2016 under 21 hurling championship

KevIRL

Off to a shock start tonight as Westmeath beat Kilkenny in Leinster..

Professey Chin

Delighted for them. That penalty at the end would have been all kinds of cruel if it had gone in

KevIRL

Professey Chin wrote: »

Delighted for them. That penalty at the end would have been all kinds of cruel if it had gone in

Indeed. Naturally a lot of focus will be on KK, but Westmeath have been developing well at under age in recent years.

KK out of both underage codes before June has even started, must be the first time that has happened in ages.

shockframe

Fair play to Westmeath. They nearly beat Limerick last summer and now have a major scalp.

And after meath beat them at minor 3 years ago.

What an astonishing result in Mullingar tonight. Great for the greater game of hurling and hopefully the Westmeath co board will give the lads the backing they deserve. They've been knocking on the door with quite a while now

PTH2009

Bit of a nightmare year for underage inter county hurling in kilkenny minors and under 21s out. Congrats westmeath

Waterford have been very unlucky in this grade over the years and are tipped to be one of the favourites dis year but they have to play Clare in Walsh park in July who have always excelled in this grade

Defending champs Limerick will be the team to beat. Tipperary and cork also rumoured to have good teams this year. Galway go in as the unknowns dis year (really need to enter Leinster or Munster)

dastardly00

Result from tonight, Leinster quarter-final:
Dublin 2-12 Wexford 1-8

Massive win for the Dubs as Wexford had won Leinster for the last three years. Dublin should really fancy their chances in taking the provincial title now.

Conas

dastardly00 wrote: »

Result from tonight, Leinster quarter-final:
Dublin 2-12 Wexford 1-8

Massive win for the Dubs as Wexford had won Leinster for the last three years. Dublin should really fancy their chances in taking the provincial title now.

Yes, they have a good chance of winning Leinster. However, I think they'll struggle should they enter the All Ireland series against the Munster teams, and Galway, who I'd all rate as a good bit ahead of them. I think Leinster hurling is in a very weak state at underage.

corny

Dublin dominating general play but behind on the scoreboard.

zetecescort

corny wrote: »

Dublin dominating general play but behind on the scoreboard.

butchered a few goal chances, giving an extra pass instead of taking on the shot or not wanting to shoot on their weaker side

STB.

Fantastic goal for the Dubs.

Difficult conditions for seeing the ball however.

Ref got a new whistle I see. Hasn't stopped blowing the thing.

rodge68

Another nice goal for the Dubs..enjoyable game..

corny

STB. wrote: »

Fantastic goal for the Dubs.

Difficult conditions for seeing the ball however.

Ref got a new whistle I see. Hasn't stopped blowing the thing.

Yeah he did his best to ruin the game.

Grueller

STB. wrote: »

Fantastic goal for the Dubs.

Difficult conditions for seeing the ball however.

Ref got a new whistle I see. Hasn't stopped blowing the thing.

He is always the same in club games down here too. Very fussy and whistle happy. We have ten better referees in the county so I don't know why he got the inter county nod.

dastardly00

For completeness sake...

Leinster semi-final result:
Offaly 5-16 Carlow 1-13

Offaly will now take on Dublin in the final on Wednesday July 6th in O'Connor Park, Tullamore.

It'll be Offalys first time in the final since 2008. Coincidentally, that was the last time the final was played in O'Connor Park.

Both Dublin and Offaly have won the Leinster U-21 championship five times.

Mehapoy

dastardly00 wrote: »

For completeness sake...

Leinster semi-final result:
Offaly 5-16 Carlow 1-13

Offaly will now take on Dublin in the final on Wednesday July 6th in O'Connor Park, Tullamore.

It'll be Offalys first time in the final since 2008. Coincidentally, that was the last time the final was played in O'Connor Park.

Both Dublin and Offaly have won the Leinster U-21 championship five times.

After a shocking start its turned out not a bad year for Offaly hurling, hopefully they put in a good performance in the final and give themselves something to build on...

Bonniedog

Offaly have scored something like 10 - 30 in their two games so far, so Dublin will need to be at their very best.

People were giving Carlow a chance on basis that their 21s, a few of them playing last night, had run Cats to two last year. Offaly minors had slaughtered them last year and year before. Bookies badly caught by some I think as they cut price from 1/2 to 2/7 yesterday evening.


Hard to believe that when they last met in final in 2006, Offaly were roaring favourites and still a force to be reckoned at at senior. It was Dublin's first win since 1971. Tables turned now, but I would say it will be close game. Two teams with an eye for the net, so should be entertaining as well.

dastardly00

Bonniedog wrote: »

People were giving Carlow a chance on basis that their 21s, a few of them playing last night, had run Cats to two last year. Offaly minors had slaughtered them last year and year before. Bookies badly caught by some I think as they cut price from 1/2 to 2/7 yesterday evening.

Ah yeah, but we're rubbish! :pac:

Bonniedog

dastardly00 wrote: »

Ah yeah, but we're rubbish! :pac:

Well, it is certainly not the best Cats under 21 team. I think that is fair to say!

Seriously though, it can only be good that the underage Leinster set up is more competitive. Admittedly, that may be due in some measure to Cats being below par, but even so.

Be interesting to see how Dublin or Offaly fare against Galway. Leinster record over past ten years has been pretty poor.

dastardly00

The 2016 Munster Hurling Under-21 Championship starts tonight with Limerick playing Cork. Live coverage on TG4 from 7.15pm.

Quarter-Final | Limerick v Cork | Pairc Ui Rinn | 28 June 7:30pm
Semi-Final | Tipperary v QF winner | Semple Stadium/Pairc Ui Rinn | 13 July 7:30pm
Semi-Final | Waterford v Clare | Waterford | 13 July 7:30pm
Final | | TBC | 28 July 7:30pm

The Munster U-21 championship always starts later that the Leinster championship, but it seems even later than usual this year.
And I can't understand why the two semi-finals are played at the same time

PTH2009

dastardly00 wrote: »

The 2016 Munster Hurling Under-21 Championship starts tonight with Limerick playing Cork. Live coverage on TG4 from 7.15pm.

Quarter-Final | Limerick v Cork | Pairc Ui Rinn | 28 June 7:30pm
Semi-Final | Tipperary v QF winner | Semple Stadium/Pairc Ui Rinn | 13 July 7:30pm
Semi-Final | Waterford v Clare | Waterford | 13 July 7:30pm
Final | | TBC | 28 July 7:30pm
The Munster U-21 championship always starts later that the Leinster championship, but it seems even later than usual this year.
And I can't understand why the two semi-finals are played at the same time

The Munster semis are on 3 days after the senior munster final(Waterford and Tipp involved) and 4 days after round 2 of the Qualifers (expected Limerick and Clare will be involved, Cork possibly too). Whats the point in putting pressure on players on both Senior and U21 squads

danganabu

PTH2009 wrote: »

The Munster semis are on 3 days after the senior munster final(Waterford and Tipp involved) and 4 days after round 2 of the Qualifers (expected Limerick and Clare will be involved, Cork possibly too). Whats the point in putting pressure on players on both Senior and U21 squads

There were players involved who were doing the Leaving Cert so it was put on hold until exams were finished, same as the minor championship.

danganabu

danganabu wrote: »

There were players involved who were doing the Leaving Cert so it was put on hold until exams were finished, same as the minor championship.

What about the players playing u21 football?.

The structures and organization in GAA is brutal.

Most teams play 2/3 meaningful games in a year and they can't even organise them properly to ensure a smooth season.

Galway don't even get games in this, starting in a semi final with a guaranteed final whenever they face Ulster every few years.

PTH2009

gilberto_eire wrote: »

What about the players playing u21 football?.

The structures and organization in GAA is brutal.

Most teams play 2/3 meaningful games in a year and they can't even organise them properly to ensure a smooth season.

Galway don't even get games in this, starting in a semi final with a guaranteed final whenever they face Ulster every few years.

The Galway county board were offered to go into the Leinster Minor and under 21 championships a few years ago I think and they refused it. Probly wanting there underage players a chance to play on the big stages (almost playing minor in Croke Park every year)

KevIRL

Decent game this, Limerick a goal ahead at half time

PTH2009

PTH2009 wrote: »

The Galway county board were offered to go into the Leinster Minor and under 21 championships a few years ago I think and they refused it. Probly wanting there underage players a chance to play on the big stages (almost playing minor in Croke Park every year)

Have you anything to back up that claim or was it just a good chance to get a dig in on Galway without any substance?.

Because the opposite happened in 2014.

http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/leinster-council-delegates-vote-not-4577124

Leinster Council delegates vote not to allow Galway to participate in province's under-21 and minor hurling championships

So don't come out with pure rubbish to suit an agenda "They want easy titles"..... thats the case for the Leinster also rans who wanted a weaker championship to suit their own vested interests.

KevIRL

KevIRL wrote: »

Decent game this, Limerick a goal ahead at half time

Well the first half was decent..

Really poor for a team to start so bad, claw their way back and then score 3 points for the majority of the second half and slump to a second big deficit.

Looks like Corks recent struggles wont end in the next few years.

PTH2009

gilberto_eire wrote: »

Have you anything to back up that claim or was it just a good chance to get a dig in on Galway without any substance?.

Because the opposite happened in 2014.

http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/leinster-council-delegates-vote-not-4577124

Leinster Council delegates vote not to allow Galway to participate in province's under-21 and minor hurling championships

So don't come out with pure rubbish to suit an agenda "They want easy titles"..... thats the case for the Leinster also rans who wanted a weaker championship to suit their own vested interests.

My bad I thought Galway refused to enter. My deepest apologies

PTH2009

PTH2009 wrote: »

My bad I thought Galway refused to enter. My deepest apologies

Cant find the counties listed but my understanding was it wasn't even the biggest rivals to Galway at senior(Kilkenny).

Ridicules that they can even decide that, should come from the GAA itself.

The U21 championship is left with one decent provincial and a lob sided Leinster(despite KK suffering woes at present) with Antrim's bye providing an easy semi final for whoever gets them.

dastardly00

How about trying a complete open draw for U-21?

Antrim, Carlow, Clare, Cork, Dublin, Galway, Kildare, Kilkenny, Laois, Limerick, Offaly, Tipperary, Waterford, Westmeath, Wexford, plus one other county to make it 16 teams.

lim4ev

gilberto_eire wrote: »

What about the players playing u21 football?.

The structures and organization in GAA is brutal.

Most teams play 2/3 meaningful games in a year and they can't even organise them properly to ensure a smooth season.

Galway don't even get games in this, starting in a semi final with a guaranteed final whenever they face Ulster every few years.

Do Galway get to play the Ulster u21 champions any year? I didn't think so but am open to question on that one.

Workman like from limk tonight bigger challenges lie ahead

Kristopherus

PTH2009 wrote: »

My bad I thought Galway refused to enter. My deepest apologies

You have nothing to apologise for. Galway did indeed refuse to go into Leinster. Phelim Murphy dismissed it out of hand iirc. The dyed-in-the-wool Leinster hardliners returned the favour a couple of years ago. Total nonsense by both sides:mad:.

Realt Dearg Sec

dastardly00 wrote: »

How about trying a complete open draw for U-21?

Antrim, Carlow, Clare, Cork, Dublin, Galway, Kildare, Kilkenny, Laois, Limerick, Offaly, Tipperary, Waterford, Westmeath, Wexford, plus one other county to make it 16 teams.

Not a hope. The risk would be that it would work really well, no way the provincial councils want that screwing things up.

And yes, Galway did refuse to enter Leinster at underage in the past, dunno why that poster was on his high horse about someone getting a "dig" in.

danganabu

Both sides are correct and of course wrong

Galway stated in 2008 when applying to join the Leinster Championship that they didn't want to enter at minor and u21, it was short sighted just because they were going so well in both and that sort of cherry picking should never have been tolerated.

Go forward 6 years and Galway realised the error of their ways and that to aid the development of players playing more competitive game's ( with the comfort of a back door at minor) was far more beneficial than going straight to an AI semi every year. However at this point the other counties in Leinster, notably Offaly, Carlow, Wexford and Dublin were the most vocal, felt that allowing Galway entry would hinder their chances of success and development.

Of course the decision should never have been left up to either party and the decision either way should have been made for them. FWIW imo they should most definitely be playing in Leinster for both minor and u21 if they are for Senior, the current situation makes a mockery of the provincial distinctions.

danganabu

gilberto_eire wrote: »

What about the players playing u21 football?.

What about them?

The football championship was completed before the exams started?

zetecescort

bit of niggle to the Munster final now. Gleeson is a great talent but can step over the mark at times, lucky to stay on the field

Mushy

Goalscorer had his foot in the square, very annoying. Not as if ref or umpires had restricted view

caddy16

zetecescort wrote: »

bit of niggle to the Munster final now. Gleeson is a great talent but can step over the mark at times, lucky to stay on the field

Crazy what he did. Should have walked.

LuckyGent88

zetecescort wrote: »

bit of niggle to the Munster final now. Gleeson is a great talent but can step over the mark at times, lucky to stay on the field

He is dirt sometimes. So talented but has a nasty strike in him in every game.

Low scoring but a cracking match. Some strong but fair challenges going in. Tipp will be disappointed to concede such a soft goal. Classy goading from Waterford goal scorer. Always nice to see that!!!!!!

GoldFour4

pisses me off to no end that he only got a yellow. Literally punched Josh Keane in the head in front of the linesman. A tipp player or a Waterford player other than Gleeson would have got the line.

Tipperary animal lover

Taught Waterford would have mauled us by now, decent game.... Gleeson showing he's class!!!!

Mantis Toboggan

Tipperary animal lover wrote: »

Taught Waterford would have mauled us by now, decent game.... Gleeson showing he's class!!!!

He shouldn't be on the field, got away with that big time.

LuckyGent88

That was a lovely score

LuckyGent88

That pass

zetecescort

lovely pass for the goal

LuckyGent88

Waterford turning on the style now. Some lovely pints but such a pity Gleeson shouldn't even be on the field this second half.
He has been utter class this half and the reason Waterford will win

Mantis Toboggan

Of all the players to leave free Austin gleeson is the worst one. Will be interesting to see what Willie Maher says about that.

LuckyGent88

Tyson Fury wrote: »

Of all the players to leave free Austin gleeson is the worst one. Will be interesting to see what Willie Maher says about that.

Yep so strange. Last person you want collect the ball free with his striking ability. Cleaned up in second half

PTH2009

Waterford vs Dublin final I'd say but neither team can afford to be complacent In the semis Galway as always will be unknown as it will be there first night out and Antrim shocked a cocky Wexford team a few years ago

commonsense.

PTH2009 wrote:

Waterford vs Dublin final I'd say but neither team can afford to be complacent In the semis Galway as always will be unknown as it will be there first night out and Antrim shocked a cocky Wexford team a few years ago

Ah here, you don't seriously expect Antrim to remotely trouble that Waterford team?
They will be in 3rd gear for that game and will win by a score a man.
A system that allows a mismatch of such proportions at AI semi final stage is farcical.
Provincial system should be scrapped for all championships so let's start with U21 on a trial basis.