English poetry, any educated guesses?

TheBiz

I've to learn off quotes, I got lucky in the mock having looked over Durcan quotes the morning before and ended up getting 38/50 only talked about 3 poems.. I got a C1 overall.

I want to be a bit more prepared for the actual thing.

Any educated guesses on who will come up?
Learning off 5 poets and 6 poems is unlikely between now and the exam.

I'm thinking maybe Durcan since he's never came up, Yeats (rising etc) and maybe Bishop to have a female poet.

I want to avoid Larkin as I find him a miserable old sod, and I'm undecided between Bishop and Dickinson.
What do you think?

Giotar

I think either one of Bishop or Dickinson is almost guaranteed. Just in case, I did a tiny bit on Plath and Ni Chuilleanain as well - there always has to be a female poet

TheBiz

Giotar wrote: »

I think either one of Bishop or Dickinson is almost guaranteed. Just in case, I did a tiny bit on Plath and Ni Chuilleanain as well - there always has to be a female poet

We're only doing Bishop and Dickinson. I heard in a revision course that Dickinson would be likely.
I've got it in my head to go with Durcan and Dickinson because if Yeats does come up, because he's so tipped to come up, it will probably be a difficult question..

lumosteph

I'm studying Eliot, Dickinson, Bishop and Larkin. Feel I'm pretty safe tbh.

DublinArnie

I'm guessing Bishop and/or Durcan will come up.

legocrazy505

Eliot, Durcan, Bishop, Dickinson are the ones I'm mainly focused on. I don't really like Eliot but if it's an easy going question over the rest I'll write on it.

TheBiz

We're covering Bishop, Dickinson, Durcan, Yeats, Larkin.
Larkin is one I want to avoid, Durcan and Yeats are the ones I'll concentrate on but I'm not 100% and I'll go through either Bishop or Dickinson.

I feel like I might be setting myself up for a fail but I can't very well learn 4/5 poets quotes in the time we have left.
What do ye think?

legocrazy505

TheBiz wrote: »

We're covering Bishop, Dickinson, Durcan, Yeats, Larkin.
Larkin is one I want to avoid, Durcan and Yeats are the ones I'll concentrate on but I'm not 100% and I'll go through either Bishop or Dickinson.

I feel like I might be setting myself up for a fail but I can't very well learn 4/5 poets quotes in the time we have left.
What do ye think?

Well given you should already have a good grasp of them revising over four and even knowing a fifth as a backup should be very easy to do. Even if you do two one day, two the next and at some point briefly have a look at a fifth.

spurious

Whatever you do, don't put all your eggs in one basket.

TheBiz

spurious wrote: »

Whatever you do, don't put all your eggs in one basket.

I'm trying to cover all bases within reason but I just don't know if I am.
I certainly don't want to go in look at the poetry and just have a mirage of cursing for internal monologue

emersyn

I'm doing Yeats, Bishop, Dickinson, Plath and Eliot with a focus on Yeats and Bishop. My predictions would be Yeats, Eliot, Durcan and either Bishop or Dickinson. Absolutely can't stand Durcan though

TheBiz

emersyn wrote: »

I'm doing Yeats, Bishop, Dickinson, Plath and Eliot with a focus on Yeats and Bishop. My predictions would be Yeats, Eliot, Durcan and either Bishop or Dickinson. Absolutely can't stand Durcan though

So aince I'm not going Plath or Eliot, maybe I should go with Yeats, Durcan, bishop/Dickinson (Dickinson is due up apparently).
Why do you hate Durcan?

emersyn

TheBiz wrote: »

So aince I'm not going Plath or Eliot, maybe I should go with Yeats, Durcan, bishop/Dickinson (Dickinson is due up apparently).
Why do you hate Durcan?

He just bores the hell out of me on every level, I can't think of anything appealing about his work - everything reads like pretentious, forced, superficial drivel. Although my favourite is Bishop and I know lots of people on here feel the same way about her as I do about Durcan, so each to their own!

randylonghorn

TheBiz wrote: »

I want to be a bit more prepared for the actual thing.

Any educated guesses on who will come up?

The only way to be certain that you will have at least one poet on the paper you're prepared for is to cover 5 to at least some extent. Obviously, you're unlikely to cover all 5 at the same detailed level, but covering say 3 well and having a quick look over another 2 should leave you able to make some attempt at a question even if the worst happens.

Giotar wrote: »

Just in case, I did a tiny bit on Plath and Ni Chuilleanain as well - there always has to be a female poet

There doesn't actually ... nor does there have to be an Irish poet, there's no such rule in the curriculum.

There is a trend / tradition that there will be at least one woman / one Irish poet, and I'm not saying that this is the year they will change that, but be aware that it's not written in stone.

Giotar

There doesn't actually ... nor does there have to be an Irish poet, there's no such rule in the curriculum.

There is a trend / tradition that there will be at least one woman / one Irish poet, and I'm not saying that this is the year they will change that, but be aware that it's not written in stone.

Well, if the 4 men come up my class is pretty much screwed! We looked at the 4 women and had a very brief look at Durcan but I don't know anyone who studied him in detail. I'll be lighting a few candles the night before, so I think I'm safe.

DublinArnie

Everyone here hoping for Yeats to come up... And I'm here refusing to study him (even though he's my 5th poet) because his work is so boring.

Gonna read over notes and his poetry the day before but I'm banking on my other poets!

Don't know how you guys enjoy Yeats or find him easier than the likes of Durcan, Larkin etc.

I'm gonna end up lighting a church nevermind a candle, for luck.

legocrazy505

DublinArnie wrote: »

Everyone here hoping for Yeats to come up... And I'm here refusing to study him (even though he's my 5th poet) because his work is so boring.

Gonna read over notes and his poetry the day before but I'm banking on my other poets!

Don't know how you guys enjoy Yeats or find him easier than the likes of Durcan, Larkin etc.

I'm gonna end up lighting a church nevermind a candle, for luck.

Yeats is pretty easy for me to do since we did him for the JC along with Plath. I won't really look over him much either though for the LC since I really don't like Easter 1916, The Second Coming and Sailing to Byzantium. Durcan, Dickinson and Bishop are the ones I find easiest.

TheBiz

I generally enjoy poetry but Larkin... Oh no...

Oh is everyone here doing 6 poems per poet?

lumosteph

TheBiz wrote: »

Oh is everyone here doing 6 poems per poet?

Eliot I do 4. For the rest I do 5 and maybe briefly mention a sixth.

legocrazy505

lumosteph wrote: »

Eliot I do 4. For the rest I do 5 and maybe briefly mention a sixth.

Our teacher just told us to do three for Eliot if you are including Prufrock. For the rest we cover four and mention the other two if possible.

emersyn

On the note of paper 2 does anyone have any suggestions about what to focus on for King Lear? I know it's a lot harder to predict than the poetry but I'm getting kind of overwhelmed with revision

Bazinga_N

emersyn wrote: »

On the note of paper 2 does anyone have any suggestions about what to focus on for King Lear? I know it's a lot harder to predict than the poetry but I'm getting kind of overwhelmed with revision

Characters, Themes, Imagery, Language and how the sub-plot mirrors the main plot.

emersyn

Bazinga_N wrote: »

Characters, Themes, Imagery, Language and how the sub-plot mirrors the main plot.

Yeah, narrowing it down from there is the bit I'm having the trouble with

siebey123

emersyn wrote: »

On the note of paper 2 does anyone have any suggestions about what to focus on for King Lear? I know it's a lot harder to predict than the poetry but I'm getting kind of overwhelmed with revision

Major themes like sight and blindness, theme of love, madness , imagery and symbolism, is Lear a tragic hero? Why study the the play? Power and justice.

Remember you will always have a choice between a character question and a theme or imagery/symbolism question

koolis02

Would they ever ask a character question on characters like Kent or The Fool or do they tend to focus on the main ones? Don't know is it worth studying them

DublinArnie

emersyn wrote: »

Yeah, narrowing it down from there is the bit I'm having the trouble with

There isn't much to learn about King Lear, don't know how you're overwhelmed?

Just know the play, and happens during the key scenes. A few key quotes here and there aswell.

The themes are all common sense and scenes and quotes are easy to morph into the question if you think outside the box.

Techniques used by Shakespeare to create an enthralling piece are also not too complicated. (universal themes, fallacy, dramatic irony, characterisation etc).

TheBiz

Seems like every school is doing King Lear, and then there's us doing 'Great Gatsby and Wuthering Heights, The Artist and Othello for our comparative!

Bazinga_N

koolis02 wrote: »

Would they ever ask a character question on characters like Kent or The Fool or do they tend to focus on the main ones? Don't know is it worth studying them

If I did come up sure just do the other question! You'll always have the option.

Giotar

TheBiz wrote: »

Seems like every school is doing King Lear, and then there's us doing 'Great Gatsby and Wuthering Heights, The Artist and Othello for our comparative!

We're doing Wuthering Heights as our single text. It's a fu*king nightmare! Othello, The King's Speech and New Town Soul for Comparative. NTS is even worse than WH

Leavingcert16

Does anybody think Ni Chuilleanain could come up I really don't want her to

TheBiz

Leavingcert16 wrote: »

Does anybody think Ni Chuilleanain could come up I really don't want her to

Well she came up last year, I wouldn't say 'oh she'll definitely come up' but there's always a chance

legocrazy505

TheBiz wrote: »

Well she came up last year, I wouldn't say 'oh she'll definitely come up' but there's always a chance

And her question was answered poorly. To be honest if you don't want her to come up why worry? There will be three others to pick from.

Leavingcert16

I have only done 5 poets so I was just wondering if I might get away with not focusing on her as much as the others

Ovomos

Not about poetry but does anybody know if you're doing the feature article in p1 does it have a specific layout? Are there certain things I have to include?

legocrazy505

Ovomos wrote: »

Not about poetry but does anybody know if you're doing the feature article in p1 does it have a specific layout? Are there certain things I have to include?

Pretty sure it's just a title/heading at the top. Don't know if you include a name though because our teacher only really ever said you need a heading for it. The content just write it how an article normally is written and be aware of the audience you are writing to.

cheeto

Dickinson or Bishop?

TSMGUY

cheeto wrote: »

Dickinson or Bishop?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgk-lA12FBk

Ovomos

legocrazy505 wrote: »

Pretty sure it's just a title/heading at the top. Don't know if you include a name though because our teacher only really ever said you need a heading for it. The content just write it how an article normally is written and be aware of the audience you are writing to.

Ah so it's just like a normal essay only with a headline?

cuprugby333

If you study only 3 poets there is a 92% chance of one coming up

emersyn

When you're quoting Dickinson are you expected to remember her exact capitalisation and punctuation?

Consonata

emersyn wrote:

When you're quoting Dickinson are you expected to remember her exact capitalisation and punctuation?

It would be a very harsh examiner that would mark you down for that. But I guess if you can remember them,put them in, you might impress the marker

TheBiz

Crisis averted, hope everyone got who they wanted!

randylonghorn

No more guessing ... for this year anyway!