Never-employed guy with 6 kids refuses accommodation provided by council in favour of

BalcombeSt4

tabby aspreme wrote: »

For me the worst aspect of the article is that the 17 yo son is living with his girlfriend, no doubt the cycle is about to begin again with the next generation.

Whats that suppose to mean?

Sweetemotion

JustTheOne wrote: »

But we're constantly told it's an unfair society and the poor get screwed while the rich get richer.

Absolute horse ****. This state is such a welfare state. You are better looked after if you don't bother working.

No wonder 1/3 of our expenditure is welfare.

It's a joke.

1/3 on welfare, you're a joke.

BalcombeSt4

JustTheOne wrote: »

But we're constantly told it's an unfair society and the poor get screwed while the rich get richer.

Absolute horse ****. This state is such a welfare state. You are better looked after if you don't bother working.

No wonder 1/3 of our expenditure is welfare.

It's a joke.

So do you mean that poor people are actually rich people and that rich people are actually poor people?

Phoebas

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

Whats that suppose to mean?

The cycle of long term welfare dependent families.

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I can't understand why people think this house if unsuitable for a family. There are plenty of similar houses in the immediate vicinity; I presume there are families in some of them.
The property just needs a simple fence or a wall.

JustTheOne

Sweetemotion wrote: »

1/3 on welfare, you're a joke.

Come again?

JustTheOne

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

So do you mean that poor people are actually rich people and that rich people are actually poor people?

No I'm saying these poor sections of society we hear so much about aren't actually that poor and the supposed rich aren't actually that rich.

The supposed rich finance the supposed poor to the point of working people receiving less money a week than someone who doesn't work.

Phoebas

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

So do you mean that poor people are actually rich people and that rich people are actually poor people?

This chap for example is on over €2k a month net, and has no rent to pay.

I think that would be considered pretty well off by most people. He certainly isn't poor.

Renegade Mechanic

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

Whats that suppose to mean?

I assume it means more meal tickets will be conceived and brought into the world, but that's just a guess.

FortySeven

Phoebas wrote: »

This chap for example is on over €2k a month net, and has no rent to pay.

I think that would be considered pretty well off by most people. He certainly isn't poor.

2800 a month with child benefit. Free rent and free healthcare for 8 people and it's starting to feel like I am being taken for a mug in this country.:mad:

Superhorse

FortySeven wrote: »

2800 a month with child benefit. Free rent and free healthcare for 8 people and it's starting to feel like I am being taken for a mug in this country.:mad:

Starting? It's been this way for years.

Sweetemotion

JustTheOne wrote: »

Come again?

One third of our tax, goes to welfare. come again?

JustTheOne

Sweetemotion wrote: »

One third of our tax, goes to welfare. come again?

It does. What's the problem?

Renegade Mechanic

JustTheOne wrote: »

It does. What's the problem?

http://i.imgur.com/8d6QapU.jpg

Superhorse

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

http://i.imgur.com/8d6QapU.jpg

Lol what's that picture got to do with the discussion? Did you post it by mistake.

Capt'n Midnight

dublinman1990 wrote: »

The worst thing that I read in the article was that he had afforded himself to buy a 4x4 for his own family on welfare.

He has a certain air of entitlement about him that no doubt is despicable.

Expensive things to run with all the tax and insurance.

Keane2baMused

namloc1980 wrote: »

€500 per week plus no accommodation expenses!

It's not free accommodation, they have to pay rent.

FortySeven

Keane2baMused wrote: »

namloc1980 wrote: »

500 per week plus no accommodation expenses!

It's not free accommodation, they have to pay rent.

Nothing like a worker pays. Otherwise there would be no need for social housing.

Gatling

Keane2baMused wrote: »

It's not free accommodation, they have to pay rent.

€168 pm

sdanseo

That man takes home more per week than I do after tax (most of which appears to be paying for his rent). Either the state needs to cut off his benefits completely, or he needs to be jailed until they leave and pay back every cent in rent unpaid. That simple. The rest of us have to live by the law, and so should everyone.

languagenerd

I know these articles/threads are meant to be rabble-rousing, but I can't help being angry reading that. Why the f**k are we bothered working? I work crap hours spread over 6, sometimes 7, days a week, I earn less than this guy gets for sitting on his arse and he gets free accommodation & medical expenses?! If I became unemployed now, the most social welfare would offer me is less than a 6th of what he gets, because I worked part-time 2 years ago and they'd base it on that. My friend gets zero because they had to to move home and their parents are working.

We'd actually be better off if we and our parents had never bothered working a day in our lives or saving anything. The system is seriously broken.

MarkAnthony

The biggest scandal in all of this is why in the name of fcuk was a local authority house empty for 2 months with a housing list of 1200 people?

If someone was living in the fecking thing they couldn't have squatted in it.

MarkAnthony

Gatling wrote: »

There's room for a fence /wall and gate



R397

https://goo.gl/maps/2Pm9V31noV72

Fook me, getting the car serviced in Longford from now on!

foggy_lad

As far as I know the garage owner uses the space in front of the house for parking so there can't be a fence put up.

While I think they are milking the welfare system I also think that house is deadly unsuitable and for the council to try to force it on a family with small children there is something not right!

Even the worst civil servants in the country could see the dangers of that house, busy road at the front and busy garage at the back, they are just begging for a child to be killed!

Who chose that house for this family and why? Does anyone in the council have any connection with the house or its owner's?

DEFTLEFTHAND

Housing is not a right, the State are under no obligation to house you just because you bad lifestyle choices.

I've a boy 3 years of age. The reason I work is because of him, he is my responsibility not the state's . I went to the bank to take out a mortgage to buy a home that he can live in.

I work and I pay my way, I earned what I have.

rawn

foggy_lad wrote:

As far as I know the garage owner uses the space in front of the house for parking so there can't be a fence put up.

Can't the fence have a gate?

JupiterKid

I usually stand up for people on low income who need State support but this is just taking the complete pi&&.

He sounds like Frank from Shameless. a total wastrel of a human being.

And there is definitely a growing problem of a welfare dependent section of society.

flas

Im originally from Longford town,with the money that absolute scrounger is on a week he could have a very nice house no problem and he wouldn't even have to work for it... Cost of living down the country is tiny compared to Dublin,its night and day the difference...this fella more than likely cant move to certain areas because of fueds and the like,there was a load of incidents in kenagh in that very estate a few years ago,all to do with traveller fueds, it has the whole region under a dark cloud

suicide_circus

The idea that you can refuse free accomdation and then the authorities have to find you somewhere else should cease immediately.

Then lower the threshold at which the CAB can seize assets, from 30k to 1k (as I heard mentioned on the radio last week).

Galwayguy35

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

There are a few different issues here. The welfare issue is one, and there's no doubt the guy appears to have a bad attitude to work. The squatting is also a separate issue, and should be dealt with by the Gardai.

But the house allocated by the Council is obviously unsafe.

There's no boundary against the very busy road, and it's surrounded by a garage with heavy machinery. There is no garden. The kids will have to be locked in the house, and even then, the parents will have to be tirelessly watching and checking on them.

Whatever you think about that man and his actions, I don't think any of us would be comfortable having so many small children in that environment. On that issue alone, I think the Council have really messed up.

Well boo hoo, it's so hard on him all right.

Let him pay someone to put up a fence or build a wall, amazing isn't it how the rest of us with houses can get a wall built.

But sure why pay 42 quid a week in rent when you can move into another persons property and live for free.

Give him a high viz and let him get up off his hole and clean the streets or cut back ditches or something, he doesn't need to know how to read to work a shovel.

onform

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

he doesn't need to know how to read to work a shovel.

I'd say if he was given a shovel, he'd be looking for the on/off switch...

This annoys me. As mentioned, the guy is living on c.2.8k per month plus medical card.

I went to college, struggling through for 7 years financially to get where I am today. I've a good public service job. I work hard but I don't come near what he earns. I get up each morning drive to work, and work for the day. Each week I get crucified with taxes.

This guy sits on his hole and has done all his life, yet he earns more than me....significantly more than me. How can this be right?

I pay health insurance, he and his family have free medical treatment.

I pay a significant part of my wages in taxes. He pays none. Yet he gets more from the state than I do.

How can this be right?
How many more just like him are out there?

I think anyone defending this are equally as bad.

namloc1980

FortySeven wrote: »

2800 a month with child benefit. Free rent and free healthcare for 8 people and it's starting to feel like I am being taken for a mug in this country.:mad:

Throw in things like back to school allowance and you're looking at the equivalent of north of a €50k salary.

A_Sober_Paddy

People like this should be castred and made work absolute leech

spakman

namloc1980 wrote: »

FortySeven wrote: »

2800 a month with child benefit. Free rent and free healthcare for 8 people and it's starting to feel like I am being taken for a mug in this country.:mad:

Throw in things like back to school allowance and you're looking at the equivalent of north of a 50k salary.

He probably supplements that income further with traditional traveller income methods....

''With Doyle in the room are his wife Frances and their youngest child, John Paul jnr (2). The couple have five other children: Michael (17) who is now living with his girlfriend; Jordanna (14) who has a heart murmur; Frances (10); Winnie (7); and Mary (6).''


Im in shock at the 17 year old living with a 14 year old !!!


my bad, I read that wrong

lollsangel

Jake1 wrote: »

''With Doyle in the room are his wife Frances and their youngest child, John Paul jnr (2). The couple have five other children: Michael (17) who is now living with his girlfriend; Jordanna (14) who has a heart murmur; Frances (10); Winnie (7); and Mary (6).''


Im in shock at the 17 year old living with a 14 year old !!!

Jordanna is his sister. I read it wrong the first time too

lollsangel

lollsangel wrote: »

Jordanna is his sister. I read it wrong the first time too

yup I just came back to edit

Could he have not built a little front garden at the council house?
I know it would be small compared to the one hes squatting in, but lots of children grow up without a large garden. Children in flats would only have a small balcony.
So if other families can make it work, why cant this man?

spakman

Jake1 wrote: »

Could he have not built a little front garden at the council house?
I know it would be small compared to the one hes squatting in, but lots of children grow up without a large garden. Children in flats would only have a small balcony.
So if other families can make it work, why cant this man?

Because he has never done anything for himself. He lazes around and waits for the state to provide, which it always does.

bobbyss

I am confused.
What exactly is the €490 for?
Dole? What about kids allowance?
Disability? He said he was on disability. What disability did the article mention? All he said was that he could not read and write.
Can you get disability for that? Soon he will be a grandfather and his grandchildren will need a place to live. Has he ever tried to do a literacy course I wonder?

snubbleste

It's not actually a Council house. It's a private property with rent supplement.

JustTheOne

TheTorment wrote: »

This annoys me. As mentioned, the guy is living on c.2.8k per month plus medical card.

I went to college, struggling through for 7 years financially to get where I am today. I've a good public service job. I work hard but I don't come near what he earns. I get up each morning drive to work, and work for the day. Each week I get crucified with taxes.

This guy sits on his hole and has done all his life, yet he earns more than me....significantly more than me. How can this be right?

I pay health insurance, he and his family have free medical treatment.

I pay a significant part of my wages in taxes. He pays none. Yet he gets more from the state than I do.

How can this be right?
How many more just like him are out there?

I think anyone defending this are equally as bad.

When you have political groups like AAA people before profit and sinn fein harping on about the poor vulnerable and travellers rights what do we expect?

Everyday it's a sob story in the paper and people run with it and blame enda Kenny.

We're setting a dangerous precedent in this country where a large portion are now thinking the state owes them a house and money just for simply being born in the country.

It's getting worst.

As I said 1/3 of our expenditure is on welfare.

That is just not sustainable in the long run. No wonder health and other areas are suffering.

stefanovich

bobbyss wrote: »

I am confused.
What exactly is the €490 for?
Dole? What about kids allowance?
Disability? He said he was on disability. What disability did the article mention? All he said was that he could not read and write.
Can you get disability for that? Soon he will be a grandfather and his grandchildren will need a place to live. Has he ever tried to do a literacy course I wonder?

Aha so the key is to be completely feckless and lazy your entire life including childhood. Then when you cant even ****ing read or write you can claim disability. His only disability is laziness. Why the hell does he have so many children? He is a burden on society nothing more and nothing less. Does he not feel worthless?

Annasopra

bigroad wrote: »

What did Big Leo say the other day was it, make work pay...
With that level of social welfare and a nice house for 40 odd quid a week ,Leo will have a mountain to climb.

500 quid a week for a family of 8 with no other supports is excessive?

Annasopra

ZeitgeistGlee wrote: »

Because nobody has ever had to compromise where they might like to live for the sake of what they can afford. :rolleyes:

Would you live with young children on a dangerous road? Literally on a dangerous road?

JustTheOne

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

500 quid a week for a family of 8 with no other supports is excessive?

Child allowance.
Her dole.
free medical cards.
probably fuel allowance.
And a host of other nice goodies I'm sure us working folk haven't a clue about.

Annasopra

mikeym wrote: »

I might quit my job and have 6 kids myself.

Money for nothing.

What are you going to do refuse to feed or clothe your kids so you can save all the money?

Annasopra

JustTheOne wrote: »

Child allowance.
Her dole.
free medical cards.
probably fuel allowance.
And a host of other nice goodies I'm sure us working folk haven't a clue about.

For a family of 8

And she doesnt get any dole. The 490 is his payment plus extra for her and the children.

stefanovich

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

What are you going to do refuse to feed or clothe your kids so you can save all the money?

He could be a man and get a job and provide for his children? Or perhaps not have any in the first place?

spakman

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

mikeym wrote: »

I might quit my job and have 6 kids myself.

Money for nothing.

What are you going to do refuse to feed or clothe your kids so you can save all the money?

That traveller's kids aren't starving or running around naked are they?