Russia handed suspended sentence.

Fratton Fred

WarZ wrote: »

Deservedly so. Heysel was absolutely disgusting. Fathers watching their sons being knocked out and trampled, begging to be left alone while being crushed against a wall as Liverpool fans screamed and threw bottles. One of the darkest days in football IMO

Not a million miles from what happened in Marseille then. Thankfully, it being a more modern stadium, fans were able to flee much easier and the outcome nowhere near as tragic.

BoJack Horseman

tigger123 wrote: »

Pretty sure they have offered

For the 2022 world cup.
2018 is a 'European' allocated tournament....

However, FIFA have repeatedly committed to both hosts, so there will be no change.

Fratton Fred

tigger123 wrote: »

Yep, and give it to England. They have the infrastructure.

And the cynic in me suggests that's why England didn't get awarded it.

No new stadiums, means no major construction projects which means fewer Brown envelopes...

WarZ

Deleted User wrote: »

Man that Elmer hangs on to things for a long time!

Because of Heysel, English clubs were banned from Europan competition. It is completely appropriate that Russia is threatened with a very similar sanction.

It's not really similar though. In Heysel 39 people were killed and over 600 people seriously injured.

WarZ

WarZ wrote: »

It's not really similar though. In Heysel 39 people were killed and over 600 people seriously injured.

Yes, because a wall collapsed on fans fleeing the charging English supporters.

Here, no wall collapsed. Thankfully. But the Russian supporters shouldn't get any credit for that

SantryRed

Fratton Fred wrote: »

And the cynic in me suggests that's why England didn't get awarded it.

No new stadiums, means no major construction projects which means fewer Brown envelopes...

Or it's the fact that the English just aren't very likeable...

Part of me wants to see Russia and Ukraine meet as the Russians won't be able to help themselves.

Dying to see if UEFA would go through without their threat

BoJack Horseman

SantryRed wrote: »

Or it's the fact that the English just aren't very likeable...

Is Russia?

Qatar weren't 'likeable' either.

That is, until Sarkozy bent the ear of Platinni & swayed UEFA's votes towards the desert kingdom.....

A few months later Qatar entirely coincidentally announced a multi-billion euro deal with French jet fighter manufacturer Dassault.

.... but that's for another thread.

Gavlor

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Is Russia?

Qatar weren't 'likeable' either.

That is, until Sarkozy bent the ear of Platinni & swayed UEFA's votes towards the desert kingdom.....

A few months later Qatar entirely coincidentally announced a multi-billion euro deal with French jet fighter manufacturer Dassault.

.... but that's for another thread.

Are you insinuating that uefa is corrupt?

Well I never

Elmer Blooker

SantryRed wrote: »

Or it's the fact that the English just aren't very likeable...

The singing (or should I say grunting) of "Rule Britannia" in a stadium should result in an immediate ban!!

Edward Hopper

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

The singing (or should I say grunting) of "Rule Britannia" in a stadium should result in an immediate ban!!

Only if we can expel Ireland when they sing the fields of Athenry.

Gatling

It seems English and Welsh fans were attacked again this evening lille (If that's spelt correct ) by Russians at a bar french police managed one arrest and he was English

falan

https://www.facebook.com/Football-Hunting-grounds-595030030572248/

Edward Hopper

Gatling wrote: »

It seems English and Welsh fans were attacked again this evening lille (If that's spelt correct ) by Russians at a bar french police managed one arrest and he was English

Pretty obvious who's instigated that. Hopefully there won't be an issue between the Welsh and English anyway.

Rjd2

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Part of me wants to see Russia and Ukraine meet as the Russians won't be able to help themselves.

None of me wants that match, I think if we get that match up, we may get fatalities.

Edward Hopper

2 Russians arrested, one spat his gum shield out after arrest.

https://twitter.com/SkyKaveh/status/742775218196905984

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https://twitter.com/SkyKaveh/status/742782450238128128[/url]

Rjd2

Rjd2 wrote: »

None of me wants that match, I think if we get that match up, we may get fatalities.

Yeah, well nobody wants to see fatalities obviously.

More interested to see if UEFA have balls to carry out their threat

gandalf

If they get kicked out of the Euros FIFA has to consider taking the WC off them.

gandalf

gandalf wrote: »

If they get kicked out of the Euros FIFA has to consider taking the WC off them.

They never would this close to it.

Take it off them and give it to England. Nor that would be hilarious!

Rightwing

The Irish are lucky we are nowhere near these thugs.

UEFA should be sued by people who got hurt in the stadium. They have an obligation to protect people from these savages. It's when they are hit financially, that's when they will show respect to fans.

Harry Palmr

Edward Hopper wrote: »

Pretty obvious who's instigated that. Hopefully there won't be an issue between the Welsh and English anyway.

Yorkshire Pud/Leek alliance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir8tIjcK28k

Superhorse

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Yorkshire Pud/Leek alliance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir8tIjcK28k

England and Wales fans throwing glass bottles there at two Russians it seems. Hopefully UEFA have a close look at that the tournament can do without any more thug behaviour from their fans.

16 seconds in man nearly get's pint glass in the face. Disgraceful behaviour.

Rightwing

Superhorse wrote: »

England and Wales fans throwing glass bottles there at two Russians it seems. Hopefully UEFA have a close look at that the tournament can do without any more thug behaviour from their fans.

French police are totally inept. Standing around like spectators. Are they afraid? Maybe. But looking at these clips, it's easy to see how ISIS are running rings around them.

Edward Hopper

Superhorse wrote: »

England and Wales fans throwing glass bottles there at two Russians it seems. Hopefully UEFA have a close look at that the tournament can do without any more thug behaviour from their fans.

The UEFA police, patrolling in their hyundai? Yep they'll definitely make a note.

SantryRed

Superhorse wrote: »

England and Wales fans throwing glass bottles there at two Russians it seems. Hopefully UEFA have a close look at that the tournament can do without any more thug behaviour from their fans.

16 seconds in man nearly get's pint glass in the face. Disgraceful behaviour.

****ing hell man. WE GET YOUR POINT OF VIEW.

Superhorse

Rightwing wrote: »

French police are totally inept. Standing around like spectators. Are they afraid? Maybe. But looking at these clips, it's easy to see how ISIS are running rings around them.

Yes it's the polices fault England fans are throwing bottles and pint glasses in that video.

Rightwing

Superhorse wrote: »

Yes it's the polices fault England fans are throwing bottles and pint glasses in that video.

If the police are afraid to take a fight to thugs, others have to.

France shouldn't be awarded a tournament again. They can't manage it.

Superhorse

SantryRed wrote: »

****ing hell man. WE GET YOUR POINT OF VIEW.

I'm here for balance. The mantra from English media the last few days is that it's been all Russians fault, it hasn't by a long shot. Media in mainland Europe has had a more balanced view of what's going on with the English supporters. If you don't mind i'm entitled to a point of view, if you don't mind like.

Superhorse

Rightwing wrote: »

If the police are afraid to take a fight to thugs, others have to.

France shouldn't be awarded a tournament again. They can't manage it.

Lost for words with that post tbh.

Gatling

Rightwing wrote: »

French police are totally inept. Standing around like spectators. Are they afraid? Maybe.

I'd say very much afraid take your average English common garden thug usually on the beer all day can throw a dig more likely fall over when pushed by police,
Vs
Russian Ultras big likely ex military ,trained in hand to hand ,sober ,armed with telescopic batons act in large organised groups .

If your a local cop who would you rather try to apprehend

Jack Killian

unkel wrote: »

To punish a sports team, no, a whole country, because of the bad behaviour of a few hooligans? Not only grossly unfair, but actually highlighting the incompetence of the French authorities to control a crowd. Punish the hooligans, not anybody else!

Blame the authorities for scumbags' behaviour ? That is stunning!

And completely at odds with your last sentence.

Edward Hopper

SantryRed wrote: »

****ing hell man. WE GET YOUR POINT OF VIEW.

Dunno, it's pretty subtle the way he makes his point. It's definitely something to do with the English, not sure what. I think by the end of the tournament, we will conclusively be able to tell.

Jack Killian

Rightwing wrote: »

If the police are afraid to take a fight to thugs, others have to

Yeah because English "fans" are saints and only become scum when provoked...... :rolleyes:

Rightwing

Gatling wrote: »

I'd say very much afraid take your average English common garden thug usually on the beer all day can throw a dig more likely fall over when pushed by police,
Vs
Russian Ultras big likely ex military ,trained in hand to hand ,sober ,armed with telescopic batons act in large organised groups .

If your a local cop who would you rather try to apprehend

Spot on. And in a way it is understandable that they are acting like cowards.

But do the decent thing, and call in the army.

Jack Killian

Edward Hopper wrote: »

2 Russians arrested, one spat his gum shield out after arrest.

https://twitter.com/SkyKaveh/status/742775218196905984

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https://twitter.com/SkyKaveh/status/742782450238128128[/url]

Hang on - he brought a fcuking gumshield ? Talk about being prepared! No wonder he tried to spit out the evidence!

Superhorse

Jack Killian wrote: »

Yeah because English "fans" are saints and only become scum when provoked...... :rolleyes:

Sipping Coffee and the big bad Russians just attacked us honest guv.

Elmer Blooker

Superhorse wrote: »

England and Wales fans throwing glass bottles there at two Russians it seems. Hopefully UEFA have a close look at that the tournament can do without any more thug behaviour from their fans.

16 seconds in man nearly get's pint glass in the face. Disgraceful behaviour.

Disgraceful, the "f**k off Russia" chant is incitement to violence.
It says England and Wales fans but I would think most Welsh fans have the sense to avoid the English like the plague.
Iceland goal !!:D

Korat

There's no way a World Cup should be held it Russia. Even ignoring their invasion and annexation of part of Ukraine, ongoing intimidation and provocation of neighbouring states, state sponsored terrorism, corruption, poltical assasinations, homophobic and racist laws, even ignoring the detestable nature of the current poltical regime in Russia they're CHEATS in sport. They have been systematicly doping for years and what went on the Socchi winter games should be the final proof that they can't be allowed host any major sporting event.

FIFA is a broken organisation and the issue of Russia hosting a corrupt World Cup is a perfect opportunity for the football associations of law abiding civilised countries to break away and form a new clean governing body for World football.

Beefy78

All the talk a few weeks ago was potential problems between England and Wales (am I right in thinking that it was the only game with an embargo on alcohol sales announced a few weeks ago?), the issues with England and Russia were well known and there's no love lost between the Slovaks and their former Soviet overlords as well. It simply beggars belief that UEFA have stuck all four sets of fans in the same town this week.

Ulysses Gaze

Korat wrote: »

There's no way a World Cup should be held it Russia. Even ignoring their invasion and annexation of part of Ukraine, ongoing intimidation and provocation of neighbouring states, state sponsored terrorism, corruption, poltical assasinations, homophobic and racist laws, even ignoring the detestable nature of the current poltical regime in Russia they're CHEATS in sport. They have been systematicly doping for years and what went on the Socchi winter games should be the final proof that they can't be allowed host any major sporting event.

FIFA is a broken organisation and the issue of Russia hosting a corrupt World Cup is a perfect opportunity for the football associations of law abiding civilised countries to break away and form a new clean governing body for World football.

World Cup should not be in Qatar either.

godtabh

So are they out now? Lots of **** on twitter of russians attacking English fans tonight

Ulysses Gaze

godtabh wrote: »

So are they out now? Lots of **** on twitter of russians attacking English fans tonight

Let's see if UEFA have the bottle to throw them out.

My money is they won't.

In fact, they'd be more likely to throw England out!

godtabh

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Let's see if UEFA have the bottle to throw them out.

My money is they won't.

In fact, they'd be more likely to throw England out!

I'd agree. Total farce

titan18

Great idea. Kick them out and make far more Russian fans angry and with nothing to do on the streets of France. Seems sensible.

citytillidie

godtabh wrote: »

So are they out now? Lots of **** on twitter of russians attacking English fans tonight

Nope did not happen in the ground so UEFA will turn a blind eye

tigger123

UEFA said they would throw them out of there's incidents inside the stadium.

Rightwing

godtabh wrote: »

So are they out now? Lots of **** on twitter of russians attacking English fans tonight

No. It has to happen inside the stadium.

godtabh

Didnt realise it had to be in the stadium

Superhorse

Korat wrote: »

There's no way a World Cup should be held it Russia. Even ignoring their invasion and annexation of part of Ukraine, ongoing intimidation and provocation of neighbouring states, state sponsored terrorism, corruption, poltical assasinations, homophobic and racist laws, even ignoring the detestable nature of the current poltical regime in Russia they're CHEATS in sport. They have been systematicly doping for years and what went on the Socchi winter games should be the final proof that they can't be allowed host any major sporting event.

FIFA is a broken organisation and the issue of Russia hosting a corrupt World Cup is a perfect opportunity for the football associations of law abiding civilised countries to break away and form a new clean governing body for World football.

The political side of your argument is piss weak. The west have made a concerted effort to surround Russia and place missiles within minutes of major Russian metropolitan areas. They basically backstabbed Russia and it's taken strong leadership from Putin to halt the American lead push. Also do you really want to bring invasions into it, should the world cup be given to England or America.

Rightwing

godtabh wrote: »

Didnt realise it had to be in the stadium

Has to be inside the ground.
That's why only a complete moron would be defending the Russians.

They were seen charging at innocent supporters in the stadium. No ifs, no buts, and no maybes.

Outside, it's harder to tell who caused it. UEFA aren't responsible for outside, hence their warning to England was as stupid as it gets.

Fan safety should be everyone's concern, regardless of where they are from.