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Cycle Lanes in Phoenix Park

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    #182
    beauf
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    I've been cycling through the park for years. Not had a problem with those parking or traffic. Those that are complaining about it. How does it effect you personally.

    Except when it's busy with walkers or joggers and people just walk out in front of you.


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    #183
    eeeee
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    The park and ride nature of the cars on Chesterfield Avenue is inexcusable IMO. There should be no parking on that road, there are plenty of places to park to enjoy the park, 11 or 12 carparks I think.
    The sides of the road could be given over to cyclists and the current cycle lane can be used for pedestrians. They are there already.
    The parking along that road adds nothing to the park, they don't make any money our of it, they have limited ability to add infrastructure for same without affecting the character of the park - the signage needed alone for paid parking would be hideous.
    Almost all the cars from the Heuston entrance to the second roundabout bar the garda cars are park and ride situations. That's inexcusable in a public park.


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    #184
    magicbastarder
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    beauf wrote: »
    Those that are complaining about it. How does it effect you personally.
    there are plenty of things which don't affect me personally, but which i've a justifiable objection to. that's not a benchmark by which i usually decide whether i should care or not.


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    #185
    ED E
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    nee wrote: »
    The park and ride nature of the cars on Chesterfield Avenue is inexcusable IMO. There should be no parking on that road, there are plenty of places to park to enjoy the park, 11 or 12 carparks I think.
    Weepsie wrote: »
    There are at least 11 car parks in the phoenix park as it is, possibly 12.


    Where are they out of curiosity? Papal Cross, Zoo, Visitor Centre + ?


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    #186
    Weepsie
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    ED E wrote: »
    Where are they out of curiosity? Papal Cross, Zoo, Visitor Centre + ?

    There's 2-3 near the magazine fort. Another 1 over at Mount Sackville side, 2-3 near the furry glen side too.

    1 at the cricket ground too.


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    #187
    beauf
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    Just close the park for a month for all cars. See how it works for everyone.

    You might want to warn all the the various facilities and hospitals that are in the park.

    They did it before they closed the main road and the north road (the latter for no reason).
    It was lovely and quiet and for months. Far less walkers on the cycle path.


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    #188
    beauf
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    there are plenty of things which don't affect me personally, but which i've a justifiable objection to. that's not a benchmark by which i usually decide whether i should care or not.

    Lots of people with no experience of cycling express lots of daft suggestions about cycling because they have no experience of it. They care a lot too.


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    #189
    Seth Brundle
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    beauf wrote: »
    Lots of people with no experience of cycling express lots of daft suggestions about cycling because they have no experience of it.
    Many of those get jobs with the councils designing and building cycling infrastructure!


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    #190
    buffalo
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    Surprised this wasn't posted already: http://phoenixpark.ie/visitor-experience-strategic-review/

    Deadline for submissions is tomorrow at 6pm:
    Observations with respect to the draft report can be made to visitorpark@opw.ie

    Now's the time to ask about some pedestrian and cyclist crossings, priority for same at junctions, less through-traffic, making the Park available for cycle races more easily, etc. Or whatever you're having yourself.


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    #191
    Tenzor07
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    beauf wrote: »
    Just close the park for a month for all cars. See how it works for everyone.

    Would be a great idea, close the park to through traffic at least... Special access only.
    Authorities would have to make car parking available somewhere though...


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    #192
    AndrewJRenko
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    buffalo wrote: »
    Surprised this wasn't posted already: http://phoenixpark.ie/visitor-experience-strategic-review/

    Deadline for submissions is tomorrow at 6pm:
    For something designed by a firm of architects, they seem to have zero clue about visual design - tiny font size, yellow text on white background and hidden text.


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    #193
    magicbastarder
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    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Would be a great idea, close the park to through traffic at least... Special access only.
    Authorities would have to make car parking available somewhere though...
    they did something reasonably akin to this a few years ago when the main avenue was closed for months for reconstruction.


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    #194
    beauf
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    they did something reasonably akin to this a few years ago when the main avenue was closed for months for reconstruction.

    I think it was closed for most of year. Even though they only worked on one section at a time. I used to cycle past it, and it was noticeable how little of it was being worked on at a time. Also noticeable how much less busy the park was with recreational users as well.

    Did the same when they were working on Blackhorse Ave. They closed North road in the park when it wasn't effected at all.


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    #195
    beauf
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    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Would be a great idea, close the park to through traffic at least... Special access only.
    Authorities would have to make car parking available somewhere though...

    Why? Walk to the park or cycle to it. No parking in it at all.


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    #196
    Hurrache
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    beauf wrote: »
    Why? Walk to the park or cycle to it. No parking in it at all.

    There needs to be, otherwise you're removing it as an amenity from most families. I live relatively close to it, but anyone from the D15 area knows how "entertaining" the cycle to it is when alone, never mind in a family group.

    A good walk around the park, or Zoo, is enough to half kill your kids too without having them walk or cycle home.

    By removing parking, or excluding park and ride facilities, it will take away one of the best facilities on that side of Dublin from many.


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    #197
    Chips Lovell
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    Make it easy to drive to, hard to drive through.


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    #198
    buffalo
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    buffalo wrote: »
    Surprised this wasn't posted already: http://phoenixpark.ie/visitor-experience-strategic-review/

    Deadline for submissions is tomorrow at 6pm:

    Observations with respect to the draft report can be made to visitorpark@opw.ie

    Now's the time to ask about some pedestrian and cyclist crossings, priority for same at junctions, less through-traffic, making the Park available for cycle races more easily, etc. Or whatever you're having yourself.

    Two summaries of the proposed changes:

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/skateboard-lanes-segways-and-even-a-funicular-a-look-at-the-new-proposed-visitor-experience-at-the-phoenix-park-38045201.html

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/vote-funicular-and-driverless-shuttle-for-the-phoenix-park-have-your-say-1.3869557


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    #199
    magicbastarder
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    they should also allow bike hire within the park (as in a business to operate from the papal cross car park or somewhere similar).
    i suspect the bike hire place at parkgate street would love the chance, would make them far more visible.


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    #200
    beauf
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    Hurrache wrote: »
    There needs to be, otherwise you're removing it as an amenity from most families. I live relatively close to it, but anyone from the D15 area knows how "entertaining" the cycle to it is when alone, never mind in a family group.

    A good walk around the park, or Zoo, is enough to half kill your kids too without having them walk or cycle home.

    By removing parking, or excluding park and ride facilities, it will take away one of the best facilities on that side of Dublin from many.

    If they block you driving through, (as everyone always suggests) it cuts off the zoo for you anyway. You'll have to drive around outside the park to get to it. Same if you want to get to Farmleigh from city end.

    If they close it to through traffic that leaves D15 with the single lane Navan road as the only main road into city.

    They could close chesterfield Ave and just have an orbital route inside the walls for access.


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    #201
    Weepsie
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    Hurrache wrote: »
    By removing parking, or excluding park and ride facilities, it will take away one of the best facilities on that side of Dublin from many.

    Let's flip that. By removing parking, it will improve one of the best facilities on that side of Dublin for many.

    It's a virtual car park for too many people. Too many people use it for free parking and head into town on it.


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    #202
    beauf
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    Introduce paid parking during business hours. Free for two hours. End of problem.


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    #203
    magicbastarder
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    and possibly cap it at a max of four hours. that should be ample time for a trip to the zoo.


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    #204
    RayCun
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    beauf wrote: »
    If they block you driving through, (as everyone always suggests) it cuts off the zoo for you anyway. You'll have to drive around outside the park to get to it. Same if you want to get to Farmleigh from city end.

    That isn't cutting off though, it would still be accessible by car.
    beauf wrote: »
    They could close chesterfield Ave and just have an orbital route inside the walls for access.

    'for access' implies no through traffic

    Chesterfield <-> Parkgate will always be kept open for zoo, Aras, embassy, and car park at the cross.
    Chesterfield to North Road, Ordnance Survey as far as Farmleigh, the road to the visitor centre, and North Road to North Circular could be kept open for some through traffic and access to the amenities in the zoo, but would stop the park being used as a main road and car park.


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    #205
    RayCun
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    and possibly cap it at a max of four hours. that should be ample time for a trip to the zoo.

    should be possible to link car parking to zoo tickets - parking included in ticket price if you are going to zoo, standard charges otherwise


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    #206
    Hurrache
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    beauf wrote: »
    If they block you driving through, (as everyone always suggests) it cuts off the zoo for you anyway. You'll have to drive around outside the park to get to it. Same if you want to get to Farmleigh from city end.

    If they close it to through traffic that leaves D15 with the single lane Navan road as the only main road into city.

    They could close chesterfield Ave and just have an orbital route inside the walls for access.

    It depends on where they close though. If access to the park is kept open from the west/north west there's nothing stopping us driving to some point within the park.


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    #207
    Hurrache
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    Weepsie wrote: »
    Let's flip that. By removing parking, it will improve one of the best facilities on that side of Dublin for many.

    It's a virtual car park for too many people. Too many people use it for free parking and head into town on it.

    If the issue is with people parking in order to commute, that's an issue that's easily resolved without the detriment to park users.


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    #208
    DublinWriter
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    and possibly cap it at a max of four hours. that should be ample time for a trip to the zoo.
    Maybe for a first date, but not when you have a rake of kids.


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    #209
    cgcsb
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    If we were more ambitious about the Park it could be car free. 2 bus routes operated by electric single deckers:

    1: Parkgate Street to Castleknock gate
    2: A circular route, North Road, Military Road, Upper Glenn Road

    make them every 10 minutes in summer and every 20 mins in winter

    Make the buses free to use, have the rest of the park for cycling and walking. Make the whole thing a zero emissions zone, Close the entrances to cars. No doubt the scheme proposed by the OPW will be much less ambitious.


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    #210
    Hurrache
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    The buses go from where though?


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    #211
    Tombo2001
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    Weepsie wrote: »
    Let's flip that. By removing parking, it will improve one of the best facilities on that side of Dublin for many.

    It's a virtual car park for too many people. Too many people use it for free parking and head into town on it.

    I've used the park a lot through the years - for cycling, running, visitor centre farmleigh, rolling down the hill at the popes cross....etc etc.....

    I've never really thought to myself - this place would be way better if there werent so many parked cars.

    In fact, thats only really ever been an issue when I've been looking to park a car myself.


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