Formula 1 2016: Round 6 - Monaco Grand Prix

Jordan 199

TheDoctor wrote: »

Hopefully someone will run Bieber down

So it's safe to say you're not a 'Belieber' then

Rossi IRL

Andrew76 wrote: »

Is that on Eurosport maybe? Wouldn't mind giving that a watch

Its on BT

RobertKK

Wanderer78 wrote: »

ah sure mercedes have done it in the past to. s*it happens. pity though. i like ricciardo

It is bad for any team to do it at any track, but at Monaco and any street circuit it is much harder to overcome.

Itssoeasy

A human mistake ? Yeah Daniel ricciardo will love that. Haha

RobertKK

Justin Bieber at Monaco...Jose Mourinho at Montreal.

Rossi IRL

Could Red Bull just pay Beiber to perform his song "Sorry".

Im ashamed to know the name of 1 of his songs

Wanderer78

Rossi IRL wrote: »

Could Red Bull just pay Beiber to perform his song "Sorry".

Im ashamed to know the name of 1 of his songs

you should be. i think you should be banned from this thread:D

RobertKK

So was the Monaco F1 concert - Justin Bieber?

Rossi IRL

RobertKK wrote: »

So was the Monaco F1 concert - Justin Bieber?

Its on tonight

Ghost Train

Hamilton lucky today I think, first getting by Rosberg and then Redbulls mistake.

When in championship battle tough for Rosberg

Have to laugh at Damon Hill talking up Lewis

RobertKK

I can hear they are playing Fifth Harmony's 'work', wonder if it is coming from the Red Bull garage.

Gamb!t

Good race,Felt sorry for Ricardo,pits muck up cost him.
The Sky commentary on Hamilton is insufferable.

Mike Litoris

Rossi IRL wrote: »

Could Red Bull just pay Beiber to perform his song "Sorry".

Im ashamed to know the name of 1 of his songs

Get out!


Anyways, ffuuuuucckkkkk. Red Bull really screwed up there. Hamilton drove a great race and deserves the win.


Interesting race for Monaco thanks to the rain. Verstappen.....drove like a champ again then bins it. Red Bull debrief will be interesting to say the least.

Jordan 199

Rossi IRL wrote: »

Could Red Bull just pay Beiber to perform his song "Sorry".

Im ashamed to know the name of 1 of his songs

Take a very hot shower with a Brillo pad at once to wash away the Bieber stink

Rossi IRL

https://twitter.com/thebuxtonblog/status/736934824846446593

ItsChecoTime

Fantastic result from Checo another great drive.

Harika wrote: »

Hulkenberg is always seen as the better driver but Perez brings home the podiums.

I think the results in the last few years suggests he (Hulk) shouldn't be seen as the better driver

Myrddin

Was Hamiltons outlap particularly slow? He was ahead & pitted first, but would have come out behind Ricciardo had the screw up not happened

Jordan 199

Since Perez joined Force India in 2014, he finished third on three occasions:

2014: Bahrain -3rd.

2015: Russia - 3rd.

2016: Monaco - 3rd.

Ghost Train

Myrddin wrote: »

Was Hamiltons outlap particularly slow? He was ahead & pitted first, but would have come out behind Ricciardo had the screw up not happened

I'd say first lap on slicks there's a bit of learning where the grip is, both Mercedes seem to take a while to switch on the tires too but main thing was probably just Ricciardos faster pace

Mike Litoris

Myrddin wrote: »

Was Hamiltons outlap particularly slow? He was ahead & pitted first, but would have come out behind Ricciardo had the screw up not happened

I think it was a combination of Ric being much faster for that 1 lap (2 seconds I think DC said) once Hamilton pitted and the Ultra softs taking many laps to get up to temp. Ric was all over Hamilton for about 6 laps before the ultras got up to temp and then Hamilton rode off into the sunset!

Terrontress

That's two races in a row which Ricciardo feels aggrieved at, and with good reason. But the same team which has let him down has also given him the seat to make him believe he deserved both those wins.

Harika

Myrddin wrote: »

Was Hamiltons outlap particularly slow? He was ahead & pitted first, but would have come out behind Ricciardo had the screw up not happened

For comparison, Alonso stayed one lap longer out and gained one or two positions. While usually it is the other way around.

flazio

I know Hamilton has his detractors, heaven knows I'm not a great fan about how he handles himself off the track, but I do have to compliment him on how he's handling himself here, giving Riccardo his dues, showing that mellow side to him is still there after a race win.

What was the result with Raikkonen? Reprimand?

AMKC

Max is the new Maldonado not Kyvat as others have said.

AMKC

Was a pity the race had to start under the safety car as it would have been so much better without a safety car start as someone else said these are supposed to be the best drivers in the world just put on the full wets and let them race thats what should have been done.

Felt sorry for Riccardo he really should have had that race was a big cock up by Red Bull. Rosberg not at his best today he only seemed to be half interested. Delighted for Sergio Perez and Force India they done great today. Alonso and Mclaren done well too. The two Saubers crashing into each other was just stupid. Felipe should have let Marcus by.
I guess Max did not learn a whole lot from crashing into the barrier in qualifying as he done it in the race too maybe if Kyvat had off been in that Red Bull they might have had a 2,3 in the race.

Myrddin

Verstappen was hugely entertaining prior to his crash, he made some quality passes. There's serious talent there, all he needs is experience. I'd say in another season or two, he'll be unstoppable if he's in a winning car. Monaco is a bit of a monkey on his back now, it's a circuit that needs respect...something he's learned three times now (last year, this years quali, & this years race).

The Saubers, wow. Awful stuff.

Rosberg, if I didn't know better I'd say he looked afraid to actually try & race (barring the one attempt on Alonso after the tunnel). Unless he had an issue, it was an awful drive, way beyond merely playing it safe.

Kimi, what was he thinking?

Ricciardo was robbed, the RB team are normally on the button when it comes to operational/procedural stuff...very unlike them, & without doubt cost him a win. I'd forgive them for Spain, because it was a strategy call, but a tire screw up...not acceptable from them.

MayoSalmon

AMKC wrote: »

Rosberg not at his best today he only seemed to be half interested.

I have nothing against the lad but there's a reason why Rosberg hasn't won a championship yet. He's just not a great all-round driver. Hamilton is lights years ahead of him in terms of talent and speed. If Hamilton is over his bad luck it will be between him and Ric for the championship.

Myrddin

MayoSalmon wrote: »

I have nothing against the lad but there's a reason why Rosberg hasn't won a championship yet. He's just not a great all-round driver. Hamilton is lights years ahead of him in terms of talent and speed. If Hamilton is over his bad luck it will be between him and Ric for the championship.

I'd agree to an extent, Rosberg definitely has the speed...& where you sometimes see Lewis charging through the field, it's rare to see that from Rosberg...I find he tends to do his vital passing in the pits, & while there's nothing wrong with that, for me it separates the two. Lewis can barge his way through the field (sometimes to his detriment), whereas Nico will tend to let the strategist get the same job done for him. So while he's super quick (we seen this as he dominated Lewis through Quali last year or the year before), I don't think he's all too comfortable mixing things up with other drivers.

Spudman_20000

People seem to have forgotten that Rosberg won the previous 3 Monaco GPs, but he did look very poor yesterday.

I would agree though that Hamilton is the overall better driver. He's had a lot of bad luck so far this year, but I also think the current characteristics of the car don't suit him either.

If I was a betting man, I'd still bet on Rosberg for the championship. It's funny to see some people writing him off based on one poor race.

Wonder when was the last time that 2 drivers in the same team won a world championship?

Myrddin

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

People seem to have forgotten that Rosberg won the previous 3 Monaco GPs, but he did look very poor yesterday.

He normally goes pretty well around Monaco, certainly in the dry anyway. Similarly actually, yesterdays win was gifted to Lewis, while last years was gifted to Nico.

If I was a betting man, I'd still bet on Rosberg for the championship. It's funny to see some people writing him off based on one poor race

Same. Though his lead has been slashed in half now, it might put some pressure on him (whereas he had a huge gap beforehand). I don't think Nico is good under pressure, he plays things too safe & ends up costing himself.

Spudman_20000

Another nauseating article from Benson. Don't know why I click on them to be honest.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/36409542

Myrddin

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

Another nauseating article from Benson. Don't know why I click on them to be honest.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/36409542

Nauseating indeed, though it's British media about a British driver...so not exactly surprising. I wonder how the German media portrays Nico, not too dis-similarly I'd wager...

Andrew76

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

Another nauseating article from Benson. Don't know why I click on them to be honest.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/36409542

Haven't clicked into it yet but does he compare the Lewis v Ricciardo battle to Senna v Mansell? Wouldn't surprise me if he did.

Simon Gruber Says

Andrew76 wrote: »

does he compare the Lewis v Ricciardo battle to Senna v Mansell?

Myrddin

OSI wrote: »

But why wouldn't they be? Irish media has a tendency to play up Irish involvement to. It's natural to play up your own among your largest audience.

Absolutely, I think it's perfectly natural. We get exposure to the British media so it appears one sided, but the reality is, media in every nationality likely does the same thing.

Cookie_Monster

Myrddin wrote: »

Absolutely, I think it's perfectly natural. We get exposure to the British media so it appears one sided, but the reality is, media in every nationality likely does the same thing.

British media is a whole lot more tabloid though, even sky sports is very much a tabloid channel, 95% of the coverage is just fluff.

Charlie-Bravo

Nauseating? Yeah, and this stuff retweeted by Hamilton (for the record, I don't follow Beiber). Look, Hamilton capitalised yesterday and deserves it.

Tweet: https://twitter.com/justinbieber/status/736936023884603392?s=07

Brother? Brother from another mother more like!!

Myrddin

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

British media is a whole lot more tabloid though, even sky sports is very much a tabloid channel, 95% of the coverage is just fluff.

I'll see your Sky Sports, and raise you Bild :P

skipper_G

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

Another nauseating article from Benson. Don't know why I click on them to be honest.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/36409542

"article" a term used loosely indeed, I just had a mini sick in my mouth from reading that

The standout quotes for me were >
"Hamilton, meanwhile, drove one of his greatest races" :eek:
"Rosberg, who throughout the Monaco weekend was reminded in the starkest terms of his team-mate's inherent superiority as a grand prix driver." :rolleyes:

Harika

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

British media is a whole lot more tabloid though, even sky sports is very much a tabloid channel, 95% of the coverage is just fluff.

You should have seen the Schumacher years on RTL, that was tabloid and tailored. Or Sky DE when Vettel was dominating, the female presenters being aroused (I **** you not) by saying Vettel's name. The pre-coverage had the information content of a pink pony turning around on screen and ****ting rainbows, if you were not a Vettel admirer.
Edit: In contrast to this, I find the Sky coverage well balanced.

mickdw

skipper_G wrote: »

"Rosberg, who throughout the Monaco weekend was reminded in the starkest terms of his team-mate's inherent superiority as a grand prix driver." :rolleyes:

Must have forgotten about rosberg winning the last 3 in monaco and out qualifying this time too.
Team order or not, something smells about rosberg letting hamilton by. To let by your championship contender and end up halving you championship lead - I just dont get it.

MayoSalmon

mickdw wrote: »

Must have forgotten about rosberg winning the last 3 in monaco and out qualifying this time too.
Team order or not, something smells about rosberg letting hamilton by. To let by your championship contender and end up halving you championship lead - I just dont get it.

What smells?! Mercedes want to win the constructors championship..to do that they obviously must win races. They gave Rosberg more than enough laps to try get going but he was just to slow. To salvage any chance of a Mercedes win they had to let Hamilton through, they were proved right.

Harika

MayoSalmon wrote: »

What smells?! Mercedes want to win the constructors championship..to do that they obviously must win races. They gave Rosberg more than enough laps to try get going but he was just to slow. To salvage any chance of a Mercedes win they had to let Hamilton through, they were proved right.

For me it shows the missing percentages to Hamilton. Would Hamilton have let Rosberg pass? I am sure he wouldn't have. Same as Jos was not letting pass Carlos at some earlier races, with the exception that Sainz is still very young. Sure Nico can tell himself it was for the team, but in reality he wants to become WDC and not help Hamilton becoming it again. Next race might be crucial, overall it could really just be seen as a one time event, but if Hamilton wins Canada, he will crumble again.

ricimaki

Rosberg had brake problems in the race. He wasn't able to run anywhere near as fast as Hamilton.

johnnysmack

Is everyone forgetting rosberg had brake issues in the early parts of the race which allowed Riccardo to saunter off into the distance in the first place?

I was dismayed he let Hamilton past at first but when they said he was nursing an injured car it's more understandable. Still don't think he should have moved over but it is understandable from the teams point of view.

MayoSalmon

Harika wrote: »

For me it shows the missing percentages to Hamilton. Would Hamilton have let Rosberg pass? I am sure he wouldn't have. Same as Jos was not letting pass Carlos at some earlier races, with the exception that Sainz is still very young. Sure Nico can tell himself it was for the team, but in reality he wants to become WDC and not help Hamilton becoming it again. Next race might be crucial, overall it could really just be seen as a one time event, but if Hamilton wins Canada, he will crumble again.

Rosberg had brakes problems and for goodness sake he almost got lapped by Hamilton...Would of been farcical to see him virtually holding up the whole grid while Riccardo saunters off!

Harika

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Rosberg had brakes problems and for goodness sake he almost got lapped by Hamilton...Would of been farcical to see him virtually holding up the whole grid while Riccardo saunters off!

Will he every time he has some issue with the car, let Hamilton pass? Especially at a track, where you barely can overtake. And those brake issues sometimes, miraculously get better. In later stages he was matching Hamilton times again, but then was stuck in traffic. For him, a second place with Hamilton in third would have been better, than a sixth place with Hamilton winning.

Spudman_20000

After the Barcelona shemozzle, I'd say Rosberg and Hamilton have been told to play nice or else.

I just hope the Barcelona incident doesn't have the same impact on Rosberg's title hopes that the collision in Spa 2 years ago did. The collision in Spa seemed to derail Rosberg's campaign that year.

Jayop

Absolutely no way does Hamilton let rosberg past if the roles were reversed.

mickdw

It was an ideal opportunity for rosberg to blow hamiltons head wide open. Even if he was dog slow, he could have made his car near impossible to pass. Hamilton would have steam coming out his ears. He would have tried a mad overtake and either done damage or took them both out again. Rosberg should have been closing the door like last race,even if it meant cutting Hamiltons wing off - Hamilton fairly sharply cut up Danny Ric.
As for team order - He is his main competitor and the team tells him to let him past - surely a broken radio is the only solution there.