Boards.ie needs increased moderation

Canadel

At present, explicitly racist, mysoginistic, homophobic, anti-traveller, anti-muslim posts and sentiments are viewed unfavourably by boards.ie and heavily moderated. I don't agree with the excessive moderation myself but that's my problem.

However, there is another group of people who receive no such protections. Poor people.

I've been following, and oft contributing to, discussions on boards for a few years, and while After Hours always produced a steady flow of "dole scrounger threads etc.", there was a certain awareness usually consistent in them, almost a self referential humour. And usually some balance.

But that has changed. I don't know why exactly. I can only guess it's because of the economic destruction of the last few years. Though perhaps it has been due to a turnover in poster demographics. Maybe human nature. Who knows.

However, the humour is now gone. And has been replaced with hatred. Not seriousness, or objectivity. No, it has simply shifted to blatant hate. Which is fine. We are all free to hate. And to express hate. Except not on boards, as alluded to at the start of this post.

So my question is, why is boards.ie allowing discussions facilitating hatred and prejudice towards poor people without even attempting to moderate such discussions, in the same way the moderators would do so on a thread regarding expressions of racism, homophobia etc.?

DeadHand

Canadel wrote: »

So my question is, why is boards.ie allowing discussions facilitating hatred and prejudice towards poor people without even attempting to moderate such discussions, in the same way the moderators would do so on a thread regarding expressions of racism, homophobia etc

Well, the "poor" in these cases tend to be Irish, white, Christian/non-religious and working class.

Not much virtue signalling to be had in defending such people- so they do not.

In stark contrast and as you correctly point out, refer to one of the pet minorities or protected ideologies in the same way and watch them spring self-righteously into action.

Tom Dunne

So now in addition to Boards.ie being anti-gay, anti-lesbian, anti-lgbt, anti-Muslim, anti-Jew, anti-Catholic, anti-Fianna Fail, anti-Fine Gael, anti-Labour, anti-Sinn Fein, anti-teacher, anti-Garda, anti-black, anti-immigrant, anti-Cork, anti-Limerick, anti-anyone-outside-the-pale, anti-cyclist, anti-anti-water charges, anti-free speech, anti-non-neoclassical economics, it is now anti-poor.

Duly noted.

Can we add misandrist to that list?

Oh and I don't like Mondays, but I don't know if that applies.

Wibbs

Increase the moderation? Jesus, please buddha, no. It's less it needs, not more.

Tom Dunne wrote: »

anti-anyone-outside-the-pale.

Well that's just common feckin sense to be fair.

it is now ant-poor.

You won't be saying that in a months time when they start to swarm.

Wibbs

Wibbs wrote: »

Increase the moderation? Jesus, please buddha, no. It's less it needs, not more.

Well that's just common feckin sense to be fair.

You won't be saying that in a months time when they start to swarm.

An ant uprising?

Lovely Bloke

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't like Mondays

Tell me why.

Baldy Conscience

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Tell me why.

I want to shooOOOOOOOt the whole. day. down.

HanaleiJ5N

I wish there were rules against starting pointless threads like this in feedback, a DR thread from a few months back will give an alternative perspective on the possible true agenda of this thread.

Winterlong

HanaleiJ5N wrote: »

I wish there were rules against starting pointless threads like this in feedback, a DR thread from a few months back will give an alternative perspective on the possible true agenda of this thread.

More moderation to stop threads requesting more moderation!

ancapailldorcha

Tom Dunne wrote: »

So now in addition to Boards.ie being anti-gay, anti-lesbian, anti-lgbt, anti-Muslim, anti-Jew, anti-Catholic, anti-Fianna Fail, anti-Fine Gael, anti-Labour, anti-Sinn Fein, anti-teacher, anti-Garda, anti-black, anti-immigrant, anti-Cork, anti-Limerick, anti-anyone-outside-the-pale, anti-cyclist, anti-anti-water charges, anti-free speech, anti-non-neoclassical economics, it is now ant-poor.

Duly noted.

I'd also like to note that I've observed an awful lot of anti-cat sentiment on this site.

Pat Mustard

Canadel wrote: »

So my question is, why is boards.ie allowing discussions facilitating hatred and prejudice towards poor people without even attempting to moderate such discussions, in the same way the moderators would do so on a thread regarding expressions of racism, homophobia etc.?

No coincidence that banging on about the poor was used as a smokescreen for trolling the hell out of a thread on Legal Discussion, yesterday.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057604428

And you ask for more moderation. Yeah, right.

Canadel

Wibbs wrote: »

Increase the moderation? Jesus, please buddha, no. It's less it needs, not more.

Instead of increased moderation, perhaps equality of moderation would be more apt? One of the most targeted, most criticised and most abused demographic by boards.ie users is poor people and those apparently "playing the system" and so on and so forth. And yet that demographic receives virtually none of the same protections as others do, such as women, travellers, gays, blacks, Muslims and so on.

Of course I would be in favour of less moderation on boards. And have argued so in the past. But surely you can see that when moderation does exist, it should be done on an equal level regarding hate speech towards certain groups?

Tom Dunne wrote: »

So now in addition to Boards.ie being anti-gay, anti-lesbian, anti-lgbt, anti-Muslim, anti-Jew, anti-Catholic, anti-Fianna Fail, anti-Fine Gael, anti-Labour, anti-Sinn Fein, anti-teacher, anti-Garda, anti-black, anti-immigrant, anti-Cork, anti-Limerick, anti-anyone-outside-the-pale, anti-cyclist, anti-anti-water charges, anti-free speech, anti-non-neoclassical economics, it is now anti-poor.

Duly noted.

No, just anti-constuctive feedback it appears.

Pat Mustard wrote: »

No coincidence that banging on about the poor was used as a smokescreen for trolling the hell out of a thread on Legal Discussion, yesterday.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057604428

And you ask for more moderation. Yeah, right.

So much hate is not good for anyone. If you have any on topic feedback to provide please do.

You know.. you don't actually have to use this site, right?

Canadel

Deleted User wrote: »

You know.. you don't actually have to use this site, right?

You know this is the feedback forum, right?

Tipperary Fairy

You know what I'd like to see, less tolerance for quoting huge chunks of text. It's so so so very irritating and makes me avoid threads where I know someone has done it.

They've clamped down on it in PI but I don't think I've seen it anywhere else. Really wish mobile users were considered more in the rules.

I think this thread has the potential to be a boards bashing thread rather than giving constructive feedback.

Tom Dunne

Canadel wrote: »

No, just anti-constuctive feedback it appears

Ok, I admit my reply to your post was somewhat facetious, but in all honesty, there is an element of truth to it.

So my question is, how do we define this type of person you are talking about and how do we moderate it? In other words, how do we identify when a poster has crossed the line on this matter and needs to be called out on it?

Genuine question, I'm trying to be constructive.

Tom Dunne

Deleted User wrote: »

I think this thread has the potential to be a boards bashing thread rather than giving constructive feedback.

Well, it has been at least 24 hours since we have had one.

Tom Dunne

Tom Dunne wrote: »

Well, it has been at least 24 hours since we have had one.

At least.

There seems to me, a new ish member, to be two groups of people giving feedback. Those with genuine concerns and ideas who really care about the site. The other group are the axe grinders.

intheclouds

Deleted User wrote: »

At least.

There seems to me, a new ish member, to be two groups of people giving feedback. Those with genuine concerns and ideas who really care about the site. The other group are the axe grinders.

The more constructive feedback is probably from the axe grinders then, as they have experienced something that gives them an axe to grind eh?

Permabear

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Taltos

intheclouds wrote: »

The more constructive feedback is probably from the axe grinders then, as they have experienced something that gives them an axe to grind eh?

To quote Jim Butcher
“Paranoid? Probably. But just because you're paranoid doesn't mean there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face.”

Fr_Dougal

So, some parts of boards are heavily moderated, which I don't agree with. But there's one part of boards that needs more moderation.

Yeah, have that conversation a few more times and let the mods action it every single time.

Would end up with nobody being able to post anything for fear of upsetting someone.

What boards needs to do is create a 'Safe Place' forum.

Zaph

RIGHTisRIGHT, if you can't make a point in this thread without personalising the discussion then please don't contribute any further.

Flint Fredstone

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LOL. The state of the sad, no life twats on that site :pac:

Cienciano

More moderation is definitely not what boards needs

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Edward Hopper

Someone is desperate to be a martyr to some cause or another and get banned, then he can flounce back to his other site full of indignation. That or he can't work out how to close his account by himself.

Flint Fredstone

RIGHTisRIGHT wrote: »

Funny they say exactly the same thing.:D

We're going to "dox" someone because we didn't like them on boards... with information and photos they made freely available on.. er... boards.
That place is the single, saddest, neck beard and pimple infested kip I've ever seen.

intheclouds

Cienciano wrote: »

More moderation is definitely not what boards needs


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They even delete it out of your private messages!!

The Backwards Man

Is this the equivalent of giving your kid forty fags and locking him in the shed until he has the whole lot smoked after you catch him having a sneaky puff?