AMD RX 4xx Discussion Thread

RossieMan · 08-07-2016 6:28pm

Thanks bloodbath, may as well pop for that card so.

Have everything else sorted apart from the GPU.

BloodBath · 08-07-2016 6:37pm

RossieMan wrote: »

Thanks bloodbath, may as well pop for that card so.

Have everything else sorted apart from the GPU.

Alternatively you could grab a new 970 for less if you don't want to wait for 480 stock. It could be a week or 2 for that. This is one of the best 1's you can get at a good price and free delivery if you really want something now and cheaper.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gigabyte-NVIDIA-Gaming-Graphics-Express/dp/B00NQ862GY/ref=sr_1_9?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1467999366&sr=1-9&keywords=gtx+970

dunworth1 · 08-07-2016 6:51pm

It's because Nvidia have managed to make themselves look like God's by buying market share with sponsoring the large games and making out amd are peasents.

Intel did a similar thing years back when they were paying manufacturers to use Intel over amd cpu. Which hampered amds reach and ability to research.

It's very funny that sales people will jump all over Intel/nvidia saying that they are miles better than amd when ordinary people wouldn't notice any difference.

I'll buy whichever is best value for price/performance and thats generally amd stuff.

It really is amazing what having loads of cash can do you can basically muscle your way to the top

Digital Solitude · 08-07-2016 6:55pm

AMDs CPUs aren't better than Intels Core range for price/performance. 290/390/480 vs a 970 is a matter of opinion, but CPUs Intel are genuinely a much better option for gaming

BloodBath · 08-07-2016 7:01pm

Until glorious Zen arrives at least.

FAILSAFE 00 · 08-07-2016 7:02pm

BloodBath wrote: »

Until glorious Zen arrives at least.

Please, no more AMD hype lol. I can't take anymore.

BloodBath · 08-07-2016 7:06pm

Haha, I hope they have their **** together this year anyway. Nvidia and Intel are starting to take the piss with their prices again.

I don't understand the rabbid Nvidia fanboys you see on other sites. Without AMD we would get gouged every gen. They bring balance to the force.

Serephucus · 08-07-2016 7:12pm

BloodBath wrote: »

I don't understand the rabbid Nvidia fanboys you see on other sites. Without AMD we would get gouged every gen. They bring balance to the force.

It's because none of them see it as gouging. All they see is "Wow! 980 Ti performance for only $380!" Never mind the fact that the card should be $350 at most.

TerrorFirmer · 08-07-2016 7:28pm

dunworth1 wrote: »

It's very funny that sales people will jump all over Intel/nvidia saying that they are miles better than amd when ordinary people wouldn't notice any difference.

I'll buy whichever is best value for price/performance and thats generally amd stuff.

It really is amazing what having loads of cash can do you can basically muscle your way to the top

In fairness there's more to it than that, AMD are leagues behind Intel with their CPU's.

Their GPU's until now very power inefficient and hot, but were from a performance point of view still good - that is changing, the newest releases are much improved.

Their CPU's though are a bit of a disaster that gets worse every year, to the point now where a €120 dual core i3 CPU can sometimes beat the fastest, power guzzling eight core CPU AMD has ever produced.

Whether Zen can turn it around remains to be seen. People aren't as stupid as are made out to be either - back when AMD had their AMD 64 and X2 cpu's, they were much faster than Intel's Pentium and Pentium D lines and for a few years AMD were the only choice for gaming, even though Intel pushed hard from a branding and marketing perspective.

If AMD came out with a killer card or CPU, people would buy it. But they haven't, they've been playing second fiddle to Intel and Nvidia for the most part - CPU's for 10 years now, GPU's more recently.

Serephucus · 08-07-2016 7:31pm

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

People aren't as stupid as are made out to be either

I agree with everything you said, except this bit.

I'd like to say I never cease to be amazed... but I've just let it go at this point. It's not their fault - people don't know tech like most of us would - but man.

Justwinginit · 08-07-2016 9:06pm

Forget about them prices now in the UK. Prices going up 10% because of the sterling drop. www.game-debate.com/news/20732/pc-hardware-manufacturers-raise-prices-in-uk-following-brexit-result

dunworth1 · 08-07-2016 9:19pm

BloodBath wrote:

I don't understand the rabbid Nvidia fanboys you see on other sites. Without AMD we would get gouged every gen. They bring balance to the force.

Other sites? Sometimes even here on boards the mere mentioned of amd brings out the nvidia/Intel guys to shoot down amd.

TerrorFirmer wrote:

In fairness there's more to it than that, AMD are leagues behind Intel with their CPU's.

I'm undoubted that amds lag behind Intel is due to the Intel buying the market a few years back.
You need money to research and you can't do that if you are being muscled out of the game.

Cuddlesworth · 08-07-2016 9:44pm

dunworth1 wrote: »

I'm undoubted that amds lag behind Intel is due to the Intel buying the market a few years back.
You need money to research and you can't do that if you are being muscled out of the game.

Funny story set about 10 years back, just before I started work in tech support in a sort of multinational. My boss wanted to purchase AMD desktops because at the time(just coming into the core2duo era) the AMD chips were better all round for a much better price. They got 2 in, went to install and got nothing but bluescreens on the corp windows xp image. Normal windows image worked fine. Project was scrapped, AMD desktops got dumped into a corner. I came in a few months later, discovered the 2 desktops and asked what was up. I ended up finding out that their were specific .dll files within the corp image that would only work with intel chips, took me about 2 months to figure it out and learned a **** ton about reading windows debugging. I still wonder if there was a very large brown paper bag behind that. I usually subscribe to the Hanlon's razor theory but that **** bugs me. That was at least 150k users for a good 6-8 years using that base image.

Little CuChulainn · 08-07-2016 10:40pm

Richard tea wrote: »

Delivery company have lost my RX480. I am getting a refund from amazon. I may as well wait for a AIB card now. Any recommendations?

Mine didn't show up either.

BloodBath · 08-07-2016 11:10pm

dunworth1 wrote: »

Other sites? Sometimes even here on boards the mere mentioned of amd brings out the nvidia/Intel guys to shoot down amd.

I noticed a bit of that but it's not bad here really. At least you can have a reasonable discussion.

Try WCCFTech if you want to see rabbid fanboys.

Richard tea · 09-07-2016 1:07am

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Mine didn't show up either.

Did you order from amazon s.a.r.l and was it Yodel that lost it.

Redfox25 · 09-07-2016 1:14am

The nvidea fan boys were responsible for sabotaging your shipments.
Makes perfect sense

Little CuChulainn · 09-07-2016 1:49pm

Richard tea wrote: »

Did you order from amazon s.a.r.l and was it Yodel that lost it.

Amazon. Probably just my lazy postwoman.

FAILSAFE 00 · 09-07-2016 2:25pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Amazon. Probably just my lazy postwoman.

According to the An Post website the term is now PostPerson

Very PC indeed.

ScawlDballs · 10-07-2016 12:52pm

sugarman wrote: »

Sapphire Radeon RX 480 Nitro+ OC looks good. Looks near identical to their 380 Nitro which got very good reviews.

I'm waiting for the same card and will order it on day one.
I've had two Sapphire HD 7770 vapor-x cards in my system since 2012 and they have been flawless in their operation (can of compressed air every 3 months).

I trust the brand and I'm looking forward to firing up Star Wars Battlefront with it

Redfox25 · 10-07-2016 8:27pm

What's the thought on the 490? Leaks seem to say it will be a dual gpu.

BloodBath · 10-07-2016 9:00pm

Redfox25 wrote: »

What's the thought on the 490? Leaks seem to say it will be a dual gpu.

I seriously doubt it. Makes 0 sense. It wouldn't be called a 490 if it was, it would be called a 485x2.

AMD have been using the x2 desigination for dual gpu's for about a decade now and usually only on their top tier cards so it would be a 495x2 and we haven't seen the 490 yet.

Unless it's some sort of VR card using 2 480's to render each screen but it still wouldn't be called a 490. That will be Vega with HBM2.

Redfox25 · 10-07-2016 9:07pm

Would be an odd decision but might make sense if vega is 6-8 months off and knocking up a 485x2 (490) would give them a chance to snipe some sales from nvidea owners who are waiting for cards to be in stock.

Even then can only assume it's a fair bit of work to get this to work.

BloodBath · 10-07-2016 9:21pm

Redfox25 wrote: »

Would be an odd decision but might make sense if vega is 6-8 months off and knocking up a 485x2 (490) would give them a chance to snipe some sales from nvidea owners who are waiting for cards to be in stock.

Even then can only assume it's a fair bit of work to get this to work.

Well we could be seeing more of this in the future if it's true. DX12 is supposed to offer better multi gpu support actually allowing the cards to share the same memory pool and better performance from split frame rendering as opposed to alternate frame rendering that we get now with crossfire/sli. It also means you won't need crossfire/sli profiles anymore.

Games will have to be designed with this in mind though so I don't know if it will ever take off. It might be good 5 years down the line but at the moment there's virtually no support.

I'd say it's definitely the future though. There won't be many more die shrinks coming. We're not going to see anything like the 28nm to 14nm shrink again. They will be lucky to make it to 8nm from 14 so multi gpu is the only way to go. They reckon 5nm is as small as they can go so we're almost there.

http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/gpu_displays/amd_explains_dx12_multi_gpu_benefits/1

K.O.Kiki · 10-07-2016 10:25pm

Welp, I think I'll be considering going AMD in the near future:

http://www.displaylag.com/asus-mg24uq-4k-gaming-monitor-review/

jonerkinsella · 10-07-2016 11:11pm

Redfox25 wrote: »

What's the thought on the 490? Leaks seem to say it will be a dual gpu.

A bit of that going on here,
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=408618

Little CuChulainn · 11-07-2016 2:45pm

jonerkinsella wrote: »

A bit of that going on here,
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=408618

Got the card today. Apparently it refuses to work with my motherboard. This is a sad day.

Cuddlesworth · 11-07-2016 2:52pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Got the card today. Apparently it refuses to work with my motherboard. This is a sad day.

Bios update?

Little CuChulainn · 11-07-2016 2:57pm

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Bios update?

I have a P67 GD55. When I looked it up there are a number of posts about the bios update frying the board. It's going a bit beyond my expertise level to mess around with the BIOS.

Lu Tze · 11-07-2016 3:24pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I have a P67 GD55. When I looked it up there are a number of posts about the bios update frying the board. It's going a bit beyond my expertise level to mess around with the BIOS.

Are you getting no display output or what is this issue? Can you try it in another machine to rule out that card is the issue?

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