British Labour MP shot near Leeds (mod warning in first post)

Stigura

Bit more ..... http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/jo-cox-murdered-mps-final-words-as-she-lay-dying-revealed-by-assistants-father-a3274796.html

Jayop

RobertKK wrote: »

It was a targeted attack, and right wing extremism being the ideology behind the attack along with mental health issues is the direction the police are going with the investigation.

Of course it was, and anyone trying to suggest otherwise yesterday was probably agenda driven. This was never a random act or her being in the wrong place This was always going to be about either the Brexit or her attitudes towards immigration. With the center and far right stoking up emotions since before the last GE over there it's no wonder something like this has happened.

RayM

Jayop wrote: »

Of course it was, and anyone trying to suggest otherwise yesterday was probably agenda driven. This was never a random act or her being in the wrong place This was always going to be about either the Brexit or her attitudes towards immigration. With the center and far right stoking up emotions since before the last GE over there it's no wonder something like this has happened.

https://twitter.com/David_Cameron/status/642984909980725248

Maybe right-wing politicians will now be more careful with their scaremongering.

Jayop

RayM wrote: »

Maybe right-wing politicians will now be more careful with their scaremongering.

Exactly what I mean. Cameron is a moron. He runs a GE scaremongering about immigrants then expects to win a referendum that was always going to be about immigration. He wanted to have his cake and eat it.

He and all the others who've incited hate in the UK and further afield have this woman's blood on their hands.

Rjd2

Jayop wrote: »

Of course it was, and anyone trying to suggest otherwise yesterday was probably agenda driven. This was never a random act or her being in the wrong place This was always going to be about either the Brexit or her attitudes towards immigration. With the center and far right stoking up emotions since before the last GE over there it's no wonder something like this has happened.

All we had for a few hours afterwards was the eye witnesses who had conflicting reports, which I think for some was where the confusion was. Their was agendas off course from both sides, but their was some who wanted to wait until we learn some more facts about the case. Not all us are dreadful, just the majority of us. :pac:

Jayop

Rjd2 wrote: »

All we had for a few hours afterwards was the eye witnesses who had conflicting reports, which I think for some was where the confusion was. Their was agendas off course from both sides, but their was some who wanted to wait until we learn some more facts about the case. Not all us are dreadful, just the majority of us. :pac:

Dude it was pretty much crystal clear once it emerged who and what she was what kind of a crime this was and what the motive would be.

scream

The Police have said that they are keeping an open mind and are investigating not just a terrorism angle but also the mental illness aspect and an un investigated sexual angle. Given that they haven't determined exactly what his motive was we can assume that he didn't make a statement to the Police claiming political issues for doing so? If it were politically motivated one would expect him to be shouting it from the rooftops.

A Dub in Glasgo

It is fairly obvious that was a political murder

Junkyard Tom

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

It is fairly obvious that was a political murder

A guy with serious political views shoots and stabs to death an elected politician with political views at odds to his and it's a "political murder"?

Stop trying to politicise this tragedy. :mad:


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12Phase

RayM wrote: »

https://twitter.com/David_Cameron/status/642984909980725248

Maybe right-wing politicians will now be more careful with their scaremongering.

That really sums up the state of British politics right now. Toxic and willing to use highly divisive rhetoric like that.

I know Ireland's political system has got it's quirks and annoyances, but I'm very glad that we're not as divided as that!

Jayop

Jayop wrote: »

OWith the center and far right stoking up emotions since before the last GE over there it's no wonder something like this has happened.

There's a wide chasm between "stoking up emotions" and shooting a politician to death in the street.

You could reverse an articulated lorry and build several McInerney homes between the two ideas.

We're not even talking incitement to violence here. Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson weren't standing on a rostrum on a grubby street in Yorkshire shouting "Go on, lads; get her!"

I think what you're saying here is nothing more than a populist cheap-shot. Not only are you diminishing the killer's personal responsibility, you're framing it in a way which implicitly challenges the free exchange of ideas, and the right to freedom of speech.

Nothing that has been said by Farage and his ilk can be reasonably described as violent.

I hope for the sake of the family of the victim, that nobody uses her as a pawn in their petty little squabble.

Saipanne

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

There's a wide chasm between "stoking up emotions" and shooting a politician to death in the street.

You could reverse an articulated lorry and build several McInerney homes between the two ideas.

We're not even talking incitement to violence here. Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson weren't standing on a rostrum on a grubby street in Yorkshire shouting "Go on, lads; get her!"

I think what you're saying here is nothing more than a populist cheap-shot. Not only are you diminishing the killer's personal responsibility, you're framing it in a way which implicitly challenges the free exchange of ideas, and the right to freedom of speech.

Nothing that has been said by Farage and his ilk can be reasonably described as violent.

I hope for the sake of the family of the victim, that nobody uses her as a pawn in their petty little squabble.

Spot on.

Rjd2

Jayop wrote: »

Dude it was pretty much crystal clear once it emerged who and what she was what kind of a crime this was and what the motive would be.

Well yeah once the links to the South Africa white racists and subs to the Nazi subscriptions came out, it was pretty obvious his allegiance and their is reports their is photos of him at BP meetings floating around as I type.

I think what I am trying to explain is when all we had was conflicting eye reports, it was probably a little early to label him as "far right", especially as those reports did suggest that she was interfering in a fight between the alleged killer and other person which at the time did not suggest it was planned.

Little CuChulainn

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

We're not even talking incitement to violence here. Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson weren't standing on a rostrum on a grubby street in Yorkshire shouting "Go on, lads; get her!"

Such is the power of hate speech

A Dub in Glasgo

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

There's a wide chasm between "stoking up emotions" and shooting a politician to death in the street.

You could reverse an articulated lorry and build several McInerney homes between the two ideas.

We're not even talking incitement to violence here. Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson weren't standing on a rostrum on a grubby street in Yorkshire shouting "Go on, lads; get her!"

I think what you're saying here is nothing more than a populist cheap-shot. Not only are you diminishing the killer's personal responsibility, you're framing it in a way which implicitly challenges the free exchange of ideas, and the right to freedom of speech.

Nothing that has been said by Farage and his ilk can be reasonably described as violent.

I hope for the sake of the family of the victim, that nobody uses her as a pawn in their petty little squabble.

A day of Infamy

stefanovich

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

There's a wide chasm between "stoking up emotions" and shooting a politician to death in the street.

You could reverse an articulated lorry and build several McInerney homes between the two ideas.

We're not even talking incitement to violence here. Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson weren't standing on a rostrum on a grubby street in Yorkshire shouting "Go on, lads; get her!"

I think what you're saying here is nothing more than a populist cheap-shot. Not only are you diminishing the killer's personal responsibility, you're framing it in a way which implicitly challenges the free exchange of ideas, and the right to freedom of speech.

Nothing that has been said by Farage and his ilk can be reasonably described as violent.

I hope for the sake of the family of the victim, that nobody uses her as a pawn in their petty little squabble.

Well said.

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Such is the power of hate speech

Where's the hate speech?

stefanovich

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

A day of Infamy

I'm usually a fan of the spectator but that was pure drivel.

catbear

12Phase wrote: »

I know Ireland's political system has got it's quirks and annoyances, but I'm very glad that we're not as divided as that!

I reckon the next abortion referendum will be very divisive.

beach_walker

So much for no campaigning today, got a load of leaflets (all Remain) through the door this evening.

Jayop

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

There's a wide chasm between "stoking up emotions" and shooting a politician to death in the street.

You could reverse an articulated lorry and build several McInerney homes between the two ideas.

We're not even talking incitement to violence here. Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson weren't standing on a rostrum on a grubby street in Yorkshire shouting "Go on, lads; get her!"

I think what you're saying here is nothing more than a populist cheap-shot. Not only are you diminishing the killer's personal responsibility, you're framing it in a way which implicitly challenges the free exchange of ideas, and the right to freedom of speech.

Nothing that has been said by Farage and his ilk can be reasonably described as violent.

I hope for the sake of the family of the victim, that nobody uses her as a pawn in their petty little squabble.

Rubbish. You don't have to stand on a soap box calling out for people to be killed to have a direct effect on someone getting riled up and doing something crazy.

Do you think Donald Trump's rhetoric is a major causal factor in an huge increase in racism related incidents in US schools? is it that much of a leap to say that if you can get loads of people riled up enough about something like the right have down with immigration int he last few years that you're going to have at least one nutter that's going to take your message and go one step further.

The nonsense spouted by the Tory and other more extreme right groups are causing race hate incidents up and down the UK. They are a direct causal factor in these incidents and this is no different.

Free speech is grand and all, but it comes with great responsibility. If you wind someone up to the point where they do something like this then you are a part of it.

"The Labour Party is now a threat to our national security, our economic security and your family's security."

The Prime ****ing minister said that. Are you surprised that some unstable nutcase took the message and decided to do something to protect their families security?

Jayop

stefanovich wrote: »

I'm usually a fan of the spectator but that was pure drivel.

It's really not.

KingBrian2

catbear wrote: »

I reckon the next abortion referendum will be very divisive.

That is why it is important for calm and intelligent debate to be allowed and not sensationalist and sweeping allegations be made.:(

Only by communicating through lively conversations and with a tolerant manner can people agree and move forward on making good decisions.

PressRun

I actually feel sad that the first time I ever heard about her was because of her murder. There are so many politicians clogging up the airwaves who are genuinely divisive and preoccupied with serving their own interests, and by contrast she seemed like a compassionate individual who wanted to make a real difference. It's really a tragedy that she won't achieve her full potential in politics, and an even bigger tragedy that her children have had their mother snatched from them in such an abrupt and violent way.

A Dub in Glasgo

stefanovich wrote: »

I'm usually a fan of the spectator but that was pure drivel.

Where exactly is the drivel?

prinzeugen

Jayop wrote: »

"The Labour Party is now a threat to our national security, our economic security and your family's security."

The Prime ****ing minister said that. Are you surprised that some unstable nutcase took the message and decided to do something to protect their families security?

Got a link for that???

Jayop

KingBrian2 wrote: »

That is why it is important for calm and intelligent debate to be allowed and not sensationalist and sweeping allegations be made.:(

Only by communicating through lively conversations and with a tolerant manner can people agree and move forward on making good decisions.

Unfortunately, one side of the debate will pedal lies and drag the entire thing down. The exact same people who were given airtime to do the same in the last referendum here.

Jayop

prinzeugen wrote: »

Got a link for that???

Check the last page. It was a tweet from his twitter account. Someone linked it.

whatstherush

Here's Tommy out and about with his mates

https://twitter.com/Far_Right_Watch/status/743870968133750784?s=03

A Dub in Glasgo

prinzeugen wrote: »

Got a link for that???

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=100070149&postcount=254

prinzeugen

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=100070149&postcount=254

On the 13th of September 2015!!! Prob referring to Corbyn saying he would not push the button to launch nukes.

Wtf has that tweet got to do with recent events?!

stefanovich

whatstherush wrote: »

Here's Tommy out and about with his mates

https://twitter.com/Far_Right_Watch/status/743870968133750784?s=03

The "anti-fascist" fascists also know how to use twitter.

stefanovich

prinzeugen wrote: »

On the 13th of September 2015!!! Prob referring to Corbyn saying he would not push the button to launch nukes.

Wtf has that tweet got to do with recent events?!

They are going to milk this for everything it is worth.

Pro Hoc Vice

whatstherush wrote: »

Here's Tommy out and about with his mates

https://twitter.com/Far_Right_Watch/status/743870968133750784?s=03

Did BF say they had no idea who he was? The far right is very worried about this.

Jayop

prinzeugen wrote: »

On the 13th of September 2015!!! Prob referring to Corbyn saying he would not push the button to launch nukes.

Wtf has that tweet got to do with recent events?!

WTF would someone mention a thread where the PM said a particular party is a thread to everyone's family security and less than a year later a member of that party is murdered because of her political views??

Are you for real?? It's being mentioned as an example of the kind of dangerous language that the right has been getting away with using for far too long.

whatstherush

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

Did BF say they had no idea who he was? The far right is very worried about this.

Not just the far right, Louise mensch and brietbart have just got it right up the hole with the dribble they have been posting all day.

My name is URL

ITV News saying that police and counter-terrorism agencies are investigating his links to right-wing extremist groups 'as a priority'

First time I've heard it stated as a matter of fact

dav3

stefanovich wrote: »

They are going to milk this for everything it is worth.

Who is "they"?

Its dead Jim

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

Did BF say they had no idea who he was? The far right is very worried about this.

Don't think they said he wasn't a member, just that they weren't involved and don't endorse it.

whatstherush wrote: »

Not just the far right, Louise mensch and brietbart have just got it right up the hole with the dribble they have been posting all day.

Dribble is a nice way of putting what breitbart produces. I think of a different orifice for where their ideas come from.

prinzeugen

Jayop wrote: »

WTF would someone mention a thread where the PM said a particular party is a thread to everyone's family security and less than a year later a member of that party is murdered because of her political views??

Are you for real?? It's being mentioned as an example of the kind of dangerous language that the right has been getting away with using for far too long.

You seem to forget that she was getting hate mail for a year or two. Its one nutjob.

Nothing to do with the "right"..

Same happened to Jill Dando.

RayM

This short article on the London Review of Books website is really good.

"If politicians and the media tell people their ‘way of life is under threat’ often enough, people will believe them. Politicians and the media aren’t responsible for Cox’s death, but they are responsible for creating a toxic climate in which hatred has won out and is deemed an acceptable response to anger."

Pro Hoc Vice

Its dead Jim wrote: »

Don't think they said he wasn't a member, just that they weren't involved and don't endorse it.



Dribble is a nice way of putting what breitbart produces. I think of a different orifice for where their ideas come from.

"and the that suspect was “categorically not a member” of the group."

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_5762f6a6e4b0681487dcdcc1?edition=uk

Pro Hoc Vice

prinzeugen wrote: »

You seem to forget that she was getting hate mail for a year or two. Its one nutjob.

Nothing to do with the "right"..

Same happened to Jill Dando.

I would totally agree with you if every lone wolf nutter attacking innocent people was not stated to be a Muslim first.

unseenfootage

whatstherush wrote: »

Here's Tommy out and about with his mates

https://twitter.com/Far_Right_Watch/status/743870968133750784?s=03

There was some doubt whether this Terrorist Tommy shouted "Britain First" or "Put Britain First"

This photo should put that doubt to rest.

Its dead Jim

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

"and the that suspect was “categorically not a member” of the group."

Fair enough. I was going by their previous statement.

Pro Hoc Vice

Its dead Jim wrote: »

Fair enough. I was going by their previous statement.

I'm shocked hate filled group lies well like much of what they say it's lies.

prinzeugen

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

I'm shocked hate filled group lies well like much of what they say it's lies.

As does most groups. Spin the facts to **** to try and gain.. ****ing sad that people would use someone's death for that but watch Labour, or rather Corbyn, will try to use it.

KingBrian2

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

"and the that suspect was “categorically not a member” of the group."

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_5762f6a6e4b0681487dcdcc1?edition=uk

The media is not getting its story straight. First he said "Britain First". Then we are told he was member of a far right club and now multiple reports say he said other words and he was not a member of any political group. What can we believe!

Pro Hoc Vice

prinzeugen wrote: »

As does most groups. Spin the facts to **** to try and gain.. ****ing sad that people would use someone's death for that but watch Labour, or rather Corbyn, will try to use it.

As if Trump or whoever has not jumped on every crime that suits their agenda and make light of those that don't.

Pro Hoc Vice

KingBrian2 wrote: »

The media is not getting its story straight. First he said "Britain First". Then we are told he was member of a far right club and now multiple reports say he said other words and he was not a member of any political group. What can we believe!

Funny how no one questions the media when it's a mental deranged Muslim.

El Weirdo

KingBrian2 wrote: »

The media is not getting its story straight. First he said "Britain First". Then we are told he was member of a far right club and now multiple reports say he said other words and he was not a member of any political group. What can we believe!

Well if this is actually confirmed to be him, then it's fairly damning.

whatstherush wrote: »

Here's Tommy out and about with his mates

https://twitter.com/Far_Right_Watch/status/743870968133750784?s=03