Rock n' Roll Half Marathon - Dublin - August 7th, 2016

Shlippery

Michelin wrote: »

Hi I bought the groupon voucher for the 10k couple of weeks ago. There was a link in voucher to registration however link only said next registrations after 31st. I clicked back in yesterday but still didn't let me do the registration part. Tried contacting both organisers and groupon but no reply to emails or phone calls. Any suggestions? I'm afraid if I go to registration I'll be told I didn't register. I see now 10k full.

I saw someone there today with a groupon voucher going to pickup her stuff and the guy said "oh you aren't actually registered, that's just a voucher, here come over and we'll sort you out"


So, just go down tomorrow and I feel they'll be able to sort it out for ya.

Michelin

Shlippery wrote: »

I saw someone there today with a groupon voucher going to pickup her stuff and the guy said "oh you aren't actually registered, that's just a voucher, here come over and we'll sort you out"


So, just go down tomorrow and I feel they'll be able to sort it out for ya.

Thanks for telling me that. I'll still go in so.

Cheers

I only signed up to this to encourage a relative to do their first half with me.

How many stupid crappy emails did these fools need to send? So many that I just had to unsubscribe. Complete and utter sh*te.

What's with the erratic criteria of ID for people collecting? Never mind the fact I'm attending a wedding today. A real breeze driving into town, parking and then facing that farce. Do they not realise Trinity is a big place? I was only hoping my guess of it being down near Westland row was correct. It wasn't. Nassau St entrance for anyone looking. Arts.

Also in the end I showed no ID whatsoever. Wasn't asked.

On the plus though tshirt size is accurate which has definitely not been the case for the Dublin half last Sep and the Cork Marathon in June.

SnailsPace

Gutted, woke up with full blown flu, not the male type. Such a waste

Shlippery

Seriously hot morning, good laugh though. Crazy amount of people travelled from all over world for it.

Free pint of Alcohol free beer..such disappointment!

Hopefully tomoro will be even better!

MonkstownHoop

Shlippery wrote: »

Seriously hot morning, good laugh though. Crazy amount of people travelled from all over world for it.

Free pint of Alcohol free beer..such disappointment!

Hopefully tomoro will be even better!

It'll still be alcohol free ;-)

Payton

Shlippery wrote: »

Seriously hot morning, good laugh though. Crazy amount of people travelled from all over world for it.

Free pint of Alcohol free beer..such disappointment!

Hopefully tomoro will be even better!

If you have someone going with you as a spectator ask them to bring a few wets for you in a cool bag.

rovers_runner

Just seen the results from the 5k.

Was this a fun run? The standard in the results indicates the vast majority who enter these corporate rnr races are bucket listers or tourists who were on the beer for the week.

Median times north of 30 mins.
Less than a quarter under 25 mins.

Organizers onto a good thing if this many people are still lapping this rip off pricing up.

Between this the GIR and the half iron man next week the yanks and Brits have us well sussed.

The Davestator

rovers_runner wrote: »

Just seen the results from the 5k.

Was this a fun run? The standard in the results indicates the vast majority who enter these corporate rnr races are bucket listers or tourists who were on the beer for the week.

Median times north of 30 mins.
Less than a quarter under 25 mins.

Organizers onto a good thing if this many people are still lapping this rip off pricing up.

Between this the GIR and the half iron man next week the yanks and Brits have us well sussed.

I did it yesterday (was supposed to do the half but long story) The VAST majority of people running yesterday were doing the half today and a good few doing the 10k so I'd imagine most were just jogging around.

Also, if you ran yesterday and today, you got an extra medal! 3 medals for 2 races!

mel.b

If the wind in Dublin is anything like it is here in the West today it's going to be tough day for everyone running.

Krusty_Clown

mel.b wrote: »

If the wind in Dublin is anything like it is here in the West today it's going to be tough day for everyone running.

The race is well over. and yep, the wind was tough!

MoeJay

Number pickup: on Saturday was ok, except someone else had obviously been given my number (based on the fact it was tracked on the course today) but got a new one with no hassle. It was advertised that there wasn't going to be an expo this year...didn't miss it.

Race today: started a wee bit late, corrals were started pretty well I thought. Wind wasn't too bad until into the park. From what I could see, well marshaled, didn't see too much hassle at any water stations - but the Powerade bottles in the middle of the road, who drops them there...! Anyhow it was a PB for me so I'm happy!

Yeah there was a lot of stuff in the middle of the road throughout. How hard is it to take care to put it to side of road? I felt the Powerade bottles at Ballyfermot were a serious waste of nothing else!! Definitely should have saved a lot and put the drink in cups.

The wind got very strong just turning left at Amerian Ambassadors house in the park but it was fine I thought. Really loved the finish. I'm used to the runs ending before the main Chesterfield Ave but kept my final sprint going and sailed along to great cheering.

KJ

Windy and sunny today, a terrible mix, race was really good today. I was in corral 3 and there was some confusion as there was supposed to be a gap between wave 2 and 3 but people just ran through so both corrals went at the same time.
Anyway, I enjoyed it more than last year (last year being my first ever half) and got a new PB of 1.46.53

Enjoyed watching The Strypes with some non alcoholic beer and then the cooling down fun run.

vasch_ro

KJ wrote: »

Windy and sunny today, a terrible mix, race was really good today. I was in corral 3 and there was some confusion as there was supposed to be a gap between wave 2 and 3 but people just ran through so both corrals went at the same time.
Anyway, I enjoyed it more than last year (last year being my first ever half) and got a new PB of 1.46.53

Enjoyed watching The Strypes with some non alcoholic beer and then the cooling down fun run.

the same happened with corrals 4 and 5, I was in 5 and when 4 ran out so did most of 5 including me at first , then the MC called corral 5 up who were already a good bit down the quays, I came back with a few others, to be told to run on and half the MC slag me off over the PA !
Other than that I really enjoyed the morning and run out felt like a fake only doing the 10k but guess that's for next year

Payton

Well done to everyone who ran yesterday, old and young in all races. A wonderful mix of people. I really enjoyed the run (my 2nd half marathon) we were all a bit late starting but when your dealing with such a big crowd it's only to be expected. A fantastic mix of people from all over the world we talked to before during and after the run. The support from the Marshall's was brilliant so kudos to you guys and girls. The bands were super. I ran with 4 work mates 2 who ran the 10k and us 3 for the half who were first timers and we have already signed up for next year...they couldn't get over how well organized it was. Roll on next year.

Simian!

I overtook the 1:45 pacers at the end and got a finish time of 1:46! I measured the course at 21.3km.

Casey78

I really enjoyed it. Found the course easy enough until we turned back into the park. Found the drag up Chesterfield Avenue tough for some reason and lost a few mins on it. Then the hills at the end were very tough for me but I still enjoyed the whole experience.

Running Fool

A lot of people seemed quite divided on the race. I got a free entry to this so I can't complain too much but some observations…

• While I hated the 8.30am start initially, it is great to have most of the day free afterwards. Could it not be on a Saturday though?
• 2nd half of the course is bad, I lost minutes on Chesterfield Avenue between the incline and wind. Then the hills at military road etc. ugh, killed me. I know they want to end in the park but could they loop up somewhere else to end where the 10k does? Or somehow enter the park at Chapelizod and only have one major hill in the last half?
• Water in cups at first few stations – I couldn’t really get a mouthful, you need to walk to take it. Then the bottles at the last stations were full sized Ballygowan, most people ended up throwing most of it away (same with Powerade) which caused a hazard in the road.
• As with 99% of races, people up front (and I mean nearly at the start line) jogging slowly from the start and nearly tripping people up due to their slower pace or the fact they can hear nothing due to headphones (or both). I’m all for listening to music, but there’s a responsibility to be aware of those around you.

On a more positive note…

• There was a good atmosphere to the race in the build-up and during it.
• At the finish line there really was something to hang around for and soak up the atmosphere. With a lot of the other park races there’s a sense of finish, grab your bag and head home.
• Organisation – everything from the bag drop transfer to the info on the site was clear and worked 100%.

Overall – if they got a flatter course and moved it to a Saturday morning, I’d pay the fee for next year.

diego_b

Simian! wrote: »

I overtook the 1:45 pacers at the end and got a finish time of 1:46! I measured the course at 21.3km.

Had a similar experience with the 1:45 pacers and also chatted to a few runners afterwards who talked the same.
I started in corral 4 just ahead of them and the guy with the flag passed me like a bat out of hell once we got to the top of climb at Christchurch. He looked to way ahead of pace so I let him go and then down on the quays he motored on to easily 40/60 seconds ahead of me by Heuston. I would have expected even pacing despite the nature of the course but I was running my own race, passed him and the female pacer (carrying the flag) in the last few hundred meters. Maybe they dropped back to try gather up more people and had driven on a main group ahead of me but found it odd and glad I wasn't relying on them.

Simian!

Simian! wrote: »

I overtook the 1:45 pacers at the end and got a finish time of 1:46! I measured the course at 21.3km.

Same as. My Nike Plus running app hit 15k at the exact 15k marker on the course but it showed 21.3 when I hit the line. Then again it's the National Championships so can't really cast doubt on the course length from a running app.

Really enjoyed yesterday, it was my first half marathon. I found it a lot tougher than the training I had done, I think the combination of the hills and the wind once we got into the park killed me. I was running empty by the time I hit 18k and struggled badly for the last 3k but thankfully still made my target time.

For those of you that are experienced would this be considered a tough course? Would you consider the Dublin Race Series Half Marathon to be an easier course? Considering signing up and trying to beat yesterday's time!

zedhead

Did this yesterday and I have to say I really loved it. It was my 4th half marathon and despite the struggle with the hills and the wind for the last part I managed to get a PB, over 5 minutes faster than my best half marathon.

I thought that the organisation was great for such a big crowd and despite a slight delay at the start everything ran really smoothly. THere was great support from all the volunteers along the route. The water stations at the end were a bit hazardous with all the discarded bottles and quite wasteful but it was easier to get a decent drink out of the bottles than the cups.

Already thinking about next years and may even head over to Liverpool for that one too.

RayCun

KeepTheFaith wrote: »

For those of you that are experienced would this be considered a tough course? Would you consider the Dublin Race Series Half Marathon to be an easier course? Considering signing up and trying to beat yesterday's time!

It's a reasonably hard course with a fair few hills in the second half, and the wind yesterday would have made it harder.
The race series half is about the same in terms of elevation, but you wouldn't be running into the wind for so long.

Simian!

Thought the race was well-organised in general. The more I think about it the more I have a problem with the vast amount of waste that was left from those water/Powerade bottles. There were HUNDREDS of bottles dumped on the ground with a couple of sips taken from them. I know the majority of us are incredibly wasteful in general but it is shocking to see that amount of unnecessary waste. So I can sleep tonight I'll just assume they were all emptied into a drain and the bottles recycled.

I actually liked the challenge of the hills towards the end of the race - if you're progressing from this distance that sort of training is invaluable.

nhunter100

Simian! wrote:

I overtook the 1:45 pacers at the end and got a finish time of 1:46! I measured the course at 21.3km.

Your finish time of 1.46 was that chip or gun time?

Simian!

It was my chip time. I was using the MapMyRun app to track it - I've found it to be accurate in general and it also seemed calibrated very closely to the km and mile markers throughout the course.

nhunter100

Simian! wrote:

It was my chip time. I was using the MapMyRun app to track it - I've found it to be accurate in general and it also seemed calibrated very closely to the km and mile markers throughout the course.

Thanks for the reply. Found it unusual the pacers were over, but they are human and can have a bad day. You still need to run your own race. Good time btw.

UM1

diego_b wrote: »

Had a similar experience with the 1:45 pacers and also chatted to a few runners afterwards who talked the same.
I started in corral 4 just ahead of them and the guy with the flag passed me like a bat out of hell once we got to the top of climb at Christchurch. He looked to way ahead of pace so I let him go and then down on the quays he motored on to easily 40/60 seconds ahead of me by Heuston. I would have expected even pacing despite the nature of the course but I was running my own race, passed him and the female pacer (carrying the flag) in the last few hundred meters. Maybe they dropped back to try gather up more people and had driven on a main group ahead of me but found it odd and glad I wasn't relying on them.

I got a call from a ungwan givin out to me about them,she was under the impression i knew them... first few miles were ..8:04, 7:42,7:24 7:30 until she copped the didnt know wat dey were doin.........

snailsong

Fwiw the 1:30 pacers were very good. They banked a few seconds per k on the easy sections but told us that's what they were doing. They shouted the splits as we went along. They crossed the line about 10 seconds early, sadly I was no longer with them.

The 8:30 start is inconvenient for anyone outside Dublin. Hotels are expensive and doing it as a day trip means setting off early. I left my in laws in Carlow at 6am, friends left Ballinrobe at 4.

uvox

snailsong wrote: »

The 8:30 start is inconvenient for anyone outside Dublin. ...

Well said. And not just for those outside of Dublin... if you live in Dubln county you are banjaxed too on a Sunday if you don't drive or can arrange a lift... How are you supposed to get to the location on public transport at that hour? Sure, you can run there...

When are organisers of these events going to cop on about public transport in Dublin on a Sunday?

uvox

Patchy course, but well organized. I personally feel it is overmerched to heck with a medal for everyone in the audience for every occasion if you have the readies! Still, they gotta make a buck. Awesome to see so many runners from Liverpool out there...!

BUT, why oh why does the 10k and HM have to end in the god-awful bleakness of the Phoenix Park? The place is of zero interest, miles from anywhere you can do some serious retail therapy or relax with an alcoholic beer... selfies with trees don't cut it.

Race organisers in Dublin - come on, end this nonsense about the Phoenix Park... even the Pope wouldn't go a return gig there and I have yet to see Michael D Higgins jogging out of the Aras every morning... it's the most overrated running spot in Ireland. Past its sell-by date. It's the Angelus of venues.

Start and finish in Grand Canal Dock or the 3 Arena area...

Payton

For some people it's an inconvenience but it's part of the run, everybody is not going to be accommodated with the time and logistics of getting there.
I'd say the 8:30 start is to get as many people through the streets of the city and into the park before 10:30 and they open the main roads to the traffic again, Luas and bus services are restricted whilst the run is on. It takes a lot of planning to put something like this in place and yes some people are not going to be too happy with the start but if I'm doing a half marathon in Belfast or cork at 8:30 I have to travel...is that fair?
Honestly it's for 1 morning a year and it's a fun day let's enjoy it.

overpronator

Its in the park as its cheaper and easier for the organisers than the alternative of closing many city centre roads for longer periods, particularly at the finish area.

rovers_runner

rovers_runner wrote: »

Just seen the results from the 5k.

Was this a fun run? The standard in the results indicates the vast majority who enter these corporate rnr races are bucket listers or tourists who were on the beer for the week.

Median times north of 30 mins.
Less than a quarter under 25 mins.

Organizers onto a good thing if this many people are still lapping this rip off pricing up.

Between this the GIR and the half iron man next week the yanks and Brits have us well sussed.

I do think you have a point, if we compare the results of the R & R 10k to the DLR bay 10k

-39% of the runners in the R & R managed to do it in less than an hour, compared to 74% in the Bay 10k

-the winning time in the R & R of 35.36 would have managed a 13th place in the Bay 10k
( I did both runs, and found the R&R an easier course)

having said that, I enjoyed the run, the early morning start suits me, and i would probably do it again

ultrapercy

Payton wrote: »

For some people it's an inconvenience but it's part of the run, everybody is not going to be accommodated with the time and logistics of getting there.
I'd say the 8:30 start is to get as many people through the streets of the city and into the park before 10:30 and they open the main roads to the traffic again, Luas and bus services are restricted whilst the run is on. It takes a lot of planning to put something like this in place and yes some people are not going to be too happy with the start but if I'm doing a half marathon in Belfast or cork at 8:30 I have to travel...is that fair?
Honestly it's for 1 morning a year and it's a fun day let's enjoy it.

R&R are a commercial event and can hold it at 3am if they like but for this race to incorporate the National Championships is a joke and a disgrace. The AAI could easily find a more suitable race partner with several more appropriate alternatives available. For some reason unrelated to the well being of athletes or athletics they will persist with this pile of ****e.

RayCun

there were ~1000 entered in the championship race, and AAI get a pile of money for the connection.
There are flatter, faster races around, but would they get the numbers, and would they offer the money? (think it was cheaper to enter than Charleville too?)

conavitzky

ultrapercy wrote: »

R&R are a commercial event and can hold it at 3am if they like but for this race to incorporate the National Championships is a joke and a disgrace. The AAI could easily find a more suitable race partner with several more appropriate alternatives available. For some reason unrelated to the well being of athletes or athletics they will persist with this pile of ****e.

Agreed. I had my projected time as 1:21 on my entry and was told I had to go in corral 10 even though all my clubmates with similar times were in corral 1. Was told my chip wouldn't register and I wouldn't get a time. Told them I was willing to take that risk as there was national team medals up for grabs and we missed out on bronze by 30 seconds last year. Why was I put in corral 10 in first place. AAI needs to take ownership of the national half back in my opinion.

ultrapercy

RayCun wrote: »

there were ~1000 entered in the championship race, and AAI get a pile of money for the connection.
There are flatter, faster races around, but would they get the numbers, and would they offer the money? (think it was cheaper to enter than Charleville too?)

No they wouldn't offer the money but would likely offer
1. A proper course, point to point course is ridiculous in a city like Dublin.
2 more accessibility for people needing to travel on the day.
3 cheaper accommodation options for those who choose to travel day before.
4 variety of venue, 3 road champs and road relays now in Dublin. The half and 10k are terrible soulless events, the other 2 are fantastic.
5 deeper fields a lot of club runners seem to have abandoned this race.
6 a more suitable start time, 8.30 is too early for most people.
I know money talks but the AAI main concern should be the welfare of its members. When national half was hosted by clubs(up to 2011) it was a great event.

ultrapercy

conavitzky wrote: »

Agreed. I had my projected time as 1:21 on my entry and was told I had to go in corral 10 even though all my clubmates with similar times were in corral 1. Was told my chip wouldn't register and I wouldn't get a time. Told them I was willing to take that risk as there was national team medals up for grabs and we missed out on bronze by 30 seconds last year. Why was I put in corral 10 in first place. AAI needs to take ownership of the national half back in my opinion.

Yes this was another issue I heard of. My club entered us all and we were spread over a number of corrals despite having times suggesting a top 2%finish by most. I believe Gary Thornton was in coral 10. We didn't realise this untill Saturday and they would not change it. Don't know if it made a difference in the end but it was another unnessary hassle in an event that is nothing but trouble.

RayCun

ultrapercy wrote: »

No they wouldn't offer the money but would likely offer
1. A proper course, point to point course is ridiculous in a city like Dublin.
2 more accessibility for people needing to travel on the day.
3 cheaper accommodation options for those who choose to travel day before.
4 variety of venue, 3 road champs and road relays now in Dublin. The half and 10k are terrible soulless events, the other 2 are fantastic.
5 deeper fields a lot of club runners seem to have abandoned this race.
6 a more suitable start time, 8.30 is too early for most people.
I know money talks but the AAI main concern should be the welfare of its members. When national half was hosted by clubs(up to 2011) it was a great event.

I had a look back at the results, in 2009, 2010, there were under 200 people running the national half. Sunday there was about 1000 in the championship, and 6000 more in the race.

Clearly, a lot of people are happier to travel to Dublin and start at 8.30 than to go to Athenry or Ballybofey.

On the other hand, the standard is lower in this race. Maybe the better runners are avoiding it.

I'm having a hard time understanding "the welfare of its members". It's more popular than previous races, and it is not unsafe. AAI makes money from this that goes back to the development of the sport, when the race used to be a burden on the host club.

You could designate Charleville as the championship race. There would be faster times, I'm sure. And the numbers of club members running would be way down - harder for a lot of people to get to, also an early start, fewer accommodation options, and more expensive to enter - if the race could even hold that many entrants?

RayCun

conavitzky wrote: »

Agreed. I had my projected time as 1:21 on my entry and was told I had to go in corral 10 even though all my clubmates with similar times were in corral 1. Was told my chip wouldn't register and I wouldn't get a time. Told them I was willing to take that risk as there was national team medals up for grabs and we missed out on bronze by 30 seconds last year. Why was I put in corral 10 in first place. AAI needs to take ownership of the national half back in my opinion.

that is crazy, it should be a single start for the championship runners

dublin runner

RayCun wrote:

On the other hand, the standard is lower in this race. Maybe the better runners are avoiding it.

Well that is most certainly the case.

Take me as an example. I am an average club athlete who will not touch this race. I don't know many who did either. I enjoyed the first year (good course/city centre finish) but the new course is appalling. I am travelling to Charleville, which a 500km roundtrip. Why? Better standard and course. It's a real shame the National Half has gone the route it has. I can't see it changing anytime soon either.

Myles Splitz

conavitzky wrote: »

I'm having a hard time understanding "the welfare of its members". It's more popular than previous races, and it is not unsafe. AAI makes money from this that goes back to the development of the sport, when the race used to be a burden on the host club.

I think it is more a comment on the Dublin centric approach to AAI overall and the fatigue of travel needed by people outside of Dublin to support AAI Championship races

Look at Championships held in Dublin

Leinster 10 mile
National Road Relays
Great Ireland Run
National Seniors Track
National Half Marathon Champions
National Marathon Championship
National Interclubs XC

Majority of people doing RnR would have no idea it was a championship race only for the fact they are getting discounted into the race.

Personally I would like to see the addition of a few Road Race Championship distances spread throughout the country and incorporated into well established races

Ballycotton 10 - National 10 mile Championship
Armagh 5k - National 5k Road Championship
Tullamore/Athlone/Charleville - National Half

I would imagine there would be no change in the amount running the RnR but could still encourage a few more from around the country to target some of these races as championship/PB opportunities.

I get Ray's point on the benefits of increasing participation but growth in the sport needs to be looked at more dynamically than simply capitalizing from a monetary sense.

RayCun

dublin runner wrote: »

Take me as an example. I am an average club athlete who will not touch this race. I don't know many who did either. I enjoyed the first year (good course/city centre finish) but the new course is appalling. I am travelling to Charleville, which a 500km roundtrip. Why? Better standard and course.

Better standard because the faster runners are going there, and they are going there... because it is faster. What would Ronnie Delany say?

RayCun

Myles Splitz wrote: »

Ballycotton 10 - National 10 mile Championship
Armagh 5k - National 5k Road Championship

That's a good idea, there are provincial championships at those distances so why not nationals?

Limerick can host the national not-quite-10k championships :pac:

Krusty_Clown

RayCun wrote: »

I had a look back at the results, in 2009, 2010, there were under 200 people running the national half. Sunday there was about 1000 in the championship, and 6000 more in the race.

Clearly, a lot of people are happier to travel to Dublin and start at 8.30 than to go to Athenry or Ballybofey.

Firstly, thanks for the cup of water. Much appreciated!

Secondly, as someone who has traveled to Athenry and Waterford for the national half marathon, competed in most of the half marathon races in this country at some time or other, and now rather reluctantly, the R&R, my own view would be that both of these other races provide something that far greater approximates a championship race experience than the R&R. I should hasten to add that the R&R was perfect for what it was - a mass-participation novelty race, but is less than optimal for a championship club race. If someone was to suggest that the national senior XC final was to be taken over by US corporation that would position bands at various points along the point to point route, that offered little opportunity for club supporters to spectate - which resulted in zero atmosphere, where 80% of the participants are not in the same competition, there would be uproar (though the event shirt and participant bling would likely soften the blow).

Having competed in the event I have to admit, there's nothing wrong with it as a standalone event - but national champs should be different. It should get the blood coursing through the veins. It should be an old-school club versus club, runner versus runner, 'race until you bleed' type of experience, rather than inflatable musical instruments, face makeup and pink tutus. I probably need to repeat - there's nothing wrong with these things and are perfectly acceptable within the guise of the Rock 'n' Roll Half marathon, but they shouldn't be part of a national champs event.

The standards have also greatly dis-improved. In 2012 in Athenry, I didn't manage to break into the top 50. That same finish time from 2012 would have seen me in 28th position on Sunday. In 2011 in Waterford, I didn't finish in the top 100. In 2016? I'd have been in the top 45. If there are any goals for holding these national champs events they should be:
1) Improving standards for the specific distance/event
2) Providing a competitive championship experience
3) And yes, also focused on increasing participation numbers (not just from Dublin participants).

I registered myself through the R&R AAI link and had no problems with corrals.

Myles Splitz

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

Having competed in the event I have to admit, there's nothing wrong with it as a standalone event - but national champs should be different.

Completely Agree with this having been in Athenry myself and done the RnR twice I never had an issue with the organisation for what it was but I could never warrant targetting this as a goal race in it's current guise.

dublin runner

Just wait until they offer the full marathon in the next few years!

This Fat Girl Runs

This discussion comes up every year.

Is there anything anyone can actually do to get it changed?

Firedance

This Fat Girl Runs wrote: »

This discussion comes up every year.

Is there anything anyone can actually do to get it changed?

I may be completely wrong but I'd imagine the issue there is that it would need a club to take over its organization once again and, I'd imagine there's reluctance (with good reason, it's a massive undertaking). So, while club members would prefer the race to be organised by someone else, clubs themselves would struggle to undertake that responsibility. Having run this last year it bears no resemblance to XC champs or any of the Meath Championship races I've taken part in.

+1 to everything Krusty said. I don't have any solution to offer though. I can understand why the AAI piggyback on RNR, it's the easy option for them.