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Euro 2016 - Italy V Belgium 8PM RTE2 / BBC

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  • #252
    [Deleted User]
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    Belgium. The Caroline Wozniacki of football. Being ranked no 1 means f**k all unless you can win something.


  • #253
    JustTheOne
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Belgium. The Caroline Wozniacki of football. Being ranked no 1 means f**k all unless you can win something.

    Their ranked no.2


  • #254
    mansize
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Belgium. The Caroline Wozniacki of football. Being ranked no 1 means f**k all unless you can win something.

    Cant even keep a fiancé...


  • #255
    [Deleted User]
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    JustTheOne wrote: »
    Their ranked no.2

    Confirms they're sh*te then.......


  • #256
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,765 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    I didn't think the Italians were that good, more so that the Belgians were rubbish. DeBruyne was awful, simply awful. Couldn't pass, cross, nothing. Hazard picked it up in the 2nd half but wasn't too hard since the 1st half was just a repeat of his Chelsea form.

    Fellani did ok, nothing special but far from the worst. Vertongen seemed to be the only one that cared at all out there.

    And for all of that they really should have come away with at least a draw. Lukaku had a gilt edged chance, yes Buffon did well but even he went down early and basically left the whole goal to aim at and Lukaku missed! Origi was even worse when he came on. Bad enough to miss a chance but even couldn't even seem to pass the ball.

    The Italian defence, for all the lauding it received in RTE, creaked many times tonight and any half decent team would have tested them more. They spent long periods, especially in the 2nd half, simply hoofing the ball clear. I woul bet that if Ireland are given that amount of the ball they could create at least a few chances. Belgium even got a few chances from corner kicks, not something that usually happens to a good Italian defence.

    Based on that match tonight, Belgium are going to struggle to get out of the group and Italy are going to be sent packing once they meet a half decent team


  • #257
    Ulysses Gaze
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    I don't understand why sections of the media were so quick to write off Italy.

    Conte is hardly a mug of a coach having won 3 titles in a row with Juve. They have an excellent defence with a terrific goalie. .

    Belgium strike me as all flash, no substance. Wilmots is also no great shakes as a tactician. A lot of Belgian fans think he's not good enough for the job.


  • #258
    [Deleted User]
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    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    Belgium strike me as all flash, no substance. Wilmots is also no great shakes as a tactician. A lot of Belgian fans think he's not good enough for the job.

    Wouldn't right them off yet. Lovely move for the Lukaku effort, though Buffon did spread himself brilliantly to put him off. For sure, they are going to come after us on Saturday.


  • #259
    Peist2007
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Wouldn't right them off yet. Lovely move for the Lukaku effort, though Buffon did spread himself brilliantly to put him off. For sure, they are going to come after us on Saturday.

    If Buffon had stayed on his line Lukaku wouldnt have been one on one. He made a decision to come and agood striker would have easily finished it. Lukaku looked so uncomfortable with it.


  • #260
    Jelle1880
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    Ireland don't have to fear this Belgium team. Our coach is so stubborn that simply because people are saying his tactics suck he'll probably continue with them, purely out of spite.


  • #261
    eagle eye
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    Two sides to this coin and I was wrong about both sides.

    I fancied Belgium to finally mature into a great team but I was wrong. I blame Wilmots for it too because this is not a team but a bunch of individuals on a field. It's up to him to get them playing together and he has failed to do that. The one thing about them last night though was that they never got frustrated and that is a good sign for the future.

    I was wrong about Italy, I thought they were a weak team and that is before the injuries to Marchisio and Verratti. I really fooled myself into believing that an Italian international side were no hopers. They have a great coach and I forgot that too. This performance was intelligent, hardworking and extremely well organised. I think they are serious contenders to win this and I believe that I witnessed the best team performance in the tournament so far last night.

    For all Belgium's faults they are still a good team who cruised through qualifying. They are not done in this tournament yet and I fear for Ireland taking them on next.

    My last thought is that if you switched the managers of those teams a year ago then last night's game would have seen Belgium thumping Italy.


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  • #262
    cj maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,635 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    I don't understand why sections of the media were so quick to write off Italy.

    Conte is hardly a mug of a coach having won 3 titles in a row with Juve. They have an excellent defence with a terrific goalie. .

    Belgium strike me as all flash, no substance. Wilmots is also no great shakes as a tactician. A lot of Belgian fans think he's not good enough for the job.

    Never write off italy , or germany , in a tournament !


  • #263
    blukyt
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    I fear for Ireland to be honest. I can't see Belgium being as bad as they were last night. They would want to take their frustrations out on their next opponents. Ireland will have to defend better. They will have to defend together from the front, as I think the likes of Whelan especially could get overrun in MF if Dembele starts.

    For me Dembele has to start. Belgium will have most of the possession, so Dembele is a better option than Fellaini (who can come off the bench). I would have Hazard play on the left with De Bryne as #10. I would start Origi as he has better movement and can drift wide right allowing De Bryne/Dembele space to do damage. Carrasco on the right

    It'll be a long 90mins for The Boys in Green. But my heart wants otherwise so COYBIG!!!!


  • #264
    Howard the Duck
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    blukyt wrote: »
    I fear for Ireland to be honest. I can't see Belgium being as bad as they were last night. They would want to take their frustrations out on their next opponents. Ireland will have to defend better. They will have to defend together from the front, as I think the likes of Whelan especially could get overrun in MF if Dembele starts.

    For me Dembele has to start. Belgium will have most of the possession, so Dembele is a better option than Fellaini (who can come off the bench). I would have Hazard play on the left with De Bryne as #10. I would start Origi as he has better movement and can drift wide right allowing De Bryne/Dembele space to do damage. Carrasco on the right

    It'll be a long 90mins for The Boys in Green. But my heart wants otherwise so COYBIG!!!!

    I agree they are wounded now and will pick up themselves up after that poor performance i think. If 2 or 3 of their players play well they will be very dangerous. But on the other hand Ireland will be confident after the Swedish game. Could make for a very exciting game, I'm hopeful but i wouldn't write off Belgium


  • #265
    KungPao
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    Howard the Duck wrote: »
    I agreed they are wounded now and will pick up themselves up after that poor performance i think. If 2 or 3 of their players play well they will be very dangerous. But on the other hand Ireland will be confident after the Swedish game. Could make for a very exciting game, I'm hopeful but i wouldn't write off Belgium

    I dont think they care enough to be wounded. Real chance of a win for us if we play like we did against sweden. A real smell of chelsea off belgium...loads of talent but mismanaged and no real desire to go and do the business.


  • #266
    dfx-
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,694 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    Italy winning a game doesn't make them a fantastic tournament team again just yet...they won their first game in the world cup and went out in the group.


  • #267
    Dirty Dingus McGee
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    Is there any reason why Dembele isn't a starter? a midfield of him and Witsel would have nice balance.


  • #268
    blukyt
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    Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »
    Is there any reason why Dembele isn't a starter? a midfield of him and Witsel would have nice balance.

    Beats me. If Wilmots has any sense (which I hope he doesn't) he'll be pairing them up against Ireland.


  • #269
    Howard the Duck
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    KungPao wrote: »
    I dont think they care enough to be wounded. Real chance of a win for us if we play like we did against sweden. A real smell of chelsea off belgium...loads of talent but mismanaged and no real desire to go and do the business.

    I don't believe they don't care about playing for their country. I think they just played badly, every player wants to win a major tournament. It's all about winning for the top players and Belgium have top players. I think Italy were much better than they were expecting, they will pick up thier game and will play better against us. Of course i hope i'm wrong and you're right.


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