out you just slot it in. How would that work on Scorpio/neo whatever.

Also Microsoft have done this before anyone rember the kinect launch announcement? Big promises never delivered

This should be seen for what it is a 4k upscaler.

No one is saying it can be done cheaper. We don't know the price.

Although interestingly enough graphics cards are currently moving up a gen and from AMD we are seeing significant price drops and greatly improved performance.

Don Mattrick was running the Xbox for the inception and launch of Xbox One. Phil Spencer brought the Xbox One back into terrific shape after a poor launch. when he took over one of the areas he focused on was delivering on backwards compatibility. Which is the most requested feature for both PS4 and Xbox One. Xbox gave it away for free whereas the competition want to charge for renting games from previous gens.

Its a native 4K gaming device. Its not a 4k upscaler. The Xbox One S is the 4K upscaler.

FAILSAFE 00

heebusjeebus wrote: »

The XBox 1, can barely manage 1080/30 so I dont see how you've so much faith in Scorpio providing 4K/30 with only vague specs announced.

Isn't that really their motivation for wanting to finally deliver on a true next gen gaming experience.

I think we can all agree that both PS4 and Xbox One were a very under powered console generation jump.

Retr0gamer

OK can we stop calling people fanboys.

Also on a similar note FAILSAFE, having a signature with project scorpio and ignoring the well researched analysis from Digital Foundry who would be considered experts in this field is not helping your case here.

FAILSAFE 00

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-xbox-one-project-scorpio-spec-analysis

Based on current tech. AMD will launching a new line of GPU architecture in 2017 called Vega. Which will be another leap forward. This is most likely what the Scorpio will be based on.

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

And they've already proven that they're perfectly willing to release a console that struggles to deliver 1080p60 gameplay.

The PS4 also struggles to deliver 1080p 60FPS gameplay. Uncharted 4 is 30 FPS, Battlefield 4 is 900p and 60 FPS on PS4 so its more correct to say both the Xbox One and PS4 struggle to deliver 1080p at 60 fps.

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Not to be a knob, but you're coming off as a mindless fanboy.

Can you not simply engage in a conversion and use interesting points to improve your posts instead of pulling out the mindless FB card.

FAILSAFE 00

Retr0gamer wrote: »

OK can we stop calling people fanboys.

Also on a similar note FAILSAFE, having a signature with project scorpio and ignoring the well researched analysis from Digital Foundry who would be considered experts in this field is not helping your case here.

I am not ignoring anything.

I am a big supporter of Richard at Digital Foundry however they cannot analyse tech that that has not been released yet. They can only test what has been released.

I look forward to their analysis on Scorpio when they can actually test it.

MiskyBoyy

I still find it incredible the Xbox ONE S is going to be the cheapest UHD Blu-Ray disc player on the market! :eek:

FAILSAFE 00

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

The PS4 also struggles to deliver 1080p 60FPS gameplay. Uncharted 4 is 30 FPS, Battlefield 4 is 900p and 60 FPS on PS4 so its more correct to say both the Xbox One and PS4 struggle to deliver 1080p at 60 fps.

Agree on this, they were both underpowered.

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

I am not ignoring anything.

I am a big supporter of Richard at Digital Foundry however they cannot analyse tech that that has not been released yet. They can only test what has been released.

I look forward to their analysis on Scorpio when they can actually test it.

Pot...kettle...black.

Venom

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

Based on current tech. AMD will launching a new line of GPU architecture in 2017 called Vega. Which will be another leap forward. This is most likely what the Scorpio will be based on.

Even if the Scorpio is based on Vega and the tech is as good as is claimed which given AMD's past PR stunts is not a certainty, the cost of the console is going to be the better part of €1000 euro and offer nothing more than 4k@30 fps over existing Xbox1 games. I just can't see many people buying this new device even if they have a 4K TV considering how important the cost of a console is when compared to its rivals.

FAILSAFE 00

Deleted User wrote: »

Pot...kettle...black.

Microsoft have said its a native 4k gaming machine so we know thats what the finished product will be. Their promo video right out of the gate says native 4K gaming. They will work with their partners AMD to come up with hardware to do so.

Xbox division has never came out and stated that the Xbox One would be native 1080p and 60 fps console. That came initially from Sony when the PS4 launched but died down a bit when it became less possible as games got more demanding and both consoles began to use dynamic resolution scaling to maintain consistent frame rates.

lawlolawl

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

Microsoft have said its a native 4k gaming machine so we know thats what the finished product will be.

The same as the One was going to be always online and the Kinect was an integral part of it?

C'mon guy, MS have been a disaster since the first time they mentioned the One.

FAILSAFE 00

Venom wrote: »

Even if the Scorpio is based on Vega and the tech is as good as is claimed which given AMD's past PR stunts is not a certainty, the cost of the console is going to be the better part of €1000 euro and offer nothing more than 4k@30 fps over existing Xbox1 games. I just can't see many people buying this new device even if they have a 4K TV considering how important the cost of a console is when compared to its rivals.

We don't know what it will cost.

Remember Microsoft isn't buying AMD hardware at consumer prices. We can easily price a 4K PC and say Microsoft will have to charge over €1,000 but if we price the same PC at trade prices it would come well under that.

AMD most likely are working with Microsoft to make something unique for the Scorpio. I actually think at some stage Microsoft might purchase AMD.

FAILSAFE 00

lawlolawl wrote: »

The same as the One was going to be always online and the Kinect was an integral part of it?

C'mon guy, MS have been a disaster since the first time they mentioned the One.

Indeed. That goes back to Don Mattricks Xbox division.

This division is now run by Phil Spencer and I think most people can say he delivers on his promises as we have all seen on Xbox One since he took over.

The change on Xbox One since Phil took over has been radical. Ask anyone here or in the Xbox forum who has owned an Xbox One since day 1 back in 2013.

Can you support your claim that the Xbox One has been a disaster since launch? I bet you cannot.

Venom

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

We don't know what it will cost.

Remember Microsoft isn't buying AMD hardware at consumer prices. We can easily price a 4K PC and say Microsoft will have to charge over €1,000 but if we price the same PC at trade prices it would come well under that.

AMD most likely are working with Microsoft to make something unique for the Scorpio. I actually think at some stage Microsoft might purchase AMD.

Phil Spencer mention the Scorpio would be a Premium device and once any piece of tech is referred to as premium you know it will be expensive.

AMD is not in a strong enough position financially to spend the kind of resources needed to be able to work with MS on just the Scorpio. Whatever GPU is going in that console will just be a cut down version of there new card, if it is in fact based on there new card.

FAILSAFE 00

Venom wrote: »

Phil Spencer mention the Scorpio would be a Premium device and once any piece of tech is referred to as premium you know it will be expensive.


Agreed. We all know it will be expensive. Its a 4K gaming console so no one is expecting it to be cheap.

Venom wrote: »

AMD is not in a strong enough position financially to spend the kind of resources needed to be able to work with MS on just the Scorpio. Whatever GPU is going in that console will just be a cut down version of there new card, if it is in fact based on there new card.

You don't know if thats the case. How much would it take for them to be able to work with Microsoft?

K.O.Kiki

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

AMD has less than half of Nvidia's marketshare in gaming GPUs, and is severely outclassed in CPU marketshare by Intel.

http://www.amd.com/en-us/press-releases/Pages/press-release-2016apr21.aspx

They're also still losing money.

lawlolawl

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

Can you support your claim that the Xbox One has been a disaster since launch? I bet you cannot.

Awful sales figures and desperate scrambling to give people any reason to buy a One aren't enough reason for you?

You do realize that MS are more than likely using to Scorpio as a last gasp attempt at capturing the console market before they pull out of it entirely? Head office have been keeping a very close eye on the division according to insiders.

This forum is about the only place that isn't treating the whole thing as an embarrassing laughing stock. A guy in their mic-drop E3 video said "the highest quality pixels anybody has seen" without a hint of irony.

bigphil2

lawlolawl wrote: »

A guy in their mic-drop E3 video said "the highest quality pixels anybody has seen" without a hint of irony.

Im imagining Trump saying it "I know pixels,and we have the best pixels..."

wes

lawlolawl wrote: »

Head office have been keeping a very close eye on the division according to insiders.

The head office just bought LinkedIn for no good reason that anyone in the industry can understand.

lawlolawl

wes wrote: »

The head office just bought LinkedIn for no good reason that anyone in the industry can understand.

26 billion for a website that makes no money is a bit of a puzzler.

MiskyBoyy

lawlolawl wrote: »

26 billion for a website that makes no money is a bit of a puzzler.

Making $3 billion in 2015 is no money to you? :eek:

I can't see how LinkedIn has anything to do with E3 tho.

Stone Deaf 4evr

lawlolawl wrote: »

You do realize that MS are more than likely using to Scorpio as a last gasp attempt at capturing the console market before they pull out of it entirely? Head office have been keeping a very close eye on the division according to insiders.

lol.

top tier reporting right there.

Gizmo55

lawlolawl wrote: »

Awful sales figures and desperate scrambling to give people any reason to buy a One aren't enough reason for you?

You do realize that MS are more than likely using to Scorpio as a last gasp attempt at capturing the console market before they pull out of it entirely? Head office have been keeping a very close eye on the division according to insiders.

This forum is about the only place that isn't treating the whole thing as an embarrassing laughing stock. A guy in their mic-drop E3 video said "the highest quality pixels anybody has seen" without a hint of irony.

One sales haven't been great of course compared to PS4, but I doubt Scorpio is a last gasp attempt. They're clearly in it for the long haul.

Retr0gamer

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

Microsoft have said its a native 4k gaming machine so we know thats what the finished product will be. Their promo video right out of the gate says native 4K gaming. They will work with their partners AMD to come up with hardware to do so.

The Xbox 360 and PS3 were native 1080p machines that promised 1080p gaming. How many triple A games hit that target?

Stone Deaf 4evr

Gizmo55 wrote: »

One sales haven't been great of course compared to PS4, but I doubt Scorpio is a last gasp attempt. They're clearly in it for the long haul.

If anything its a statement of intent that they're trying to blur the lines between PC and console.

Falthyron

Retr0gamer wrote: »

The Xbox 360 and PS3 were native 1080p machines that promised 1080p gaming. How many triple A games hit that target?

So was the Xbox One and PS4, but they can't hit 1080p 60fps. :pac:

As I mentioned previously, the Hank Scorpio and PS4.5 will probably hit 4K, but not a hope of 60fps as well. They might make players decide between 4K and 30fps, and 1440p and 60 fps with options placed in some games.

Retr0gamer

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

AMD most likely are working with Microsoft to make something unique for the Scorpio. I actually think at some stage Microsoft might purchase AMD.

No, no they aren't. It will be a version of a currently existing piece of tech, possibly with EDRAM to match the Xbox One hardware configuration. They won't be making something unique because it costs too much money and it makes more sense to stick a working design that is proven on X86000 tech into a x86000 based machine, just like they did with the One and PS4. Also this won't be based on top of the line hardware.

Top of the line cards are normally sold at a pretty significant loss with the consumer level cards making money. The 1080 is being sold at a loss by NVidia with the 1070 being the card that makes money. Even then the 1070 is a significant piece of kit that costs about as much as a brand new console on its own. There's no way to fit something like that into a consumer console and not charge 800+ for it. It will target a lower than consumer level card just like the PS4 and One but make up for it since it's a closed system and easier to optimise for.

Gizmo55

@Stone Deaf Yeah, it's clear.

jcd5971

FAILSAFE 00 wrote:

Actually its based on new tech from AMD that won't release until next year.

I assume your talking about the new 14nm chipset polaris?.

If so 3dcenter have spotted shipment leaks pointing at a price ranging from 1400-1700.

There is a cheaper budget polaris for 140 price but is less impressive on stats, but I'm under the impression this is for laptops and cheaper pc's(open to correction).

Again I'm not saying that it's technologically unachievable in a console just it's cost prohibitive

wes

MiskyBoyy wrote: »

I can't see how LinkedIn has anything to do with E3 tho.

You brought up MS head office, and I taught it prudent to point out, that they don't seem to have a clue what there doing themselves.

wes

Falthyron wrote: »

So was the Xbox One and PS4, but they can't hit 1080p 60fps. :pac:

As I mentioned previously, the Hank Scorpio and PS4.5 will probably hit 4K, but not a hope of 60fps as well. They might make players decide between 4K and 30fps, and 1440p and 60 fps with options placed in some games.

I honestly would be ok with 1440p at 60fps. Throw in some up scaling for 4K TVs, and I am sure it would look great.