The future of James Bond

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Here we go wrote: »

So Is it just me who prefers the mi franchise over the current bond in particular the last 3 where they stopped numbering them

Not a fan of MI or Tim Curse. Would always watch Bond in the cinema, but happy to stream MI.

pixelburp

Here we go wrote: »

So Is it just me who prefers the mi franchise over the current bond in particular the last 3 where they stopped numbering them

I look forward to a new MI more than a Bond, but in many respects the comparison is probably a little unfair: the MI series is a mere 6 films long compared to the 26(!) of the Bond. Plus James Bond is a cultural icon; even if you haven't seen the films the average person on the street would know who it is.

The former hasn't really had a chance to run out of steam and its main selling point at this stage is pretty much Cruise's willingness to perform increasingly dangerous, insane stunts himself. MI: Fallout was a white knuckle ride precisely because of (say) the "real" helicopter chase, as opposed to the green-screen, overly edited equivalent seen in Spectre.

Here we go

pixelburp wrote: »

I look forward to a new MI more than a Bond, but in many respects the comparison is probably a little unfair: the MI series is a mere 6 films long compared to the 26(!) of the Bond. Plus James Bond is a cultural icon; even if you haven't seen the films the average person on the street would know who it is.

The former hasn't really had a chance to run out of steam and its main selling point at this stage is pretty much Cruise's willingness to perform increasingly dangerous, insane stunts himself. MI: Fallout was a white knuckle ride precisely because of (say) the "real" helicopter chase, as opposed to the green-screen, overly edited equivalent seen in Spectre.

Surly cruise is knowen by just about everyone even those who don’t like him and how bond could beat is stunts is beyond me like below

peteeeed

After weeks of everything being up in the air, it looks like the next James Bond film is out of limbo. Bond 25, likely Daniel Craig’s final 007 outing, was left in freefall when director Danny Boyle left the project due to creative differences, delaying the start of production. But everything’s back on track with a new statement confirming the next filmmaker to take the helm of Britain’s most famous spy: Cary Joji Fukunaga.

The director, whose Netflix limited series Maniac, starring Emma Stone and Jonah Hill, hits the streaming service tomorrow, is best well known as the director of True Detective Season 1, and Netflix film Beasts Of No Nation. Notably, he wasn’t on the supposed director shortlist that surfaced in the wake of Boyle’s departure, which included the likes of Bart Layton, SJ Clarkson and Yann Demange. With Boyle’s version of the film set to work from a script by his long-time collaborator John Hodge, it emerged last week that regular Bond writers Neal Purvis and Robert Wade had re-joined the project to write a new version of the screenplay. The pair have written every Bond film since The World Is Not Enough, including high points like Casino Royale and Skyfall, and wobblier entries like Die Another Day and Quantum Of Solace.

https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/bond-25-sets-cary-joji-fukunaga-director-2020-release-date/

Hande hoche!

Well that's a different choice. Will be curious as to whether it actually makes it into production with that director. Remember him leaving the production of IT.

MillField

I'm not familiar with him, but I can't imagine he was chosen lightly. A long wait until 2020 but hopefully a good send off for Daniel Craig.

p to the e

MillField wrote: »

I'm not familiar with him, but I can't imagine he was chosen lightly. A long wait until 2020 but hopefully a good send off for Daniel Craig.

I'd say he was chosen because he'll do what he's told.

I think he's a great choice of director for no other fact than that his name sounds like a Bond villain.

pixelburp

The choice is a surprising one, and Fukunaga has a decent enough pedigree, but there's no way he was chosen for being an independently minded auteur. Can't see him doing anything other than shooting the script given.

Brief_Lives

So bond will die?

Sad Professor

Fukunaga is definitely someone with his own ideas, both visual and story-related, which he will fight studios over, as his fallings out with producers on It and True Detective show. A really good and interesting choice. He's about as close to an auteur as the Bond films will ever get. That's if all goes well. I can't see him being too happy letting one of Eon's in-house directors shoot all the action scenes.

pixelburp

Sure there is precedent for Fukunaga falling out, but you'd imagine in this particular case, with a notable & storied issue of a release date + script quibbling, that all parties are agreed to just shoot something and get it out the door. Perhaps Fukunaga is doing this to 'un blot' his copybook, prove he can work on a hollywood production line ...

Sad Professor

pixelburp wrote: »

Sure there is precedent for Fukunaga falling out, but you'd imagine in this particular case, with a notable & storied issue of a release date + script quibbling, that all parties are agreed to just shoot something and get it out the door. Perhaps Fukunaga is doing this to 'un blot' his copybook, prove he can work on a hollywood production line ...

Yeah, maybe, but the reality is that directors frequently commit to doing stuff that they have no intention of doing, and studios frequently demand stuff that they know the director won't do. It's part of the powerplay. And all the more reason for him to be difficult, knowing that they probably don't want another director departing. He's still more amenable than Boyle was ever going to be, at least where the script is concerned, so maybe he can get his way on other things.

p to the e

He certainly has form when it comes to fighting his corner but I'd imagine in this case he was told, in no uncertain terms, that if he wants this job he shoots what he's given. He'll probably push for some violent scenes which the producers won't like aswell.

SimonTemplar

I agree with everything Barbara Broccoli has said in this interview about a rumoured gender swap: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/oct/05/there-will-never-be-a-female-james-bond-confirms-executive-producer?CMP=twt_a-film_b-gdnfilm

“Bond is male,” she said. “He’s a male character. He was written as a male and I think he’ll probably stay as a male.

“And that’s fine. We don’t have to turn male characters into women. Let’s just create more female characters and make the story fit those female characters.”

pixelburp

Who has been suggesting gender swaps? Like, unless I'm missing something - and frankly twitter or clickbait hacks don't count - absolutely nobody is saying Bond should be female. Feels like people are getting preemptively angsty over narratives that don't exist. Last I heard saw it was about Idris Elba, which at least had gained traction enough for him to respond to the rumours.

SimonTemplar

Well it was mentioned in clickbait articles as you mentioned which were probably inspired by Twitter. Anyway, it caught the attention of Barbara enough to comment on it.

I don't think any serious film journalist look it seriously though.

Gamb!t

Shatterhand to be the new title ?
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-47333723

sxt

pixelburp wrote: »

Who has been suggesting gender swaps? Like, unless I'm missing something - and frankly twitter or clickbait hacks don't count - absolutely nobody is saying Bond should be female. Feels like people are getting preemptively angsty over narratives that don't exist. Last I heard saw it was about Idris Elba, which at least had gained traction enough for him to respond to the rumours.

I'd say it was being considered when Angelina Jolie was the top of her star power in 2010, she played a secret agent in 2010 but even in that movie, it was hard to believe a 9 stone woman could beat up 16 stone men in that movie

justinbellford

Throwing it out there... I know Idris Elba as bond is basically beating a dead horse at this point, but him as bond in the Cold War era where racial tensions are high, proving himself as a competent agent in that era would be interesting. But that's just me.

the_pen_turner

james bond is well past it. time to retire 007

they should expand the series to cover other 00 agents. there is no reason why they cant be black, chineese, gay, female etc that people think james bond should be
it would allow a whole new set of charicters and storylines.

sabat

Shatterhand is just too blatant a double-entendre to take seriously.

salmocab

the_pen_turner wrote: »

james bond is well past it. time to retire 007

they should expand the series to cover other 00 agents. there is no reason why they cant be black, chineese, gay, female etc that people think james bond should be
it would allow a whole new set of charicters and storylines.

I can’t agree, although there is no reason people like that couldn’t be in the secret service it might feel like jammed in diversity for the sake of it. There is no need to expand the bond universe just do a bit of a new style. Personally I haven’t been blown away by the Craig ones. Good movies well made but I preferred the tongue in cheek older ones.

the_pen_turner

salmocab wrote: »

I can’t agree, although there is no reason people like that couldn’t be in the secret service it might feel like jammed in diversity for the sake of it. There is no need to expand the bond universe just do a bit of a new style. Personally I haven’t been blown away by the Craig ones. Good movies well made but I preferred the tongue in cheek older ones.

I'm not suggesting a whole series of different race and LGBTQ etc.
Leave James bond the way he is. 006 could be similar but with new catchphrases and personality.

I too fathered to older films. A bit more fun

Tony EH

Gamb!t wrote: »

Shatterhand to be the new title ?

No, Mr.Bond...I expect you to die.

Agent Coulson

This is good news.

Phoebe Waller-Bridge brought in to liven up new Bond script

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/apr/14/james-bond-script-phoebe-waller-bridge-fleabag-daniel-craig?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2X0pT3mQ2JD_PaMS0cWKYpNeSJpehZbLOlQzYN4u1584YhGY1UqHDjNvQ#Echobox=1555229946

pixelburp

Killing Eve is one of those things that absolutely lived up to the hype when I watched it, though not sure how her comedic styling might fit into Bond, especially Craig's variation of it

Kirby

sxt wrote: »

I'd say it was being considered when Angelina Jolie was the top of her star power in 2010, she played a secret agent in 2010 but even in that movie, it was hard to believe a 9 stone woman could beat up 16 stone men in that movie

That's because the movie originally starred a male lead. Evelyn Salt was originally Edward Salt.

When they changed it to a female character for Jolie, they didn't re-write any of the physical stuff. A strong breeze could knock Angelina over so it came off more than a little fake.

It looks like this is a go...


https://twitter.com/TheCinemaSpot/status/1307022473616121858

senordingdong

Wouldn't be my first choice but he's a very good actor.
Last few bond films let down by weak stories and the reversion to the gimmicks of the old movies so weak subject matter could be his biggest hurdle.

Mr Crispy

senordingdong wrote: »

Wouldn't be my first choice but he's a very good actor.
Last few bond films let down by weak stories and the reversion to the gimmicks of the old movies so weak subject matter could be his biggest hurdle.

Yeah, they need to sort out the writers next. But I think Hardy is a good choice.

Edit: Just looking at the source for the above Twitter account, and there's nothing official there at all. The author is just saying this is what's happening, but has no sources whatsoever.