AMD RX 4xx Discussion Thread

thegreenbean

woahthere wrote: »

when do you think we can order them in Ireland? Would you say we could order the Rx 480 tomorrow?

Not sure about order date but i believe they will be stocked in large numbers so it should be easy to get one.

Venom

woahthere wrote: »

when do you think we can order them in Ireland? Would you say we could order the Rx 480 tomorrow?

Overclockers have said they have 500 reference cards for launch day. AIB cards are about 2 weeks out at least tho.

woahthere

Venom wrote: »

Overclockers have said they have 500 reference cards for launch day. AIB cards are about 2 weeks out at least tho.

So I can't order for at least another 2 weeks?

thegreenbean

woahthere wrote: »

So I can't order for at least another 2 weeks?

You can. The AIB or add in board is the aftermarket boards from asus,evga etc. The stock AMD boards will release first and there's plenty of them. We just don't know when

Digital Solitude

bur wrote: »

Anyone recommend a motherboard and CPU in the same price range that would/should go well with this GPU? Gaming will be the most intensive thing it's used for.

Any i3/i5 with a cheap motherboard...

i5 6400 with a B150 for example, total cost about 230-240

B00MSTICK

Prices on Amazon UK now: 212 GBP Xfx 8gb Ref card (222 GBP for backplate version)
It does say out of stock however.

Edit: 212 GBP = ~256 eurons

Xenoronin

So when are we expecting the first news? Around 1pm like with NVidia?

Cuddlesworth

Xenoronin wrote: »

So when are we expecting the first news? Around 1pm like with NVidia?

9am CT according to a leak. So 3pm our time.

Xenoronin

That's cool. I don't know why I'm excited. I've restricted myself to NVidia with this damn G-Sync

ScawlDballs

I'm in the market for a new single gpu to replace my ageing HD 7770 vapor-x crossfire setup and was looking forward to ordering an RX 480.
I'll be looking to OC it though, so I suppose I'm better off sitting on my hands and waiting for the AIB's with better coolers to come out.

I'm getting impatient though

Redfox25

Xenoronin wrote: »

That's cool. I don't know why I'm excited. I've restricted myself to NVidia with this damn G-Sync

Hahahah

Im the same with my Freesync monitor and have been watching all the chat on the 1070 and 1080 thread with envy.

Roll on the AMD version later this year, early next year.

Shlippery

Eager to update from my aging 6870, may settle for a 470, but all depends on the Irish pricing! All will be revealed today hopefully.

VivGrise

Where would the best place be to try and snag one? Tried to even to backorder from Amazon and its gone.

ScawlDballs

VivGrise wrote: »

Where would the best place be to try and snag one? Tried to even to backorder from Amazon and its gone.

I use computeruniverse.net (are we allowed put urls for stores on here?).
After dabs closed, I switched to these guys and they are brilliant.

B00MSTICK

ScawlDballs wrote:

I'm in the market for a new single gpu to replace my ageing HD 7770 vapor-x crossfire setup and was looking forward to ordering an RX 480.
I'll be looking to OC it though, so I suppose I'm better off sitting on my hands and waiting for the AIB's with better coolers to come out.

I'm getting impatient though

Could easily be a shop! Tasty all the same

ScawlDballs

B00MSTICK wrote: »

Could easily be a shop! Tasty all the same

I'd say it's shopped.
That's the MSI 1080 card I think.

B00MSTICK

Prices on OCUK now

Venom

Reviews starting to drop

Justwinginit

£175 for an xfx 4gb version and £219 for 8gb version £239 for factory oc XFX version. Those prices are alright to me:-) I have a budget of around €300

Cuddlesworth

Bit surprised to see nothing about the 460/470

challengemaster

Surely unless you need the VRAM for something... an AIB GTX 970 makes more sense for exactly the same price, and it's actually better in benchmarks?

Venom

challengemaster wrote: »

Surely unless you need the VRAM for something... an AIB GTX 970 makes more sense for exactly the same price, and it's actually better in benchmarks?

Better software set on the Nvidia side as well.

K.O.Kiki

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Bit surprised to see nothing about the 460/470

Low-end cards don't make enough CPM :pac:

Justwinginit

challengemaster wrote: »

Surely unless you need the VRAM for something... an AIB GTX 970 makes more sense for exactly the same price, and it's actually better in benchmarks?

Older architecture, plus it beat the GTX 980 on HItman in DX12, and that's where it will shine I reckon, most of the benchmarks were in DX11....DX12 really brings it up...

K.O.Kiki

Consider me disappointed.

Redfox25

Wait a while for some more reviews, and for the AIB cards to come out and for those to be reviewed too I reckon.

challengemaster

Justwinginit wrote: »

Older architecture, plus it beat the GTX 980 on HItman in DX12, and that's where it will shine I reckon, most of the benchmarks were in DX11....DX12 really brings it up...

Older architecture isn't exactly going to bother me when it's beating newer stuff in games across the board. Unless you can point to one benefit of it being newer architecture?

And the 390 and 290X also beat the 970/980 in that Hitman benchmark. And you can by a reference R9 390 8gb for £199, or AIB for £229.

I'm really not seeing the point of this card now tbh. Apart from being "new", it's actually the worst option you can go for.

Cuddlesworth

challengemaster wrote: »

Older architecture isn't exactly going to bother me when it's beating newer stuff in games across the board. Unless you can point to one benefit of it being newer architecture?

And the 390 and 290X also beat the 970/980 in that Hitman benchmark. And you can by a reference R9 390 8gb for £199, or AIB for £229.

I'm really not seeing the point of this card now tbh. Apart from being "new", it's actually the worst option you can go for.

Its 1 review, released 2 hours ahead of the NDA. And AMD drivers are usually bad at launch. So calm your chops. Also it has at least caused the 970 to drop its price and for Nvidia to be reminded there is some semblance of competition.

FAILSAFE 00

Wow, glad I didn't put my 970 on adverts now at a low price because of the RX 480.

Loads of people rushed to sell their 970s at ridiculously low prices with the threat of the RX 480 looming.

This image comes to mind.

Venom

And some more reviews

K.O.Kiki

challengemaster wrote: »

Older architecture isn't exactly going to bother me when it's beating newer stuff in games across the board. Unless you can point to one benefit of it being newer architecture?

And the 390 and 290X also beat the 970/980 in that Hitman benchmark. And you can by a reference R9 390 8gb for £199, or AIB for £229.

I'm really not seeing the point of this card now tbh. Apart from being "new", it's actually the worst option you can go for.

Architecture, power consumption & heat.

At least they're now competing with GTX 970, and can trumpet their VRAM advantage (4.5Gb).

cherryghost

Really disappointed. Completely priced out of the market and some of the benchmarks are disappointing to say the least. They need to drop 50 euro to at least be considered already.

Lu Tze

I'm not really sure what peoples expectations were that they are now so disappointed.

The leaks mostly showed it was in the GTX970 performance range, which it is. Its the mid range card of this generation of GPUs from AMD, with GTX970 performance numbers more or less on day one driver, with the latest iteration of display connections, and only needs a 6 pin pci-express cable to power it. My media PC can run this without replacing the power supply.

And its relatively cheap.

If thats not your cup of tea, well there is still the bonus that it has forced price drops for the GTX970, so its win-win.

Justwinginit

Lu Tze wrote: »

I'm not really sure what peoples expectations were that they are now so disappointed.

The leaks mostly showed it was in the GTX970 performance range, which it is. Its the mid range card of this generation of GPUs from AMD, with GTX970 performance numbers more or less on day one driver, with the latest iteration of display connections, and only needs a 6 pin pci-express cable to power it. My media PC can run this without replacing the power supply.

And its relatively cheap.

If thats not your cup of tea, well there is still the bonus that it has forced price drops for the GTX970, so its win-win.

That's what I was thinking, It's actually 25w less power hungry than my R9 270 and a big step up.

Venom

Lu Tze wrote: »

I'm not really sure what peoples expectations were that they are now so disappointed.

The leaks mostly showed it was in the GTX970 performance range, which it is. Its the mid range card of this generation of GPUs from AMD, with GTX970 performance numbers more or less on day one driver, with the latest iteration of display connections, and only needs a 6 pin pci-express cable to power it. My media PC can run this without replacing the power supply.

And its relatively cheap.

If thats not your cup of tea, well there is still the bonus that it has forced price drops for the GTX970, so its win-win.

The newer display connections are a fair point alright but would the target market for this card need or use them?

As for pricing, AIB 390/390X's and 970/980's have dropped down in price by a huge margin due to the newer Nvidia and AMD cards so is it still that great a deal?

Richard tea

Lads give me the simplified opionon. Will this card cover new titles for the next 2 years?

B00MSTICK

Richard tea wrote: »

Lads give me the simplified opionon. Will this card cover new titles for the next 2 years?

What resolution do you play at?

Cuddlesworth

Venom wrote: »

The newer display connections are a fair point alright but would the target market for this card need or use them?

As for pricing, AIB 390/390X's and 970/980's have dropped down in price by a huge margin due to the newer Nvidia and AMD cards so is it still that great a deal?

They are reference cards and most charts are showing non reference 970's.

The 4gig version is about 220 delivered.
The cheapest 4 gig 970 reference is now about 260.
The 8gig version of the 480 is about 265.

Some tests show games that like their Vram having the 970 suffer. So, it competes with the 970, which has taken a sizable chunk out of its RRP over the last few months.

Venom

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

They are reference cards and most charts are showing non reference 970's.

The 4gig version is about 220 delivered.
The cheapest 4 gig 970 reference is now about 260.
The 8gig version of the 480 is about 265.

Some tests show games that like their Vram having the 970 suffer. So, it competes with the 970, which has taken a sizable chunk out of its RRP over the last few months.

That's the reference 480 price tho so you can expect the AIB cards to be around the €300 mark. Seeing as the reference card runs hot, is crap for overclocking and is loud as hell, I don't see this card as being good value at all.

Richard tea

B00MSTICK wrote: »

What resolution do you play at?

Lol I said simplify it. My monitor just died this week so I've ordered a 60hz benq. The latest game I have is gta v but I'll most likely buy the next installment of cod, battlefront.

ScawlDballs

I won't be touching the reference card myself.
Seen the 8gb on the supplier that I use for €289 but they don't have the 4gb yet (that's the one I want for 1080p gaming).

I've a great airy modified Antec 900 with good cable routing and super cooling, but I don't trust the ****ty cooler on that reference card.
I'll wait a few weeks for better units to drop.

Venom

Richard tea wrote: »

Lol I said simplify it. My monitor just died this week so I've ordered a 60hz benq. The latest game I have is gta v but I'll most likely buy the next installment of cod, battlefront.

What resolution is the new monitor tho? Consider it a need to know

1080p
1440p
4K

Venom

ScawlDballs wrote: »

I won't be touching the reference card myself.
Seen the 8gb on the supplier that I use for €289 but they don't have the 4gb yet (that's the one I want for 1080p gaming).

I've a great airy modified Antec 900 with good cable routing and super cooling, but I don't trust the ****ty cooler on that reference card.
I'll wait a few weeks for better units to drop.

You would be made not to get the 8GB version if you really must have this card as the 4GB cards use the old 7gbps GDDR5, but the 8GB ones use the new 8gbps GDDR5 also seen on the 1070.

And it seems AMD kinda fudged the crossfire performance info.

Alot.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480_CrossFire/

Cuddlesworth

Venom wrote: »

That's the reference 480 price tho so you can expect the AIB cards to be around the €300 mark. Seeing as the reference card runs hot, is crap for overclocking and is loud as hell, I don't see this card as being good value at all.

Assuming that the prices from overlockers are not a little inflated with it being launch day and all, I still don't see where you are coming from. Assuming your 35 euro increase for better coolers, a 4gig card will still be 40-50 Euros cheaper then a equivalent 970. That's a much higher cost/performance ratio then the 970 unless I'm missing something.

The initial early review showed ****e performance, but all the others now show the same results of a few better and a few slightly worse results on par with the 970. Unless the game uses all the vram, in which case the 8gig 480 wins out.

Cuddlesworth

Venom wrote: »

You would be made not to get the 8GB version if you really must have this card as the 4GB cards use the old 7gbps GDDR5, but the 8GB ones use the new 8gbps GDDR5 also seen on the 1070.

And it seems AMD kinda fudged the crossfire performance info.

Alot.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480_CrossFire/

Not really surprising, Crossfire and SLI suck and nobody should ever use them

Are you referencing the charts where they showed 480's using explicit GPU's in Ashes? Because in theory 2x performance should be possible with any set of cards, AMD or Nvidia. Its very similar to the concept of x86 multithreading. But in the same vein, its very dependent on the game engine actually being set up for it.

Redfox25

If you were going to show how good CrossFire was on your new card you would pick the game that would show that the best, not some game that didnt so its not fudging really. Its being relative with the truth.
Now if reviewers could not match those bench marks in the same game with the same set up then that is lying.
Interesting stuff.

Venom

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Assuming that the prices from overlockers are not a little inflated with it being launch day and all, I still don't see where you are coming from. Assuming your 35 euro increase for better coolers, a 4gig card will still be 40-50 Euros cheaper then a equivalent 970. That's a much higher cost/performance ratio then the 970 unless I'm missing something.

The initial early review showed ****e performance, but all the others now show the same results of a few better and a few slightly worse results on par with the 970. Unless the game uses all the vram, in which case the 8gig 480 wins out.

It will depend on the prices and performance of the AIB 480's but the reference card's poor overclocking ability is pretty shocking taking into account previous generations reference coolers from both AMD and Nvidia.

challengemaster

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Architecture, power consumption & heat.

At least they're now competing with GTX 970, and can trumpet their VRAM advantage (4.5Gb).

Power consumption sure it's better, but heat? Are you having a laugh? They're already 80+C before overclocking...

Lu Tze wrote: »

I'm not really sure what peoples expectations were that they are now so disappointed.

The leaks mostly showed it was in the GTX970 performance range, which it is. Its the mid range card of this generation of GPUs from AMD, with GTX970 performance numbers more or less on day one driver, with the latest iteration of display connections, and only needs a 6 pin pci-express cable to power it. My media PC can run this without replacing the power supply.

And its relatively cheap.

If thats not your cup of tea, well there is still the bonus that it has forced price drops for the GTX970, so its win-win.

Maybe it's just me, but I really am lost at the point of this card now. Hey guys look we finally caught up with two years ago? Slightly less performance than a 970. Pretty much same power consumption around 150W. 970 is still running cooler.

Oh look it only uses a single 6 pin? Well the Asus Strix 970 only uses a 6+2.

If it was actually $229 - as in launched in europe at €205-210, then it would be at the right price point to cause a bit of interest. Coming in at the same price as a R9 390 / GTX 970, with less performance...

Xenoronin

It's... fine? Like. Sure the hype train has been derailed but it's pretty much spot on where they were aiming for a VR ready, cheap graphics solution. I hoped for a clear beating of the 970 though, rather than a "in these very specific cases it beats it".

Cuddlesworth

challengemaster wrote: »

If it was actually $229 - as in launched in europe at €205-210, then it would be at the right price point to cause a bit of interest. Coming in at the same price as a R9 390 / GTX 970, with less performance...

The 8 gig or the 4 gig? The 8 gig is at the same price point as the 970 and has the advantage of vram. The 4 gig is significantly cheaper.

Regardless, I'm going to sit back and wait a few weeks to see where this is going. I might just end up with a 470.