Euro 2016 - Group D - Czech Republic vs Croatia, 5pm, RTE & BBC

Aidric

Andy Mitten on twitter saying it was scuffles between rival Croatian ultras. What utter morons.

mansize

dfx- wrote: »

no real need to be threatening to kick them out. It was clearly infighting which is very different to Marseille.

It puts people in danger

dfx-

dfx- wrote: »

no real need to be threatening to kick them out. It was clearly infighting which is very different to Marseille.

I dunno if that's much of a defence, in that fighting can cause injury and panic even if not between opposing fans.

dfx-

dfx- wrote: »

no real need to be threatening to kick them out. It was clearly infighting which is very different to Marseille.

The flare incident is the more serious I'd imagine, not the fighting

AdolfEngland

Turtwig wrote: »

Explosions don't have to touch you to hurt you. Concussion from a near explosion can be pretty bad.

I'm aware of that. It was a firecracker not a bomb and from the close up he will be fine.

Mahony0509

Hope to god that steward is ok, thought he was killed when he went flying tbh.

citytillidie

Bret Hart wrote: »

Just hope now Spain don't balls it up like Croatia,have in what is a result that could affect our progression.

Team Pl W D L F A GD Pts
N.Ireland 2 1 0 1 2 1 1 3
Slovakia 2 1 0 1 3 3 0 3
Iceland 1 0 1 0 1 1 0 1
Romania 2 0 1 1 2 3 -1 1
Czech 2 0 1 0 2 3 -1 1
Sweden 2 0 1 1 1 2 -1 1


As it stands, Irelands group is bottom

Mahony0509

citytillidie wrote: »

Team Pl W D L F A GD Pts
N.Ireland 2 1 0 1 2 1 1 3
Slovakia 2 1 0 1 3 3 0 3
Iceland 1 0 1 0 1 1 0 1
Romania 2 0 1 1 2 3 -1 1
Czech 2 0 1 0 2 3 -1 1
Sweden 2 0 1 1 1 2 -1 1


As it stands, Irelands group is bottom

If Ireland drew with Belgium, we would move up over Romania, no?

citytillidie

Mahony0509 wrote: »

If Ireland drew with Belgium, we would move up over Romania, no?

Ireland are 2nd in the group as it stands

onlyme!

mansize wrote: »

One imagines Croatia will be severely dealt with. They really need to beef up
Security. I had 3 checks when I to Stade du France in Feb

Did you go back for more

mansize

onlyme! wrote: »

Did you go back for more

No 3 separate areas. I arrived early and brought nothing with me so v straightforward

Vincent Vega

RedemptionZ wrote: »

Your friend knows much more than me being that he's Croatian, but what's the motives behind wanting your country kicked out?

Ah, i doubt he has any insider info, probably just venting.
He feels it might have something to do with coastal supporters (maybe Torcida Split) disliking Davor Šuker, and also Dynamo Zagreb's director Zdravko Mamić's influence in the national team selection.

From that wiki:

Torcida member often use flares, smoke flares and other pyrotechnics to heat up the atmosphere on the stadium.

Checks out

dfx-

RoboKlopp wrote: »

The flare incident is the more serious I'd imagine, not the fighting

the flares on the pitch were clearly a co-ordinated protest. A few pictures show a banner of some sort too.

What might be a problem is the firecracker and what happened when someone went to pick it up with players and the referee nearby.

Mantis Toboggan

**** cost me a fortune

Grandeeod

Tyson Fury wrote: »

**** cost me a fortune

Same here. I won't eat next week.:D

Harry Palmr

Slaven Bilic on ITV giving the background to this - basically an internal power struggle between Zagreb and Split supporters.

Jelle1880

Done on purpose by a section of the Croatian fans, in order to get the team punished or kicked out, to hurt their FA who they see as immensely corrupt (probably true).

Won't do a thing though, the FA will only get stronger, more punishments for fans, more security,...

citytillidie

https://twitter.com/HooligansTVi/status/743869496008519680

SantryRed

The lack of police presence is absolutely astounding.

Harry Palmr

What about a basic bag search?!

adox

What the **** are the police exactly doing? Riot police standing watching on as a Croatian player pleads with them to go up and intervene.

The organisation and security at this tournament has been shocking.

RedemptionZ

Also on the security, most of these fans that cause look like the kind of people you don't want to run into in a dark alley. And that goes for every country. If you see a group of them entering, surely they should get a bit more attention

Beersmith

Word is one of the security members knew and let them in with flares.

Its hardly surprising drugs are smuggled into ireland and every country everyday without a problem, a few flares are easy

Beersmith

adox wrote: »

What the **** are the police exactly doing? Riot police standing watching on as a Croatian player pleads with them to go up and intervene.

The organisation and security at this tournament has been shocking.

Probably not a good idea, 100 police surrounded by 10,000 fans.

Vincent Vega

https://twitter.com/fralonelrainger/status/743726996547461121

A Dub in Glasgo

This Ultra culture is a joke

You got to seriously question the competence of the French FA for allowing this kind of stuff into the stadium

Vincent Vega

Paging all YBIG in France. For your sound deed of the day, help escort one of these men to the nearest Saint-Etienne police station for questioning.

Apparently, these are statuses from people identified as members of the ultra made in the lead up and during the game, making reference to locations of flares and things like that.

Will be interesting to see if anything should come of it!

AdolfEngland

“Maybe it would be best if we don’t play at all,” said Ivan Perisic, who scored the opening goal for Croatia. “Maybe that would actually be better in case these things are going to happen every time we play.”

Reading more into it you'd have to feel sorry for the Croatian team. The FA's in every country have to work harder to stop these guys from travelling. Anybody involved in football violence should have their passports revoked permanently.

Triboro

AdolfEngland wrote: »

“Maybe it would be best if we don’t play at all,” said Ivan Perisic, who scored the opening goal for Croatia. “Maybe that would actually be better in case these things are going to happen every time we play.”

Reading more into it you'd have to feel sorry for the Croatian team. The FA's in every country have to work harder to stop these guys from travelling. Anybody involved in football violence should have their passports revoked permanently.

Agree, not fair on the players and the majority of fans that Croatia could possibly be banned because of these thugs.

Dempsey

adox wrote: »

What the **** are the police exactly doing? Riot police standing watching on as a Croatian player pleads with them to go up and intervene.

The organisation and security at this tournament has been shocking.

Riot police will wait for orders from their commanding officer, not a footballer

Paz-CCFC

AdolfEngland wrote: »

The FA's in every country have to work harder to stop these guys from travelling. Anybody involved in football violence should have their passports revoked permanently.

That's an absolutely ridiculous suggestion. One single offence and you never get to leave the country again? There's no automatic permanent suspension of travel imposed on those who have served time for far more serious offences such as rape and homicide. But commit one offence related to football - which can be something as minor as going onto the pitch during a celebration, for which the penalty is only a fine (no jail time) - and you can never get a passport again?

I'm all for tackling crowd disorder. But c'mon, a bit of perspective here. Let the punishment fit the crime. And don't be treating football fans differently - if it's violence, it's violence. Whether it's on the street on a normal night out or violence sparked by a hostile protest or near a football stadium. If it's the same crime that causes the same damage, give the people the same punishment.

Thankfully, such nonsense draconian suggestions are likely unconstitutional in a lot of countries and against EU law, so they'll never see the light of day.