Season 6 Episode 9 "Battle of the Bastards" - Speculation Thread

I'd be throwing a cautious eye towards Littlefinger and his Knights of the Vale. LF did previously state in the show that his intention was to sit on the sidelines and watch the great houses consume each other, then he would walk in and take victory from the broken victors. This episode sets up the perfect chance for that to happen.

J. Marston

rawn wrote: »

I think that's just in the books

Show too, so says Qyburn...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAnkxbOyfm0

duploelabs

nynik wrote: »

Pycel is the grand-maester right? But he clearly can't be running the show from King's Landing, plus... he's a bit of a ditz. Is this elaborated at all in the books so far? Thanks.

leonil7

could be melisandre do some lord of the light fire show and scare the bolton armies the last moment. i mean even if she simply removes that necklace alone, a lot of soldiers will run scared.

EagererBeaver

leonil7 wrote: »

could be melisandre do some lord of the light fire show and scare the bolton armies the last moment. i mean even if she simply removes that necklace alone, a lot of soldiers will run scared.

Shirtless Ramsay would be all over that. Can't have a good battle without raping a few great great great great great grannies.

golfball37

History tends to repeat itself. I reckon Ramsay opens the proverbial gates to his allies the Lannisters just as Aerys did, and gets just as big a shock.

Cantstandsya

nynik wrote: »

Pycel is the grand-maester right? But he clearly can't be running the show from King's Landing, plus... he's a bit of a ditz. Is this elaborated at all in the books so far? Thanks.

Not as big a ditz as he makes out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMXJlUIQP94

ArmaniJeanss

EagererBeaver wrote: »

her children are the one thing Cersei truly cares about. In Season 2, Tyrion told her it was her only redeeming feature.

That, and her cheekbones.

bnt

One website I saw today raised an interesting possibility: now that Riverrun has been taken, Jamie may head back to King's Landing (despite being banished by Tommen), and may get there in time for Cersei's trial. At that point he may learn that she cheated on him with Lancel, leading to a rift between them. I'd go so far as to say that possibility has been foreshadowed by his intense declarations of undying love for her ... setting him up for some serious disappointment.

We haven't seen Margaery for a while, but we know she's something of a "sleeper" agent within the Faith Militant now, and so it remains to be seen what part she'll play in the resolution of that problem. If it goes against the Faith - which I would not want to assume at this point - Tommen has some harsh life lessons ahead of him ...

PressRun

I think it'll probably turn out fairly predictably. Rickon will be dead when they arrive. The battle will seem lost (with perhaps the death of Davos taking place) and the knights of the Vale will swoop in just in the nick of time to save the day.

homerun_homer

Everyone is obsessed with Davos dying!!

intheclouds

Have we seen the scene from the season promo yet where Ramsay says "Do you like to play games little man?".

J. Marston

homerun_homer wrote: »

Everyone is obsessed with Davos dieing!!

It'll hurt less if you're prepared for it.

Stannis went out sat on his arse (admittedly, he led from the front and took out two when he was fecked but still...), Davos will go down in a blaze of glory.

lbj666

PressRun wrote: »

I think it'll probably turn out fairly predictably. Rickon will be dead when they arrive. The battle will seem lost (with perhaps the death of Davos taking place) and the knights of the Vale will swoop in just in the nick of time to save the day.

This is what I am worried about this is built up as by far the biggest battle GOT has done and shown on the show but I sincerely hope they haven't forgotten that its the outcome and the movement chess pieces involved in all is what people are intrigued by.

I mean if we are taken on cinematic rollercoaster and see the greatest battle even to be done on screen but for it to be simply deciphered at the end by what side Littlefinger and the Vale takes in the whole thing (even if he screws Sansa over) and I am going to be disappointed.

I am hope the Vale is just part of the equation.

PressRun

I think Baelish will have a big say. He's likely going to save Jon and Sansa from certain defeat and will probably want something in return, probably some sort of control over the North. I don't think he'll want Jon in the picture though, just Sansa.

leonil7

sansa will die.. and resurrected as the lady stoneheart ?

leonil7

this is like the roman legions vs the barbarians. wunwun should use a weapon like a long club, tree trunk, or big sword or chain as weapon to even the odds.

CMOTDibbler

leonil7 wrote: »

this is like the roman legions vs the barbarians. wunwun should use a weapon like a long club, tree trunk, or big sword or chain as weapon to even the odds.

Those shields look like they could be difficult to fight behind.

GerB40

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Those shields look like they could be difficult to fight behind.

More to the point, they look difficult to get behind...

Canadel

GerB40 wrote: »

More to the point, they look difficult to get behind...

Yeah, especially with arrows and Ramsay knows what raining down on you.

CMOTDibbler

GerB40 wrote: »

More to the point, they look difficult to get behind...

Get behind even a couple and then watch as they try to turn around

J. Marston

Wun Wun won't be long kicking a dozen holes in their little shield wall.

WinnyThePoo

J. Marston wrote:

Wun Wun won't be long kicking a dozen holes in their little shield wall.

I've really wanted to see then mountain go on a rampage ..it hasn't happened yet.

Hopefully we will see wun wun knock seveb shades not ****e out of these lads.

G.Ames

bnt wrote: »

One website I saw today raised an interesting possibility: now that Riverrun has been taken, Jamie may head back to King's Landing (despite being banished by Tommen), and may get there in time for Cersei's trial. At that point he may learn that she cheated on him with Lancel, leading to a rift between them. I'd go so far as to say that possibility has been foreshadowed by his intense declarations of undying love for her ... setting him up for some serious disappointment.

This possibility would be great, so Jamie will switch his mind and will hopefully retire himself from Cersei, so he can find his way again...

hardCopy

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

I've really wanted to see then mountain go on a rampage ..it hasn't happened yet.

Hopefully we will see wun wun knock seveb shades not ****e out of these lads.

I'd say we'll see him run amok then key change in the music as the sheer number of enemies means one of them can slash the back of his knee. He'll go down fighting and squish some heads as he breaths his last.

kingshankly

Can't wait for Sunday night battle of the bustards on Father's Day they couldn't have planned it better

CMOTDibbler

kingshankly wrote: »

Can't wait for Sunday night battle of the bustards on Father's Day they couldn't have planned it better

Unless you're in the US, it'll be Monday morning at the earliest

johnnyskeleton

The bolton army uses tactics and weaponry similar to the early roman republic. How have they not conquered all of westeros yet?

johnnyskeleton

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Those shields look like they could be difficult to fight behind.

The shield wall is basically used to keep pushing the other side back till they break formation and (usually) run away. Which is why it was so effective. Basically it was like a tank rolling over infantry.

CMOTDibbler

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

The shield wall is basically used to keep pushing the other side back till they break formation and (usually) run away. Which is why it was so effective. Basically it was like a tank rolling over infantry.

I'm just talking about those particular shields. They're far too tall. The Roman shield was shorter, allowing the soldier behind it a view of proceedings and allowing them to pick their targets. Once you get past those spear points, that shield is useless and a hindrance.

Shane St.

so pumped for this episode!

bazermc

If this doesn't wet your appetite nothing will;

https://youtu.be/rHlN3ur8ilg

Conall Cernach

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

The bolton army uses tactics and weaponry similar to the early roman republic. How have they not conquered all of westeros yet?

The Lannister's, Baratheon's, Tyrell's and others have heavy cavalry, war machines etc. They don't fight like the Wildlings and are more disciplined.

CMOTDibbler

A rumour has sprung up that Espisode 9 is not solely set in the North:

TV and satellite week has this in their magazine:



:eek:

J. Marston

Ground battle in the North and naval battle in Meereen? Yes please.

CMOTDibbler

J. Marston wrote: »

Ground battle in the North and naval battle in Meereen? Yes please.

Could be epic

J. Marston

J. Marston wrote: »

Wun Wun won't be long kicking a dozen holes in their little shield wall.

I fear for our giant wildling friend in this episode, Tormund too.

I'm hyped for this episode, but fear that some characters I like are going to be cut from the story in this episode. Littlefinger is a wildcard too, I expect him to take victory from the broken victors by the end.

The show is in its own space now as far as developing original content goes. I can't shake the feeling that D+D will want to conceive their own 'Red Wedding' type of scene, where protagonists get betrayed and butchered, and this could be it tonight.

PTH2009

Watching the wrestling tonight as I don't have a good/trustworthy sky Atlantic stream and this is an episode I want to watch in perfect quality. Hopefully I will see it before spoilers come out 2morrow.

Can't wait for it

Maybe sansa might die ?? Will see be actually fighting in the battle itself ??

googled eyes

Has it leaked yet?
Has it leaked yet?
Has it leaked yet?

CMOTDibbler

stankratz wrote: »

The show is in its own space now as far as developing original content goes. I can't shake the feeling that D+D will want to conceive their own 'Red Wedding' type of scene, where protagonists get betrayed and butchered, and this could be it tonight.

They can't kill off characters that are intrinsic to the plot and the overall story. The time for them to take shortcuts has pretty much passed at this stage.

tommy2bad

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

They can't kill off characters that are intrinsic to the plot and the overall story. The time for them to take shortcuts has pretty much passed at this stage.

This whole season has been a sequence of shortcuts. I doubt they will stop now.

CMOTDibbler

tommy2bad wrote: »

This whole season has been a sequence of shortcuts. I doubt they will stop now.

Really? Have you read an advance copy of The Winds of Winter? :pac:

aligator_am

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Unless you're in the US, it'll be Monday morning at the earliest

Yeah Sky Atlantic show it at the same time as the broadcast in the US, so it's on at 2am, will stay up for it as this episode looks like it's going to be mega.

Also, looks like the running time for this episode is about 10 minutes or so longer than normal

DeadHand

PTH2009 wrote: »

Maybe sansa might die ?? Will see be actually fighting in the battle itself ??

She's never held a sword in her life so it'll be pretty stupid if she starts leading infantry charges tonight.

J. Marston

Lyanna Mormont will lead the vanguard, riding a bear.

BoJack Horseman

I'm probably one of the few that would be quite ok with a Bolton/North victory in tonights Snow-Bowl.
I imagine most of us are on team Stark.

The Starks have no real role to play in the war for the Iron Throne and if they are not destroyed by the Boltons alliance then they will be destroyed by the vengeful Daenerys.

But I'm sure LittleFinger will ride to the rescue.

But, I'm open to the idea of the writers kicking the fans in the emotional nuts again.

DeadHand

Ok, Death Predictions for Bastardfest!

Definites: Wun Wun
Ramsey

Probables: Tormund 70%
Lord Karstark 70%

Possibles: Davos 50%
Rickon 50%
Lord Royce 30%
Lord Umber 30^

Safe: Sansa
Jon
Lyanna
Melisandre
Littllefinger

PressRun

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

I'm probably one of the few that would be quite ok with a Bolton/North victory in tonights Snow-Bowl.
I imagine most of us are on team Stark.

The Starks have no real role to play in the war for the Iron Throne and if they are not destroyed by the Boltons alliance then they will be destroyed by the vengeful Daenerys.

But I'm sure LittleFinger will ride to the rescue.

But, I'm open to the idea of the writers kicking the fans in the emotional nuts again.

To paraphrase Davos, we are looking towards far bigger battles than who will sit on the Iron Throne. I'd be shocked if the Iron Throne is even relevant by the end of all this. The whitewalkers are coming and Jon Snow, a member of the Stark clan, is one of the only people in the show who has seen them and is trying to warn people south of the wall. Another Stark, Bran, has also seen them and knows they're real, and possesses powers that are possibly connected to them or could possibly play a significant role in defeating them. I think for that reason alone, the Starks do have a a pretty big say left in this.

BoJack Horseman

PressRun wrote: »

the Starks do have a a pretty big say left in this.

As advocates for 'the war for the dawn'.... but nothing more.

Logically Danny will incinerate them with dragon fire when she gets to Westeros...

At best they go on tour trying to get reluctant kingdoms to throw everything against the White Walkers.

They themselves will be of military irrelevance, what with being reduced to a relative handful of troops.

CMOTDibbler

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

As advocates for 'the war for the dawn'.... but nothing more.

Logically Danny will incinerate them with dragon fire when she gets to Westeros...

Why logically? They have no aspirations for the Iron Throne, they just want Winterfell back. If anything they would be allies, having the same enemy.