Season 6 Episode 7 "The Broken Man" - "Book readers"

Jofspring

riffmongous wrote: »

Maybe she wanted them to think they got her? Risky but better than looking over her shoulder the rest of her life?

The faceless man always seemed to know what arya had done before she would even tell him so I'd imagine if the waif says she killed arya he will know she didn't.

Witcher

Anyone else think there's an higher chance of LS this season than in previous ones? I know it's said every year, people cite references to the RW as evidence she's coming etc. but there seems to be a bit more going on in the way of 'evidence' this year.

Personally I stopped really considering it when she didn't show just after the RW episode but there's just something about this year that has me thinking it again; scenes in the show, future scenes from trailers, interviews that have been given by some of the cast, the way characters are placed at the moment etc.

I dunno how you all feel about it but if she did turn up I wouldn't be suprised.

nicki11

Squeled when I saw the hound was a brilliant episode.

I hope Arya will be ok and get her revenge and that Theon will get over his trauma but I thought it was very well played out. Maragaery seems to be up to something which I'm glad about because I'd hate for the Sparrow will win.

Loved the Blackfish and Jaime (especially the backhand and Bronn). Looks like the brotherhood has finally turned which while awful (is there allowed to be one happy village) at least we have Sandor back and ready to bash.

Hope Sansa wasn't stupid enough to trust littlefinger again and that letter wasn't to him but it probably is.... sigh.

Jelle1880

I genuinely thought it would be Gendry when I saw the blacksmith guy, pleasantly surprised since now we all know what'll happen

That girl who played Lady Mormont killed it.

GerB40

Strider wrote: »

Anyone else think there's an higher chance of LS this season than in previous ones? I know it's said every year, people cite references to the RW as evidence she's coming etc. but there seems to be a bit more going on in the way of 'evidence' this year.

Personally I stopped really considering it when she didn't show just after the RW episode but there's just something about this year that has me thinking it again; scenes in the show, future scenes from trailers, interviews that have been given by some of the cast, the way characters are placed at the moment etc.

I dunno how you all feel about it but if she did turn up I wouldn't be suprised.

After the final scene of season 4 I had made peace with the fact that they were leaving out such a huge twist. Although Lady Stoneheart hasn't been up to much in the books, bar the odd hanging, I still love the fact that she's a part of the story. I get why people see her as a pointless character but I personally love LS and I hope she has a bigger role in the books to come.

As such I was ragin that she was left out but I felt that halfway through season 5, if she was to be reintroduced it would have been lazy use of the classic 'Game of Thrones twist' and little more than fan service. But I agree with you completely about there being "something" about this season that wouldn't surprise or disappoint me to see her return. The Mountain, The Hound, Jon Snow, Rickon, Osha, Edmure, The Blackfish. All those characters were supposed to be gone but are now back. It's like the writers were waiting until resurrection (or just surprise returns) were essential to the story to start bringing back a slew of characters they knew were going to be returning.

ixoy

Great line of the night for me:

Jaime: A Lannister always-
Bronn: Don't say it. Don't f**king say it!

Lackey

I thought that Theon and Lana are where Arya is? I thought that's way the ships captain said?

Witcher

Lackey wrote: »

I thought that Theon and Lana are where Arya is? I thought that's way the ships captain said?

He said they were in Slaver's Bay.

Nerdlingr

Swegen!!

Mr.Prodston

I really, really enjoyed that episode. So much so I didn't even try and pick up on any faults :pac:

The Hound - Woof woof!

Bronn - 1 minute of air time but what a minute!

The Blackfish - Badass!

Yet again my hopes have been built up for Lady S but just know it'll never happen. The teasing if she doesn't show will be another reason to dislike D and D!

Lady Mormont - cracking scene!

Plot twist: What if "Arya" was Jaqen testing the waif? Like where would she have gotten all that money? Also somewhat against type to openly flaunt herself after disobeying the world's leading assassins. Plus we last saw her hiding in a darkened room? Or is that a little overthinking :pac:

ItsChecoTime

Something I noticed in tonight's episode that I hadn't really noticed before is that the show has lost a bit of it's shock factor in the sense that when Arya got stabbed I automatically thought ahh she will be fine. Think the shock factor may be something that the book has been able to maintain while the show is starting to lose, could just be this occasion cause Arya won't be dying anytime soon.

Really enjoyed the episode nonetheless

Tipsy McSwagger

There's a reason that was such a great episode...........no Daenerys.

podgemonster

One Word: Wow

Fantastic episode, they even said **** the credits. What opened was this happy community chipping away and building a sept in the green hills with Ian McShane at the helm. The ominous back shot of an towering figure and then the spinning camera around to the face of Sandor Clegane. Natural all happy communities in GoT are doomed and the hound is once again unleashed, Pefect. McShane stole the short scenes he was in. The scenes in this little Shire like area were unique, it was almost like a different show altogether but in a good way.

They really captured the mucky messy siege of Riverrun. The rough unorganized, witless and dishonorable Freys. The stubborn hardy battle-worn BlackFish. Could easily watch a series on that siege. Great to see Bronn back and quick as ever.

Natalie Dormer was excellent this week so subtle in her acting to show when shes playing the game and when she's herself. The non-spoken eye contact with Olenna was all the warning the Queen of Thorns needed. Kinda weird Tommen divulged to the high sparrow he wasn't getting any High Garden hoop.

Jon and Sansa's campaign trail was entertaining particularly Bear Island. Jon swinging the Wildlings and Davos again the voice of reason and sense on Bear Island. I imagine Sansa's letter is to LF now realizing the need for numbers

Six entire episodes and not one mention of Dorne. Christ i hope they are not going to pop out of nowhere and stab Cersei or some bollox like that.

awec

What scene was this supposed "most fun shooting" scene? The episode was really good, though I don't remember any scenes that stood out as particularly noteworthy.

Also I think LS would give such a huge TV wow factor / shocking plot twist that they'll add the character eventually. It could end up being an episode 9 or 10 end of season cliffhanger, but it's exactly the sort of thing that'd grab attention and get people talking. With nothing more than a hunch I would guess they'll build toward that in the next few episodes.

Jofspring

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

Plot twist: What if "Arya" was Jaqen testing the waif? Like where would she have gotten all that money? Also somewhat against type to openly flaunt herself after disobeying the world's leading assassins. Plus we last saw her hiding in a darkened room? Or is that a little overthinking :pac:

I thought that too but logically they can wear other people's faces but they can't change their height. Jaquen is way taller than Arya so would be very hard to disguise himself as her. In saying that knowing this show they will just paper over that bit of logic if it suits them.

ItsChecoTime

Ian McShane would have made a great Euron, a pity we didn't get to see more of him.

ArmaniJeanss

awec wrote: »

What scene was this supposed "most fun shooting" scene? The episode was really good, though I don't remember any scenes that stood out as particularly noteworthy.

I'd guess the Sandor/Ray scenes, could see how this would be a directors dream. Lots of male bonding dialogue (and doubtless even more was shot than actually made it to the final cut), filmed on a nice sunny week and probably a lot of good yarntelling between takes.
I'd expect it'd be more 'fun' than a complicated fight scene, or a triple hanging or performing in front of a green screen pretending theres a dragon there.
But we possibly expected something more noteworthy because of his comment.

Savage Tyrant

ItsChecoTime wrote: »

Ian McShane would have made a great Euron, a pity we didn't get to see more of him.

Agree. He would have been perfect for Euron.

Mr Freeze

I think the show writers having gone off book now, are just going to online forums and picking the most popular fan theories and making them come true.

intheclouds

awec wrote: »

What scene was this supposed "most fun shooting" scene? The episode was really good, though I don't remember any scenes that stood out as particularly noteworthy.

Yeah they confirmed it was the return of the hound. It was a 5 day shoot in Belfast with Ian McShane and Rory McCann plus extras.

Daith

Was quite happy that the North weren't that gung ho about joining the Starks.

I liked that if you didn't know what really happened you could interpret Sansa's story as just marrying people to stay safe. Imagine Lyanna pointing out that Sansa betrayed her father. That could have been amazing.

Have no idea about Arya and the Waif. Still think Arya will die and the Waif will be Arya or something like that.

Anyone else hoping we will get some mention of a wolf pack at the Riverlands?

GerB40

Mr Freeze wrote: »

I think the show writers having gone off book now, are just going to online forums and picking the most popular fan theories and making them come true.

I've said it already but the show is becoming a fan service. Which, as a book reader doesn't bother me too much because GRRM and D+D have said that they're not going to spoil too much from the books (in season 6 anyway) so I can still enjoy a good quality programme and still look forward to TWOW. @AngryGoTFan is a lad on twitter that has been calling the show 'fanfic' for a while and In some instances it's hard to disagree with him. He's worth a follow because he's a book purist that seems to parody the more hardcore purists by pointing out every bad decision the show runners make.

razorblunt

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

Plot twist: What if "Arya" was Jaqen testing the waif? Like where would she have gotten all that money? Also somewhat against type to openly flaunt herself after disobeying the world's leading assassins. Plus we last saw her hiding in a darkened room? Or is that a little overthinking :pac:

I came to this conclusion last night too. I didn't see Needle but what jumped out most was the way Arya walked to the bridge with her hands behind her back, very unlike her but very similar to Jaqen's walk.

Perhaps I'm overthinking it!

GerB40

Daith wrote: »

Was quite happy that the North weren't that gung ho about joining the Starks.

I liked that if you didn't know what really happened you could interpret Sansa's story as just marrying people to stay safe. Imagine Lyanna pointing out that Sansa betrayed her father. That could have been amazing.

Have no idea about Arya and the Waif. Still think Arya will die and the Waif will be Arya or something like that.

Anyone else hoping we will get some mention of a wolf pack at the Riverlands?

As an audience, we have followed the Starks from day one and because of that we have developed a love for them and a wish that everything will work out for them. But for the Houses of the North, many of whom lost a lot of people fighting for the Starks, there's no such sentimentality. The truth is that a lot of Northern Lords were loyal to Robb Stark and Robb broke a vow he made which resulted in the massacre at the red wedding. From a Northerners point of view I can understand why they'd put practicality before loyalty, the burnt hand teaches best.

And yeah, few things would excite me more about Game of Thrones than a mention of a wolf pack terrorising the Riverlands. I wonder how Nymeria would feel about Arya becoming no one...

Mickeroo

I always pictured Mance as Ian McShane.

I don't think having Benjen or the Hound come back is fan service, just that the fans were right more than anything. There's been fan theories debunked in the show too over the years.

Mr Freeze

Mickeroo wrote: »

I always pictured Mance as Ian McShane.

Ian McShane would have made a great Euron. The current Euron is crap.

I dunno who I pictured Mance as, but it wasn't as Ciaran Hinds anyways.

baza Rakus

Terrible episode, such an anti-climax. It had better get interesting again soon ...

intheclouds

GerB40 wrote: »

I've said it already but the show is becoming a fan service. Which, as a book reader doesn't bother me too much because GRRM and D+D have said that they're not going to spoil too much from the books (in season 6 anyway) so I can still enjoy a good quality programme and still look forward to TWOW. @AngryGoTFan is a lad on twitter that has been calling the show 'fanfic' for a while and In some instances it's hard to disagree with him. He's worth a follow because he's a book purist that seems to parody the more hardcore purists by pointing out every bad decision the show runners make.

Is it not just that certain theories are coming to fruition now? I mean, they have also killed off certain theories too. Even the most recent example with the Hound, clearly he isnt going to be called on by the High Sparrow to fight the Mountain - it seems like he is going to go off on a revenge trip. If Syrio Forel shows up after removing Jaqen Hagars face then I might start thinking its fanfic, but at the moment Im not seeing that at all.

I would never follow someone like the twitter person you mention - who needs that kind of negativity!! He is just hate watching the show. Its a tv show, its not going to match the books detail by detail - its hard to believe someone would waste their time doing that.

Sleepy

A thought: could Sansa have learned something from Littlefinger?

Rather than sending a raven to him looking for help, could she be tricking Ramsey into believing that she's with Baelish? Taunting him into sallying forth to attack a large army while the Stark forces re-capture an under-manned Winterfell? Or even just taking the Boltons from the rear while driving them onto the lances of the Knights of the Vale?

It'd be a nice bit of misdirection and making use of someone who's loyalties you're unsure of...

Bandana boy

Mr Freeze wrote: »

Ian McShane would have made a great Euron. The current Euron is crap.

I dunno who I pictured Mance as, but it wasn't as Ciaran Hinds anyways.

I thought ooh missed Euron opportunity as soon as I saw him ,

Bandana boy

intheclouds wrote: »

I would never follow someone like the twitter person you mention - who needs that kind of negativity!! He is just hate watching the show.

Quite a few on here who post 20 times after every episode about how much they dislike it , boggles my mind , I really dislike Outlander , i just stopped watching it , simples

wp_rathead

The lad confirmed on twitter he was Lem from BWB, the yellow cloak is a give away

Really enjoyed this episode, little Lyanna Mormont stole the show- she is the complete opposite of timid Tommen

Hon the Hound!

Also liked how Blackfish referenced the vow Jaime Lannister gave to Caitlyn to release him, which in a way acted as a catalyst for Robb to go against his mother and marry Tailisa- which Lord Glover referenced as reason not to join the Starks as this resulted in the Red Wedding where his best soldiers were killed...

And ya, Ian McShane would been a good Greyjoy but Pilou is a brilliant actor and he will do Euron justice (if writers let him)

CMOTDibbler

intheclouds wrote: »

Is it not just that certain theories are coming to fruition now? I mean, they have also killed off certain theories too. Even the most recent example with the Hound, clearly he isnt going to be called on by the High Sparrow to fight the Mountain - it seems like he is going to go off on a revenge trip. If Syrio Forel shows up after removing Jaqen Hagars face then I might start thinking its fanfic, but at the moment Im not seeing that at all.

I would never follow someone like the twitter person you mention - who needs that kind of negativity!! He is just hate watching the show. Its a tv show, its not going to match the books detail by detail - its hard to believe someone would waste their time doing that.

I agree. There are so many crackpot fan theories out there at this stage that no matter what the show (or the books) do, it'll have been according to some fan theory or other. Also as we get closer to the end, the possible permutations narrow down to the point where there will be very little that can't be guessed or predicted.

The show haters are funny really. They continually lambast a show that they continue to watch. It's almost animal farm like; "books good, show bad".

Bandana boy

Delighted to see the Hound back but gutted that my plan to set of an air horn when he first appeared on screen did not come to fruition because I was not organised enough

intheclouds

Mr Freeze wrote: »

Ian McShane would have made a great Euron. The current Euron is crap.

I quite like how the current Euron looks so much like Theon. Great familial resemblance.

How can you say the current Euron is crap at this stage, he has only been onscreen for about 2 minutes!

GerB40

Sleepy wrote: »

A thought: could Sansa have learned something from Littlefinger?

Rather than sending a raven to him looking for help, could she be tricking Ramsey into believing that she's with Baelish? Taunting him into sallying forth to attack a large army while the Stark forces re-capture an under-manned Winterfell? Or even just taking the Boltons from the rear while driving them onto the lances of the Knights of the Vale?

It'd be a nice bit of misdirection and making use of someone who's loyalties you're unsure of...

I like the sound of that. It would really tie in with Sophie Turners assertion that Sansa finally takes control of her own destiny. It could also be a nice little 'counter pink letter'.

"Dear beloved husband, as you may have noticed I've left Winterfell. But don't worry, I shall return, and I'll be bringing some of my friends along. Friends that, unlike the swine that infest my home at the moment, remember where their allegiances lie. The north remembers bastard, a fact which you seem to have overlooked. It is said that my home can hold a siege with 500 men against 10,000. I do hope you have 500 men bastard, we may find the truth behind that statement".

Yours, Lady Sansa Stark of Winterfell.

Michael D Not Higgins

Sleepy wrote: »

A thought: could Sansa have learned something from Littlefinger?

Rather than sending a raven to him looking for help, could she be tricking Ramsey into believing that she's with Baelish? Taunting him into sallying forth to attack a large army while the Stark forces re-capture an under-manned Winterfell? Or even just taking the Boltons from the rear while driving them onto the lances of the Knights of the Vale?

It'd be a nice bit of misdirection and making use of someone who's loyalties you're unsure of...

There's been stills of the letter and it's addressed to Littlefinger. So unless she's hoping it gets intercepted... but then why wouldn't the Boltons go meet the wildling/North army since they're more poorly equipped.

I think there was foreshadowing in Davos' speech about how Stannis chose the same camp location with its rear fortification of the mountain. I expect the Boltons to meet them out in the battlefield.

Mr Freeze

Overall, I thought it was a good episode.

I really liked the Riverrun scenes, hopefully the show doesn't mess it up, I was fully expecting the Blackfish to be killed during the parley in a dirty move from a Frey or Bronn in an attempt to wrap up the Riverlands story.

The Hound stuff was great, could watch him all day, the more hound, the better.

No Dany is a good bonus too.

wp_rathead

Also I can't be the only person hoping LSH doesn't appear
It makes sense in the books but with The Hound, Jon Snow and Benjen (and Blackfish and Edmure to a lesser degree) all making "comebacks" it would be a little ridiculous this season imo
They could just have it that the BWB have lost their way or something

GerB40

wp_rathead wrote: »

Also I can't be the only person hoping LSH doesn't appear
It makes sense in the books but with The Hound, Jon Snow and Benjen (and Blackfish and Edmure to a lesser degree) all making "comebacks" it would be a little ridiculous this season imo
They could just have it that the BWB have lost their way or something

Yeah the whole ambiguity over whether somebody is still in the story or not is a bit frustrating. Actually everything since 'hold the door' has seemed too far fetched, by GoT standards of course. I'd say in a few years time, discussion about season 6 will include the term 'jumped the shark'. Season 5 will obviously be 'fùckin Dorne'...

Mr Freeze

wp_rathead wrote: »

Also I can't be the only person hoping LSH doesn't appear
It makes sense in the books but with The Hound, Jon Snow and Benjen (and Blackfish and Edmure to a lesser degree) all making "comebacks" it would be a little ridiculous this season imo
They could just have it that the BWB have lost their way or something

Sure some people are expecting Stannis back, even though they have mentioned that he is dead in nearly every episode this season.

intheclouds

Mr Freeze wrote: »

Sure some people are expecting Stannis back, even though they have mentioned that he is dead in nearly every episode this season.

Have they? Once I recall a definite confirmation - when Brienne stated it at Castle Black. Ramsay/Roose discussing it wasnt a confirmation. Dont remember any other references?

People are still expecting him because

there is an image in one of the trailers that looks just like him fighting behind Tormund at Winterfell. Its a very very brief image but someone has stilled it and it really does look remarkably like him.

Plus theres the fact that they did a weird cut away and didnt show the death. And the odd statement he made to Brienne about "Do your duty". Theres quite a bit of smoking gun on it - more than with the Hound and he's back!

EagererBeaver

GerB40 wrote: »

"...It is said that my home can hold a siege with 500 men against 10,000. I do hope you have 500 men bastard, we may find the truth behind that statement".

Yours, Lady Sansa Stark of Winterfell.

500?! Ramsay could hold it with 20 good ones.

rawn

EagererBeaver wrote:

500?! Ramsay could hold it with 20 good ones.

The key is to go shirtless, to dazzle the enemies.

intheclouds

EagererBeaver wrote: »

500?! Ramsay could hold it with 20 good ones.

#twentygoodmen

Sleepy

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

There's been stills of the letter and it's addressed to Littlefinger. So unless she's hoping it gets intercepted... but then why wouldn't the Boltons go meet the wildling/North army since they're more poorly equipped.

I think there was foreshadowing in Davos' speech about how Stannis chose the same camp location with its rear fortification of the mountain. I expect the Boltons to meet them out in the battlefield.

For anyone else interested in the still of the letter:

http://i.imgur.com/PgqohMA.jpg

I'm disappointed tbh, would have loved to see her play Littlefinger...

Mr Freeze

rawn wrote: »

The key is to go shirtless, to dazzle the enemies.

And dual wield.

rawn

Sleepy wrote:

For anyone else interested in the still of the letter:

Sleepy wrote:

For anyone else interested in the still of the letter:

Could she have written to Sweetrobin rather than LF? Either way I'm disappointed too, was really hoping she was learning to play the game. She should know by now that LF can never be trusted. Sansa fast became my favorite character in the books because of her steady character progression, the show keeps flip-flopping her imo.

DeadHand

intheclouds wrote: »

How can you say the current Euron is crap at this stage, he has only been onscreen for about 2 minutes!

I wouldn't say crap but I think the casting has been a bit off in this case. He's not believable as Balon's brother- Balon was an elderly man, this dude looks barely out of his 30s.

I think he'll work out and he looks a good actor but McShane, as imo one of the finest TV actors ever, would have been a better fit. I can picture him ranting and raving as a sort of unhinged Al Sweeengen of the seas.

DeadHand

rawn wrote: »

Could she have written to Sweetrobin rather than LF? Either way I'm disappointed too, was really hoping she was learning to play the game. She should know by now that LF can never be trusted. Sansa fast became my favorite character in the books because of her steady character progression, the show keeps flip-flopping her imo.

She is playing the game!

She knows she needs more men and that LF is hopelessly in love with her and eager to make amends. He also happens to be at the head of one of the largest armies in Westeros- one that is still entirely fresh.

She wouldn't be playing the game if she didn't attempt to harness him.