25 Syrian families to be housed in Limerick

El_Duderino 09

ShiddyArze wrote:

The problem is Islam I think, I am not religious, but I wouldn't mind Syrian Christians, Its the Muslims I wouldn't like to see living next door

I'm not a fan of any of the religions and muslims can be a bit mad when they let religion get mixed up with culture. On an individual level, the muslims I've met have been as normal as could be. Same motivations as anyone else, earn a crust, play with their children, sleep well at night and have an aul pray.

People in that part of the world have values around family and community that irish people could definately identify with.

ShiddyArze wrote:

Regular folk don't wear masks over there face, They don't attack women for not wearing said mask. Regular folk allow there women to work and to do things without being accompanied by a man..

Regular people do wear masks. My nan wore a head scarf which is pretty weird by today's standards. The point is that integration means they can chat with the neighbours and things like wearing masks become irrelevant because you know loads about the person. If all you know is the physical appearance, then a mask would be Scarry and i understand your fear.

Some of my neighbours come into the shop with animal excrement all over their wellies and on their clothes. If they can fit in, then wearing a mask isn't the end of conversation.

love humanity wrote:

Being realistic. The influx of millions of men from very mysogynistic cultures have wreaked havoc on the quality of life, personal safety and freedom of women in germany, austria, sweden and denmark and more. The only logical solution i see is, spending BILLIONS to look after and care for the migrants in the war free safe areas where they are now, such as Lebanon, Jordan, Turkey etc.. Focus the money there and care for them. When Syria reaches peace again, build up the country like there is no tomorrow and then they can go back home and create a happy life there again. There are literally millions of ways of helping less fortunate people in other countries without inviting them all over to live with us.

I jumped the gun a bit there. I agree that the long term solution is to fix that part of the world but stability in 15 years is scant consolation to a homeless family of refugees, today. Integration of a few families should be simple for a civilised country.

celligraphy

I hope they enjoy living in limerick I have seen a few Facebook posts from people ranting about how they 'll be housed and how they are waiting over so many years for a house most of these people complaining are on the dole/disability and go on three Spanish holidays a year drive a new car and sell drugs ....

stefanovich

OfTheMarsWongs wrote:

I have no problem with refugees moving to the city/county. They're coming from a warzone. Ordinary everyday people, plumbers, mechanics, teachers, nurses, doctors.

There are very very dangerous people masquerading as refugees. How do you know they are all ordinary people or even Syrian for that matter?

stefanovich

Mysogyny is okay as long as they are not white males. Did you not get the memo?

OfTheMarsWongs

stefanovich wrote: »

There are very very dangerous people masquerading as refugees. How do you know they are all ordinary people or even Syrian for that matter?

Terrorists organisations aren't gonna take the time/ a chance and send some lads across the Mediterranean in a rickedy dingy. They have the money and resources to send people by regular means.

Imagine, hypothetically, the US invaded our West Coast, we all pile into a dingy and head for Wales. We get there and someone says "Hold on! Irish? I heard some Irish people were in the IRA. Not taking the chance, no Irish people allowed in!". Would you be happy to keep rowing to France?

roast

stefanovich wrote: »

There are very very dangerous people masquerading as refugees. How do you know they are all ordinary people or even Syrian for that matter?

Are you happy enough to write them all off as mad rapist fanatics then? Or do you have a better description? Better close off all of the borders just in case, can't chance it.

_Brian

stefanovich wrote: »

There are very very dangerous people masquerading as refugees. How do you know they are all ordinary people or even Syrian for that matter?

As there are very very dangerous people already living in Limerick, how do you tell them from ordinary decent Limerick people??
So do we damn all people because there are potentially very bad people among them, because if that's the case wouldn't Limerick be a sure place to be neutralised based on the known bad people who live there?

yop

We've a shed load of dangerous people living in Ireland as we are though (http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0524/790549-dublin-firearms/).

I'm on the fence on this one, as said already, back in the 70s/80s was it assumed all Irish were IRA members? "No Irish, No blacks".
When I was living on Mary street I had to pass through an army checkpoint which was checking who was going in and out of the estate during the Dunden/Keane feud in the 2000's.

That said, the reports out of Germany do make me very uneasy. I heard a report that 90% of the refugees were single males in their 20's, of course you can't assume. They are reporting a massive increase in rapes, again you can't assume.

Then I heard a discussion with a guy in a town in Mayo, "Oh they've taken in 30 ISIS into our town, we don't want them"....the truth behind it is that they took in 7 families, women, men and kids.

scream

The Irish government will spend 640 million of taxpayer money on Foreign Aid this year alone. Our government will also spend 25 million of taxpayer money as part of the multi billion euro bribe to Erdogan. Our government is using taxpayer money to keep mulitiple naval vessels in the Med acting as a floating taxi service for migrants. How much more are the Irish people supposed to do or give?

There are many thousands of people on the social housing waiting lists, many thousands on the waiting lists for surgery and we have shockingly long lists of people waiting to be seen by consultants in the health service. Our social housing, schools and medical services are all seriously underfunded and will continue to be but we're supposed to take in at least 40,000 from abroad and make no mistake, they will be put ahead of the Irish people.

We already have 5000 asylum seekers costing the taxpayer 36,000 per head. We've spend 30 million on lawyers for asylum claimants. I could go on and on and on, but I won't. Bringing them to Europe is a bad idea, they should be fighting terrorism and dictatorship at home and securing a safe future for themselves and their families, just like other countries had to do in 2 World Wars.

El_Duderino 09

stefanovich wrote:

There are very very dangerous people masquerading as refugees. How do you know they are all ordinary people or even Syrian for that matter?

There may be slightly increased risk form accepting Syrians. There may be dangerous people among them. There are very dangerous people north of our border. Some dangerous people live in the Republic. I doubt you soil yourself thinking about those people though. I live in the UK where we recently had elevated threat of violence from irish republicans. I walk past potential targets every day, my pants remain unsoiled.

Slightly elevate risk of danger. That's the price you pay for doing the decent thing as a human being.

stefanovich wrote:

Mysogyny is okay as long as they are not white males. Did you not get the memo?

Oh you were just playing the fool. Ok.

OfTheMarsWongs

scream wrote: »

The Irish government will spend 640 million of taxpayer money on Foreign Aid this year alone. Our government will also spend 25 million of taxpayer money as part of the multi billion euro bribe to Erdogan. Our government is using taxpayer money to keep mulitiple naval vessels in the Med acting as a floating taxi service for migrants. How much more are the Irish people supposed to do or give?

There are many thousands of people on the social housing waiting lists, many thousands on the waiting lists for surgery and we have shockingly long lists of people waiting to be seen by consultants in the health service. Our social housing, schools and medical services are all seriously underfunded and will continue to be but we're supposed to take in at least 40,000 from abroad and make no mistake, they will be put ahead of the Irish people.

We already have 5000 asylum seekers costing the taxpayer 36,000 per head. We've spend 30 million on lawyers for asylum claimants. I could go on and on and on, but I won't. Bringing them to Europe is a bad idea, they should be fighting terrorism and dictatorship at home and securing a safe future for themselves and their families, just like other countries had to do in 2 World Wars.

There's no doubt that the Irish Health system is in a terrible state. The key difference though is that Irish hospitals aren't being being bombed, Irish children are not starving to death because the government/Isis has laid siege to the their towns. Re standing ground, many thousands of Syrians are. For others though, they're seeing that black flag coming down the road and are not saying to themselves .. "Sure, if they do get through, maybe I'll be lucky any they won't kidnap/rape my daughters". They are running, as fast as they can, crowding into dinghies, which is totally understandable.

stefanovich

El_Duderino 09 wrote:

Slightly elevate risk of danger. That's the price you pay for doing the decent thing as a human being.

So do we know they are Syrian even?

stefanovich

OfTheMarsWongs wrote:

"Sure, if they do get through, maybe I'll be lucky any they won't kidnap/rape my daughters".

Thanks for the dramatization. I'm fairly immune to emotional manipulation at this stage though.

Based on the fact that most are 20/30 year old men one could presume they are leaving the women and children there.

OfTheMarsWongs

stefanovich wrote: »

So do we know they are Syrian even?

If they're not and up to no good, that's some plan they have! "Let's 20 of us cram into this 10 person dingy. The guy on the beach assured me that these life jackets are legit and not just nylon stuffed with straw. When we get to Europe, we'll spend a few months, couple years tops living in make shift accommodation, if the refugee claim fails I know a fella that can get us into a lorry in Calais."

Terrorist organisations have the resources to get people in by more direct routes. They're not sneaking them in between Syrian families.

OfTheMarsWongs

stefanovich wrote: »

Thanks for the dramatization. I'm fairly immune to emotional manipulation at this stage though.

Based on the fact that most are 20/30 year old men one could presume they are leaving the women and children there.

One could also argue that the 20/30 year old men are stronger swimmers, faster runners. I'm not saying that they're leaving people behind on purpose, that demographic is just better equipped physically to get out of dodge.

stefanovich

El_Duderino 09 wrote:

Oh you were just playing the fool. Ok.

Not actually joking. All the faux outrage, ultra feminism etc these days. It's sexual politics. It's about control and retention of power, female over male. Same reason they abhor prostitution and pornography.

They don't care about Muslim refugees being misogynists as they do not consider them viable mates. My theory anyway.

El_Duderino 09

stefanovich wrote:

So do we know they are Syrian even?

I don't know. Why would it really matter anyway? People move around and settle. When the war broke out, it hardly mattered where the civilians are originally from.

What was your point and why didn't you male it?

stefanovich

OfTheMarsWongs wrote:

If they're not and up to no good, that's some plan they have! "Let's 20 of us cram into this 10 person dingy. The guy on the beach assured me that these life jackets are legit and not just nylon stuffed with straw. When we get to Europe, we'll spend a few months, couple years tops living in make shift accommodation, if the refugee claim fails I know a fella that can get us into a lorry in Calais."

Look at Calais. Look at the demographics. A minority are Syrian fyi.

OfTheMarsWongs

stefanovich wrote: »

Look at Calais. Look at the demographics. A minority are Syrian fyi.

I know this. Same argument could be used for North Africa originating refugees.

mitresize5

If any country in the world should be putting their hands up to accept refugees from a war torn country it should be Ireland.

We've sent millions of economic migrants to the far corner of the world, their only assets being the colour of their skin and the fact they can speak English. In fact if it wasn't for this the country would have been sunk altogether as recently as the last 5 years.

I hazard a guess and say their isn't a single person posting on this thread who doesn't know someone who has emigrated from Ireland for economic reasons and how some people suggest we turn our back on these people doesn't do my faith in humanity any good

The Saint

Jesus, the amount of hysterical horse**** in this thread is depressing.

stefanovich wrote: »

Will they be properly screened?

The initial screening of refugees is conducted by UNHCR.

Here's some information on the process. I have highlighted the pertinent sections in bold. While the process might not be perfect, it certainly constitutes screening.

Step 1: UNHCR makes sure claimants are eligible under the 1951 Refugee Convention. To qualify, they need to have fled their homes and be unable to return due to “serious and indiscriminate threats to life, physical integrity or freedom resulting from generalized violence or events seriously disturbing public order.” Anyone who has participated in war crimes or serious non-political crimes is ineligible. As Gisèle Nyembwe, a spokesperson for UNHCR Canada, puts it: “At the registration stage, we try to identify combatants.”

Step 2: UNHCR identifies those who are the most vulnerable and in greatest need of resettlement, which typically includes orphans and single mothers and their children. The number who make it through this screening process is about one per cent. In 2014, UNHCR referred 103,890 refugees out of 14.4 million to the resettlement program.

Step 3: Each person UNHCR considers for referral is individually reviewed by a refugee protection officer, says Peter Showler, who spent three months in Lebanon last year working with UNHCR. Refugee-protection officers are looking for any inconsistencies in claimants’ stories. “If they say they were in Homs until March 2012, then, all of a sudden, they’re talking about Aleppo in November, that’s a red flag,” says Showler.

Step 4: If the refugee-protection officer is content, she will then refer the file to a visa officer in one of the 28 countries that participate in the resettlement program

Under the terms of the EU-Turkey agreement, it is up to the receiving state to undertake any additional checks.

ShiddyArze wrote: »

25 families, about 8 or 9 kids each, its enough.. A lot of Irish people move down the housing lists for them

Where the hell are you getting the figure of 8-9 children per family? They're Syrians, not mice.

cronin_j wrote: »

I would say no problem, however they should be spread as far apart from each other as possible. The worst thing that could happen is they are given houses in groups alongside each other. They wont integrate otherwise.

As per the Limerick Post article the families "will be housed throughout Limerick city and county" indicating that they will be widely distributed.

ShiddyArze wrote: »

The problem is Islam I think, I am not religious, but I wouldn't mind Syrian Christians, Its the Muslims I wouldn't like to see living next door

At least your honest about your prejudice.

love humanity wrote: »

And it has proven true in Cologne on NYE and other capitals of Europe that night. Not to mention the daily sexual assaults by men from these cultures have sky rocketed across Germany.

Those who perpetrated the Cologne attacks were young men predominantly from north Africa (Algeria and Morocco). Those to be settled in Limerick are Syrian families. But I guess since they might be Muslims, they're naturally predisposed to attacking and raping women. :rolleyes:

stefanovich wrote: »

There are very very dangerous people masquerading as refugees. How do you know they are all ordinary people or even Syrian for that matter?

As mentioned above, they are pre-screened by the UN. If the UN cannot even determine their place of origin they will not put them forward for resettlement.

stefanovich wrote: »

Thanks for the dramatization. I'm fairly immune to emotional manipulation at this stage though. Based on the fact that most are 20/30 year old men one could presume they are leaving the women and children there.

I think it's a bit rich for you to be talking about dramatization given the amount of hyperbole you've spouted on this thread. And most of who are 20/30 year old men?

Special Circumstances

The Saint wrote: »

And most of who are 20/30 year old men?

A bit of an OG to your own credibility here I think if you are going to deny a huge amount of economic migrants trying to enter europe as refugees!
Without getting into the rights and wrongs of it.

The Saint

Special Circumstances wrote: »

A bit of an OG to your own credibility here I think if you are going to deny a huge amount of economic migrants trying to enter europe as refugees!
Without getting into the rights and wrongs of it.

This thread isn't about economic migrants, is it? It is about 25 Syrian refugee families. That's the point I was making, that his point was irrelevant.

Effects

zulutango wrote: »

Where's the 8 or 9 kids thing coming from? My Syrian friend has only one sibling.

It's coming from racism. That's pretty clear I think.

Effects

stefanovich wrote: »

So do we know they are Syrian even?

How do we know they aren't?

Effects

This thread's full of racist posts. Point this out and you get an infraction.

Nice to see boards.ie back to it's racist roots!

zulutango

It sounds like racism alright, but maybe the poster has evidence that Syrians have 8 or 9 kids on average.

yop

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roast

stefanovich wrote: »

They don't care about Muslim refugees being misogynists as they do not consider them viable mates. My theory anyway.

Who are "they"?

davo2001

roast wrote: »

Who are "they"?

Did he not say it in his post or something?!