South Africa V Ireland, Second Test Build-up Thread

irishbucsfan

Buer wrote: »

If Holland continues on in the same manner he finished this season, I'd have him odds on to get a cap against Canada.

If he does that, there's a very strong chance he leapfrogs Madigan.

I would say whoever is starting for Munster next season is going to leapfrog Madigan

Dog Botherer

Buer wrote: »

If Holland continues on in the same manner he finished this season, I'd have him odds on to get a cap against Canada.

If he does that, there's a very strong chance he leapfrogs Madigan.

Less positionally flexible, but also less prone to random acts of insanity. A true headache for Joe.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

former total wrote: »

Madigan has to be released for the international windows.

I forgot it's only your man at Toulon that makes a fuss about it.

connachta

Zzippy wrote: »

connachta wrote: »

30th October 2018

2017

Right sorry, counting 1,2,3 is sooo hard!

mareegoo

bilston wrote: »

We don't have loads of 10s or THs. Plus they're squad regulars.

We have loads of wingers and Scholes isn't in the squad.

From that list you need to include Denis Buckley on a par with McGrath and streets ahead of kilcoyne. Totally consistent, good scrummager but dare i say he would get more turnovers than mcgrath - his body position over the ball is immaculate.

Also you are forgetting we need to look towards 2019.

So scratch reddan and in comes maybe cooney or mcgrath if he improves somewhat.
At outhalf mr holland comes into the picture.
Backrow I would fully expect heenan, masterson, connolly and SOB v2.0 all to be in squad ahead of reidy & van der flier. They are just better players and more skilful with ball in hand.
ryan from leinster U20s will come in and keep an eye on cian romaine
watch out for sam arnold at centre for munster next season

bilston

mareegoo wrote: »

bilston wrote: »

We don't have loads of 10s or THs. Plus they're squad regulars.

We have loads of wingers and Scholes isn't in the squad.

From that list you need to include Denis Buckley on a par with McGrath and streets ahead of kilcoyne. Totally consistent, good scrummager but dare i say he would get more turnovers than mcgrath - his body position over the ball is immaculate.

Also you are forgetting we need to look towards 2019.

So scratch reddan and in comes maybe cooney or mcgrath if he improves somewhat.
At outhalf mr holland comes into the picture.
Backrow I would fully expect heenan, masterson, connolly and SOB v2.0 all to be in squad ahead of reidy & van der flier. They are just better players and more skilful with ball in hand.
ryan from leinster U20s will come in and keep an eye on cian romaine
watch out for sam arnold at centre for munster next season

I should have included Buckley, but I don't agree he is on a par with McGrath.

I didn't include the likes of Masterson, SOB2, Connelly, Ringrose, Holland etc deliberately. I was merely trying to demonstrate our depth with the current players. The fact you add them to the list merely demonstrates the fact we have more depth than ever.

As for Arnold, he left Ulster for a reason and that is because he was behind Olding, McCloskey, Marshall, Payne and Cave in the midfield. In other words he has a fair bit to go, and that's not including Henshaw and Ringrose, but he is young and will come into contention eventually. He is a good player.

irishbucsfan

I don't think we have any player in any position as good as McGrath. Such an important player for us at the moment.

Rightwing

I don't like the look of this team. Poor selections.

Boks to win.

salmocab

Mc Grath is streets ahead of any other LH at the moment.

irishbucsfan

Rightwing wrote: »

I don't like the look of this team. Poor selections.

Boks to win.

Which changes do you take issue with?

mfceiling

Rightwing wrote: »

I don't like the look of this team. Poor selections.

Boks to win.

Mr Positivity I've been expecting you...

irishbucsfan

mfceiling wrote: »

Mr Positivity I've been expecting you...

I think we might lose and the worst part about it is we'll probably end up with another week of being told about how rubbish Joe Schmidt, the most conservative man in the world who makes people cry in the video room, is.

Noopti

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I think we might lose and the worst part about it is we'll probably end up with another week of being told about how rubbish Joe Schmidt, the most conservative man in the world who makes people cry in the video room, is.

I think we may be surprised. I am not confident of a win, but I think this team will give it everything and give a very good account of themselves. I certainly don't think the Boks will find it easy

Felix Jones is God

I think Joe has been clever with this team, he's picked a side that will be strong and aggressive and will match the Saffers physically.
He's taking a chance on maybe snatching the win, give some tired bodies a rest...and if we lose...getting everyone back fit and rested for the third test

Billysays no

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I think we might lose and the worst part about it is we'll probably end up with another week of being told about how rubbish Joe Schmidt, the most conservative man in the world who makes people cry in the video room, is.

well it won't be from me for a change. i'm delighted with this team and if they get whipped I won't complain. its the type of team I like so if it fails well all I can do is hold my hands up

Mahatma Geansai

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I think we might lose and the worst part about it is we'll probably end up with another week of being told about how rubbish Joe Schmidt, the most conservative man in the world who makes people cry in the video room, is.

I'd expect more than such straw-maning.

Schmidt earned a reputation as a conservative coach for Ireland due to conservative, injury-enforced, selections and a conservative gameplan. This had the side going backwards over the last 12 months. It currently looks like Schmidt has acknowledged this and is trying to rectify it.

kuang1

Billysays no wrote: »

well it won't be from me for a change. i'm delighted with this team and if they get whipped I won't complain. its the type of team I like so if it fails well all I can do is hold my hands up

Whatever changes you've made to your diet...keep 'em that way!

Can't see a whipping at all. I know you probably can't either?

Looking forward to this no end.

Zzippy

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I think we might lose and the worst part about it is we'll probably end up with another week of being told about how rubbish Joe Schmidt, the most conservative man in the world who makes people cry in the video room, is.

Mahatma Geansai wrote: »

I'd expect more than such straw-maning.

Schmidt earned a reputation as a conservative coach for Ireland due to conservative, injury-enforced, selections and a conservative gameplan. This had the side going backwards over the last 12 months. It currently looks like Schmidt has acknowledged this and is trying to rectify it.

Leave the bitching and moaning til after the game please. No more of this sh1te.

Billysays no

kuang1 wrote: »

Whatever changes you've made to your diet...keep 'em that way!

Can't see a whipping at all. I know you probably can't either?

Looking forward to this no end.

I think its joe who has made a change to his diet and I love it :-)

The Rape of Lucretia

Mahatma Geansai wrote: »

I'd expect more than such straw-maning.

Schmidt earned a reputation as a conservative coach for Ireland due to conservative, injury-enforced, selections and a conservative gameplan. This had the side going backwards over the last 12 months. It currently looks like Schmidt has acknowledged this and is trying to rectify it.

His selections in that period were in fact visionary, and so far on a superior plane of rugby thinking, that some mistook them for being conservative. 'Conservative' was just a pat label applied by those who didnt understand what he was doing and the genius of his plans.

Joe is just working beyond the level of some observers rugby comprehension. Its like the difference between the person who knows the moves in chess and so can play it, and the grandmaster who can see many moves in advance with many alternatives of strategies and traps within that.

Today's selection is just a little more understandable to the majority and so they are lauding it.

mareegoo

salmocab wrote: »

Mc Grath is streets ahead of any other LH at the moment.

disagree totally ingenious to buckley

buckley was outstanding in the win against toulouse in recent years

he is much better at turnovers than mcgrath

mcgrath has the edge at scrum time but i say watch games each has played and who gets around the park more ?? it is buckley.

joe is lucky he is injured because to have kilcoyne ahead of him would be an absolute travesty

you will see how good buckley is next year in the champions cup (again he proved his worth already at that level)

Mahatma Geansai

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

His selections in that period were in fact visionary, and so far on a superior plane of rugby thinking, that some mistook them for being conservative. 'Conservative' was just a pat label applied by those who didnt understand what he was doing and the genius of his plans.

Joe is just working beyond the level of some observers rugby comprehension. Its like the difference between the person who knows the moves in chess and so can play it, and the grandmaster who can see many moves in advance with many alternatives of strategies and traps within that.

Today's selection is just a little more understandable to the majority and so they are lauding it.

irishbucsfan

mareegoo wrote: »

disagree totally ingenious to buckley

buckley was outstanding in the win against toulouse in recent years

he is much better at turnovers than mcgrath

mcgrath has the edge at scrum time but i say watch games each has played and who gets around the park more ?? it is buckley.

joe is lucky he is injured because to have kilcoyne ahead of him would be an absolute travesty

you will see how good buckley is next year in the champions cup (again he proved his worth already at that level)

Last weekend for Ireland McGrath made the most tackles as well as the most rucks. I rate Buckley very highly and would have him on the bench but McGrath at the moment gets around the pitch more than any other Irish forward, let alone any other front row, despite being a scrummager of the highest calibre.

Rightwing

For the record, if we lose I won't be complaining.

Won well last week and credit has to go to all concerned for that, and hopefully like England, we may win a historic series with a game to spare.

Felix Jones is God

Someone's hacked Rightwings account!!

Hagz

It's not an overly impressive Springbok team to be honest. A back-line full of new combinations. The centre combo of Mapoe and De Allende didn't get moving at all last week. Pietersen and Le Roux are terribly inconsistent. The half-back partnership is certainly on form playing for the Lions this season, but they're very raw in the test arena.

I'm fairly confident of an Irish win, while at the same time being mindful of new combinations/selections.

Billysays no

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

His selections in that period were in fact visionary, and so far on a superior plane of rugby thinking, that some mistook them for being conservative. 'Conservative' was just a pat label applied by those who didnt understand what he was doing and the genius of his plans.

Joe is just working beyond the level of some observers rugby comprehension. Its like the difference between the person who knows the moves in chess and so can play it, and the grandmaster who can see many moves in advance with many alternatives of strategies and traps within that.

Today's selection is just a little more understandable to the majority and so they are lauding it.

You may be right. I am no rugby genius. I just know what I like. So maybe what I like is not very smart. I don't say that it is. But it is what I like. Obviously Joe knows better. Its why when I applied for the job they grinned

Zzippy

Closing this thread as the build-up is pretty much over. Match thread here. Come on Ireland!