"No blacks allowed"

Esel

Cathy.C wrote: »

What about women's lib?

I would definitely make a complaint there. That's bloody ridiculous refusing entry to a woman just because she's pregnant.

You asked the husband if he complained.

Cathy.C

Esel wrote: »

You asked the husband if he complained.

Have you never been with another person and addressed as 'you'?

Waiting in a restaurant maybe and a waiter came along and said: "Have you ordered yet?" Well that's what I was doing.

I was asking the guy if either of them had complained.

Only on Boards would someone bother their hole to make such a nonsense point.

Esel

Cathy.C wrote: »

Have you never been with another person and addressed as 'you'?

Waiting in a restaurant perhaps and a waiter came along and said: "Hi, have you ordered yet?" Well that's what I was doing. I was asking the guy if they had complained.

Only on Boards would someone bother their hole to make sure a nonsense point.

Whatever.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

However my wife recently went into a bar in the city centre to meet her friend for a coke on a monday at 6pm, she was turned away because she was pregnant. When she challenged the bouncer on it, he told her that drinking was bad for her baby and she should be at home.

I find it very hard to believe that your wife found a pub with doorstaff working at six o'clock on a Monday.

Security are a significant cost to a bar and their hours (security) are usually cut to the bone.

But she's YOUR wife and its not for me to say she (or you) aren't telling the truth, but I find it hard to believe this incident happened.

riffmongous

Cade Skinny Ginkgo wrote: »

I find it very hard to believe that your wife found a pub with doorstaff working at six o'clock on a Monday.

Security are a significant cost to a bar and their hours (security) are usually cut to the bone.

But she's YOUR wife and its not for me to say she (or you) aren't telling the truth, but I find it hard to believe this incident happened.

I'm not sure I'd want to go into any place that felt it needed security at 6pm on a Monday evening :pac:

arybvtcw0eolkf

riffmongous wrote: »

I'm not sure I'd want to go into any place that felt it needed security at 6pm on a Monday evening :pac:

Well I see a lot of people saying similar here, but it makes no sense (that people won't use a bar with security) but they'll use grocery stores, banks, Tescos/Pennys/Dunnes/Adli, pharmacies, fast food take aways etc etc.

Door staff keep the scum out, not keep them in (the bar).

The sh*t you take on the door is unreal (posters here slagging off door staff just sound like idiots, to the people working the doors).

Just in the last year where I work I've had addicts pull syringes at me, knives, bottles, one guy attacked me with a sewer rod and a girl attacked me with a can which she had torn in half ffs.

I've been punched, bitten twice, kicked a few times and hit with a chair which was outside.

And these were people I was keeping out of the place!.

I've also had the race card used on me, but I'm very careful around minorities and will only refuse admission on very solid grounds and in front of a witness. I could go, but most wouldn't believe me ~ however a few people here, including an AH moderator drink in the place and know my form.

Are there bad door staff on power trips?.. Of course there are, there are good and bad in every bunch.. Is the PSA (Private Security Authority) doing anything to keep them out of the business? ~ NO, the PSA is another useless qwango. They're a revenue generator, they do feck ~ absolutely useless..

A good bar will have only good door staff, and the bar mentioned by some media outlets in this story have some very professional door staff and without doubt the most experienced and level headed head doorman in the city (probably the country), and no I don't work with or for them.

Why have I worked the doors (I think I started in 1992), well its helped a lot when wages in this country were very poor, and in recent times the extra wage helped put my two children through college and into successful careers.

I'm 50 now, and tbh I never thought I'd be working a door when I was 40 let alone 50.. But its a great job, 99% of people are great craic and appreciate the job I do ~ the other 1% can suck the sweat off the butt end of my ball sack, I simply don't care about them & their sh*t lives and attitudes.

I'll do it all again this weekend, hopefully this is my last year on the doors.. The winters are getting harder, threats to shoot me are getting frightening (I used not to let them bother me but they're not a threat I ignore these days), and my old bones are getting weary

I'm tired.

Strumms

Cade Skinny Ginkgo wrote: »

Door staff keep the scum out, not keep them in (the bar).

I know plenty of bars that have doormen and have plenty of scummers as clientele.... ridiculous statement FFS :rolleyes:

Esel

Cade Skinny Ginkgo wrote:

Door staff keep the scum out, not keep them in (the bar).

A person refused entry to a pub is not necessarily scum...

Apart from that, good post.

Simon2015

Statement from the bar.

http://www.buskersbar.com/news.html

Busker’s Bar (Temple Bar, Dublin) confirms that an investigation is underway into alleged discrimination in respect of three students who were declined admission on Sunday, 5th June last.
Busker’s Bar abhors unlawful discrimination of any sort and welcomes an international and multicultural clientele of every gender, race, colour and creed. It is this diversity that contributes to the success and appeal of Busker’s Bar and whereas management reserves the right to decline admission that flexibility can never extend to unlawful discrimination of any sort.
Buskers Bar is treating this allegation of unlawful discrimination very seriously and an investigation is currently underway. Management has also established contact with the students who were declined admission and has invited the students to share their first-hand accounts of their experience.
With respect to the rights of all parties involved, Busker’s Bar cannot comment further whilst the investigation is ongoing.

thesandeman

Simon2015 wrote: »

Statement from the bar.

http://www.buskersbar.com/news.html

That's Liveline sorted for tomorrow again so.

Esel

^ PR for ******'* Bar = €€€

Bongalongherb

The ultimate PLUG.

As was already said numerous times... no witnesses = hearsay of which could have damaged this premises, but the plug is out there anyway now for more custom.

Retrovertigo

Haven't checked boards in ages. Nice to see Makikomi is back from retirement to act like the hero we all deserve.

Same old, same old.

Sebastian Dangerfield

rubadub wrote: »

hmmm, so she challenged a bouncer who seemingly said something like "you can not come in because you are pregnant", so she is apparently no shy shrinking violet, and when he explained he thought she was going to be drinking alcohol she did not challenge him any more or inform him she was going to have a coke? -even if walking away on principle I would expect something to have been said to him, the most obvious being "I am not pregnant"

smells more fishy than an auld ones stall on moore street.

Completely true. I emailed a complaint that night and to be fair to them, the manager apologised unreservedly pretty much straight away - he already knew about it as the staff had told him when he returned from his break. Happy to name the bar too if mods allow it.

Ben Gadot

I'd well believe the story. My brother's African girlfriend has been attacked and beaten twice in the last year in Dublin City Centre.

There's still plenty of racist scum in this country.

Sebastian Dangerfield

prinzeugen wrote: »

I do not believe that. Establishments have a duty of care to ALL patrons. If she was turned away it was because there may have been a group of patrons that could have caused unintended harm.

He turned her away, telling her "drinking is bad for your baby". She got upset and he relented a little, saying hed let her in if she promised not to drink alcohol. Believe it or not its what happened

Red Kev

Esel wrote: »

^ PR for ******'* Bar = €€€

I've no idea how a story like that can help a business short medium or long term. Could shut it down long term.

Howard the Duck

Ben Gadot wrote: »

I'd well believe the story. My brother's African girlfriend has been attacked and beaten twice in the last year in Dublin City Centre.

There's still plenty of racist scum in this country.

While that is terrible and should never happen, was she attacked by bouncers outside a bar in templebar?

I've been to this bar many many times and any of bouncers i've talked to here always seemed like good guys, also there is a massive mix of people in this bar, It's mostly tourists that go here, so i'm inclined to think it's either all made up or a misunderstanding.

Chijj

It's the last time I'll use the phrase "it's black in there, you can't come in".

conorhal

Ben Gadot wrote: »

I'd well believe the story. My brother's African girlfriend has been attacked and beaten twice in the last year in Dublin City Centre.

There's still plenty of racist scum in this country.

Because there's just no proof quite like the whataboutery of a completely unrelated incident. :rolleyes:

nacho libre

I doubt very much a Bouncer, no matter the perception of people who do it, would be stupid enough to say that, while there is a policy in some venues to not allow certain races./nationalities into pubs, it would never be explicitly stated as such. In Asian clubs and pubs they won't allow white east europeans in. In African clubs they tend not to accept east europeans either. I think in this case the person was refused entry for being a brat, then tries to use the race card. I've had it used against me from people who were causing trouble and annoying others.

edbrez

Del2005 wrote: »

So it's OK to be violent but not OK to be racist, I don't see much difference.

If he meant to be racist he would have said "no **** allowed".

WarZ

Maybe its a coincidence but literally every single time I have ever seen a black person try to gain entry to bars and clubs in temple bar they have been turned away. And it's not like they were pissed or anything, certainly nowhere close to the British stags falling around inside.

rubadub

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

. She got upset and he relented a little, saying hed let her in if she promised not to drink alcohol. Believe it or not its what happened

aha, so now we are getting more of the alleged story, I wonder what other extremely relevant bits were left out to make it sound like a better tale.

WarZ wrote: »

Maybe its a coincidence but literally every single time I have ever seen a black person try to gain entry to bars and clubs in temple bar they have been turned away.

how many has this been, as this could literally be none, or one. Were there black people in the pubs once you got in? I would think it more likely they would get in for fear of them playing the race card.

q2ice

Hard to believe this story. I have read through the full thread and was hoping for some resolution. Sadly no.

livedadream wrote: »

at 7pm?

how drunk could they have been.

im the same just doesn't add up.

Very easily. They could have started drinking at midday. That would be a full seven hours of drinking. :o

darkpagandeath

q2ice wrote: »

Hard to believe this story. I have read through the full thread and was hoping for some resolution. Sadly no.



Very easily. They could have started drinking at midday. That would be a full seven hours of drinking. :o

And this is Ireland you know we are all drunk all the time if you believe the hype.

davidk1394

There's a thin line between having the craic and racism.. usually you don't know that line till you crossed it !

livedadream

q2ice wrote: »

Hard to believe this story. I have read through the full thread and was hoping for some resolution. Sadly no.



Very easily. They could have started drinking at midday. That would be a full seven hours of drinking. :o

nice stereotype of the irish

but if you read it, their not irish... most tourists/non irish students etc dont start drinking at noon and get ****faced...

Herb Powell

ITT : White people living in a predominantly white country refusing to believe racism exists, "it must have been the blacks' fault"

You could not make this **** up.

Collie D

livedadream wrote: »

nice stereotype of the irish

but if you read it, their not irish... most tourists/non irish students etc dont start drinking at noon and get ****faced...

Think it's you who's stereotyping there

suicide_circus

Herb Powell wrote: »

ITT : White people living in a predominantly white country refusing to believe racism exists, "it must have been the blacks' fault"

You could not make this **** up.

#whiteshame

WarZ

Collie D wrote: »

Think it's you who's stereotyping there

Ah there's a bit of truth in that. Because we are not the victims of racism ourselves or because our country has only small minorities we are not as exposed to racist incidents and fall into the trap of believing that they simply do not happen because we don't see them.

In reality they could very well happen regularly but the chances of an average person actually witnessing them are low.

Outlaw Pete

This is total nonsense. Black people are in Buskers all the time. In fact, their night club (used t be Boomerang, not sure what it's called now) was/is pretty much known for being a club that a lot of black people go to. There are other clubs on the same street which I would believe this kind of thing about for sure, but not this one. I'd say they were refused for other reasons and felt it was race based and so made up that the bouncer said what they claimed he had said just to give their accusations credence.. but I highly doubt it has any.

andekwarhola

Herb Powell wrote: »

ITT : White people living in a predominantly white country refusing to believe racism exists, "it must have been the blacks' fault"

You could not make this **** up.

To be fair, you're just as bad if you blindly identify with the 'victims' - without knowing the facts - because it dovetails with a particular political narrative.

JinkyJackson

Everyone here calling them "black people". How racist like.

rubadub

livedadream wrote: »

nice stereotype of the irish

but if you read it, their not irish... most tourists/non irish students etc dont start drinking at noon and get ****faced...

I think you need to read the post you quoted again. The irony of your post is hilarious.

Herb Powell

suicide_circus wrote: »

#whiteshame

Not even, I just mean the vast majority of us won't have the same perspective as victims of racism. We won't really encounter it in our own country.

andekwarhola wrote: »

To be fair, you're just as bad if you blindly identify with the 'victims' - without knowing the facts - because it dovetails with a particular political narrative.

But sure isn't that what the people denying that such a thing could even happen are doing? They don't want to be seen as being "too PC", or whatever.

Of course there's people using their race as an excuse to be heard, same as there are a number of women who make false rape claims when it suits them. Those numbers, however, are tiny, yet people like to take that and claim it as the norm.

We don't have the full story, but the people outright refusing to believe that such a thing would ever happen in our great little country are really displaying a lack of awareness imo. That's not a crime or anything, but I think we should strive to be a bit better than that. I think that's fair enough.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

To be fair I think what most people are having difficulty with is a bouncer, in the city centre, with loads of people around, in a bar with a huge tourist clientele saying this, not with the notion of it happening at all or happening in Ireland. I can well believe someone being that racist, it's somebody being that stupid I can't get my head around.

rubadub

Herb Powell wrote: »

ITT : White people living in a predominantly white country refusing to believe racism exists, "it must have been the blacks' fault"

You could not make this **** up.

Were posters really saying racism does not exist in this country? must have missed those fcuking morons. I hear racist comments all the time, I have only heard openly racist comments directed face to face 3 or 4 times by drunken scumbags -this makes sense to me.

Herb Powell wrote: »

We don't have the full story, but the people outright refusing to believe that such a thing would ever happen in our great little country are really displaying a lack of awareness imo. That's not a crime or anything, but I think we should strive to be a bit better than that. I think that's fair enough.

I don't think it's anything particular to Ireland. It is also not particular to racism, if the story was a doorman saying "no gay people allowed". I cannot think of a single country where I wouldn't question a story where a doorman said "no black people allowed".

It's not a crime to be skeptical of stories like this. I am sure there are many racist doormen & bank tellers etc, I just find it very unlikely that they would say something like this and risk their job. Unless they set out to lose their job on purpose.

Moo Moo Land

rubadub wrote: »

I think you need to read the post you quoted again. The irony of your post is hilarious.

It was a full Ironman. That's a massive route and undertaking. I guess it's not cost effective to "hire" marshals at an attractive rate (volunteer rate is poor in relative terms). The Gardai were on overtime too

Herb Powell

Giuliana Magnificent Saddle wrote: »

To be fair I think what most people are having difficulty with is a bouncer, in the city centre, with loads of people around, in a bar with a huge tourist clientele saying this, not with the notion of it happening at all or happening in Ireland. I can well believe someone being that racist, it's somebody being that stupid I can't get my head around.

It's astoundingly stupid, I just have little trouble believing in such stupidity, unfortunately.

rubadub wrote: »

Were posters really saying racism does not exist in this country? must have missed those fcuking morons. I hear racist comments all the time, I have only heard openly racist comments directed face to face 3 or 4 times by drunken scumbags -this makes sense to me.


I don't think it's anything particular to Ireland. It is also not particular to racism, if the story was a doorman saying "no gay people allowed". I cannot think of a single country where I wouldn't question a story where a doorman said "no black people allowed".

It's not a crime to be skeptical of stories like this. I am sure there are many racist doormen & bank tellers etc, I just find it very unlikely that they would say something like this and risk their job. Unless they set out to lose their job on purpose.

Yeah, you're right. My own take is that I have no doubt there are people that clueless going about their lives.

Simon2015

Giuliana Magnificent Saddle wrote: »

To be fair I think what most people are having difficulty with is a bouncer, in the city centre, with loads of people around, in a bar with a huge tourist clientele saying this, not with the notion of it happening at all or happening in Ireland. I can well believe someone being that racist, it's somebody being that stupid I can't get my head around.

Exactly if a Bouncer was racist its much more likely they would refuse ethnic minorities without giving any reason.

This whole "story" sounds like a bit of a joke.

Two Tone

JinkyJackson wrote: »

Everyone here calling them "black people". How racist like.

No different to calling white people white people.

zSparc

‘I was told no black people allowed’ - which part of the statement did he not get?

Simon2015

The "investigation" into this alleged incident seems to be taking forever.

You think they would have it sorted out by now one way or another.

Simon2015

Still no update into this "investigation" ?

Hande hoche!

Probably never happened.