2016-17 UEFA Champions League

deadybai

Thumbs up if you turned off after the Cavani goal and are only finding the result out now

StringerBell

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Sorry Stringer I think otherwise
It even took a deceiving swerve as it dipped the wall
Il post it for discussion once it's on twitter

Ah there not much need, I've watched it about 9 times at this point and I wouldn't be moved from my view that you would expect more from your keeper there.

I think you said he hadn't a hope of saving it? I will absolutely never agree with that so we can just agree to disagree on it and save time

Gbear

ERG89 wrote: »

Surprised people aren't blaming Emery there is the guy who made the most mistakes tonight

In the end of the day, PSG still had plenty of times when they got the ball into the Barca half with acres of space to run into, with equal or greater numbers of attackers to defenders and the players themselves absolutely bottled the **** out of it.

They could easily afford to sit back, let Barcelona play in midfield.

Barca were there for the taking. I think the players just choked.

There weren't any tactics necessary. Wait until Barcelona inevitably have just Mascherano defending at the halfway line, because the full backs are on the wing, as is Pique and Busquets has the turn of speed of a lettuce, and then make the simple pass to Draxler or Cavani for the 1v1 with the keeper.
They just couldn't even do that.

BorneTobyWilde

titan18 wrote: »

https://u.nya.is/zuityl.mp4

Suarez deserves to be banned for that reaction tbh. It's actually disgusting

It was a good ball in, he got goal side and was in, this coupled with fact he went down made ref give it.
Ref would consider this in his decision, that he was goal side and looked in.
Suarez was clever and you need to be.

Comic Book Guy

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Sorry Stringer I think otherwise
It even took a deceiving swerve as it dipped the wall
Il post it for discussion once it's on twitter

I'm not doubting the strike itself but Trapp moves to his right as it comes over the wall and then for some reason stalls instead of diving for it.

StringerBell

Shout out to Pique also, Fellaini-esq in his role as CF

niallo27

RoryMac wrote: »

Didi hit the nail on the head there about video refs, no one agrees on the 1st penalty (I thought it was a pen for what it's worth) so what happens when you have video refs being inconsistent for these type of instances?

They do like they do in other sports and let it down to a professional to make the call. If he not 100 percent then don't give it. Rugby officials still make mistakes but only a tiny fraction of what they used to make before video technology.

Andersonisgod

The Talking Bread wrote: »

I think he was watching Pep draw at home to Stoke. Torn loyalties and all by the Chelsea fan!!

Legitimately your post here is how I found out City drew, on the plus side though Tuchel's Dortmund were apparently excellent tonight. However, nothing takes higher billing that Barcelona for me.

corny

GavRedKing wrote: »

Looking at Barca tonight though, any compotent side would have seen that game out at 3-1. The fear of the front 3 will always be there but PSG were Sunday league bad.

Cant fault Barcas effort, they wanted it more and took their chances when they came.

Di maria and cavani both missed chances one on one, both can look bad and say what if.

It was still one of the greatest games for drama ive ever seen in my life. When the penalty went you could feel the crowd sucking the ball into the net.

Im not sure who fouled Ter Stegen late but it setup the free kick for the winner, that was criminal foul to give away as PSG were out of the box with a highish line.

Any competent side wouldn't have conceded at all. Barca really didn't create anything of note. They pounced on the stupid individual mistakes and credit to them for that BTW. But a decent defensive team (Juventus) would probably have held them scoreless this evening such was the standard of their play.

votecounts

deadybai wrote: »

Thumbs up if you turned off after the Cavani goal and are only finding the result out now

did this

GavRedKing

GavRedKing wrote: »

Barca will need some serious luck to go through tonight.

If theyre 2-0 at HT they might give themselves a glimmer but leaving one in and they will, and its game over.

They were 2-0 at HT and all and looking good but christ I never thought id qoute this saying I was wrong.

Andersonisgod

Ok I'm gonna go and chill out, gotta try to work myself out of this frenzy and into a slumber. I'll just say that tonight a squad of players and their coach made themselves legends, they became Barcelona legends, and they became football legends. This football club is just something else, Visca el Barca!!!

Burial.

Mental

mickmackey1

Three moments of sheer ability decided it, 2 from Neymar and a delicious ball from Messi for the pen. Tactics etc can be irrelevant against that level of quality.

MisterAnarchy

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Ok I'm gonna go and chill out, gotta try to work myself out of this frenzy and into a slumber. I'll just say that tonight a squad of players and their coach made themselves legends, they became Barcelona legends, and they became football legends. This football club is just something else, Visca el Barca!!!

So is it still time for Revolution?











Sorry, I couldn't resist

monkey9

Decuc500 wrote: »

This idea of 'clever' play to win penalties by diving is what's ruining football for me. First penalty was dodgy, second was a joke. All adds to the theatre of modern football I suppose.

Both penalties were penalties. And maybe start YouTubing football games to understand that players have always looked for fouls.

Jelle1880

StringerBell wrote: »

Ah come on Mick, it was a good free kick, but it was hardly stuck in the top corner, Trapp was in position to save it then he just stopped and did nothing, it looked like he thought it was going wide.

That's exactly where it went.

https://my.mixtape.moe/kymysn.mp4
https://streamable.com/jg5l9

That said, even if he thinks that's going wide Trapp should go for it.

GavRedKing

That result is like playing football manager. Youve a healthy lead frm the first leg so you decide to play a bit more refined and youre helpless to stop what seems like the computer glitching a result against ya.

Id feel sorry for PSG but their performance was abysmal at the back tonight. No leaders or fight. Any half decent backline can see out a 3 goal lead with 10mins to play.

Conas

I noticed that there was originally 3 minutes added time, then it was changed to 5, anyone know why that was?

GavRedKing

Conas wrote: »

I noticed that there was originally 3 minutes added time, then it was changed to 5, anyone know why that was?

I dont think anybody was watching it. The clock said +5 in the corner but RTe said they didnt know and assumed they had seen a 3.

Whats more annoying is when Barca scored it took 60secs to clear the pitch and he added on about 15secs but the damage was well done by then.

Andersonisgod

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

So is it still time for Revolution?











Sorry, I couldn't resist

Haha no it's ok. The Luis Enrique thing is tough and it's very layered and I don't want to get into it too much tonight. I think, even despite this result, his reign has reached its natural conclusion this season. If I'm being honest, I don't think this result happens tonight if he didn't let it be known to players and fans that he was leaving, I think that's had a huge psychological effect on both parties. Am I Enrique's biggest fan? It's fairly clear I'm not, I really want to see the club go back to the Cruyff/Guardiola style of football that has become its DNA. On the other hand, Luis Enrique is one of the best coaches in Barcelona history, his 3 at the back and Rafinha from the right absolutely worked tonight, as did much of the attack going through Neymar rather than Messi. When he ran onto the pitch in tears and celebrated and huddled with the players I couldn't help myself but to applaud a man who has brought great success to Barcelona. He deserves this, he deserves the warm farewell I'm sure he will receive.

GavRedKing

GavRedKing wrote: »

I dont think anybody was watching it. The clock said +5 in the corner but RTe said they didnt know and assumed they had seen a 3.

Whats more annoying is when Barca scored it took 60secs to clear the pitch and he added on about 15secs but the damage was well done by then.

It said 3 on the screen for a while.

BorneTobyWilde

After PSG score there was a moment in the game when Barca looked poor, they looked out of it and played that way for a period of time.

Arghus

Turned the game off at 85 minutes...

marklazarcovic

Very clever giving Neymar the 2nd pen for me, totally messes with the keepers focus,even for 30 seconds.

GavRedKing

marklazarcovic wrote: »

Very clever giving Neymar the 2nd pen for me, totally messes with the keepers focus,even for 30 seconds.

Barca have shared penalties all season to varying degrees of luck. I think all the front 3 have missed a penalty this year.

Took balls of steel to score it, even if Trapp went to his right, again.

fullstop

Jan_de_Bakker wrote: »

Disgusting ..

Salty enough

Iused2likebusts

Neymar was the only barca player to play well in the away leg. Some magic moments from him tonight.

jmayo

Does anyone know how much the Qataris have poured into PSG ?

They have been there since 2011, spent an absolute fortune, have dominated the Ligue 1 and yet have not made it past a quarter final in CL.

Perhaps PSG might be interested in employing some new manager, perhaps someone based in London who is also quiet a specialist in dealing with gutless overpaid wonders. :rolleyes:

fullstop

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

Di Maria missing that chance turns out to be absolutely massive

It's even funnier that it was him that missed cause he was shushing the crowd when Cavani scored

marklazarcovic

"he put his head into my elbow"

"It's not my style to try hurt another player"

"I didn't see the incident"

That kinda bull is far more annoying than anything that went on in the game tonight

Just as fake, somehow tolerated.

Football won tonight,greatest comeback in champions league history,well done barca

The Talking Bread

Sergi Roberto's second goal in 4 years, I think!!! First of the season!!!

Mr.Micro

Not penalties IMO. Suarez such a diver and Neymar has caught the affliction as well. PSG used the wrong tactics letting Barca come on to them for the whole of the first half and the latter half in the second. 3 mins becomes 5.... Barca time. Ref was awful... And Barca benefited...

Ulysses Gaze

GavRedKing wrote: »

That result is like playing football manager. Youve a healthy lead frm the first leg so you decide to play a bit more refined and youre helpless to stop what seems like the computer glitching a result against ya.

Id feel sorry for PSG but their performance was abysmal at the back tonight. No leaders or fight. Any half decent backline can see out a 3 goal lead with 10mins to play.

Football Manager 2008. When the AI goes 424 with 10 minutes left in the game.

I feel your pain!

iroced

What an absolute shocker from PSG :rolleyes:! Hard to believe it! The worst thing is that Barça tonight wasn't that great. Messi was far from his best, Suarez inconsistent and much too nervous after PSG goal. Actually after PSG goal Barça players with the sole exception of Neymar did not look like believing in the remuntada anymore.

Only PSG player to save is Cavani. Pressing alone in the first half. Scoring the qualification goal. He missed a 1 on 1 but Ter Stegen played it very well. Should have scored the second if Di Maria was more clear-headed.

Despite the irrationality of the evening, questions will need to be asked to most of their players. To Emery. And to the PSG heads.

The mental approach to this game was clearly wrong. PSG gave 2 joke goals in the first half at the worst times (early on and right before HT). Then they gave away 2 silly penos and a free kick in a very dangerous positions. Such naivety. Emery coaching wasn't good too. Crazy that Pastore did not come in, he could have kept the ball, calmed things down in midfield. It would also have been a sign to Barça "we are not afraid, we will play our game". Instead, he put a def for an attacker and a defensive mid to close the shop.

jmayo wrote: »

Does anyone know how much the Qataris have poured into PSG ?

They have been there since 2011, spent an absolute fortune, have dominated the Ligue 1 and yet have not made it past a quarter final in CL.

Perhaps PSG might be interested in employing some new manager, perhaps someone based in London who is also quiet a specialist in dealing with gutless overpaid wonders. :rolleyes:

The money they spent is irrelevant tonight. Chelsea waited for 10+ years before lifting the big ears Cup. City are doing even worse than PSG (so far). Barça, Bayern, Real... spare no expense for years.

No. PSG problem is to better define their sport project. And at the very first they should look at PSG own history (5 consecutive European semis in the 90ies, 2 finals, 1 Cup and many memorable wins). Instead they think they created "it". When Zlatan said PSG was nothing before his arrival, not only they said nothing but they laughed (in England, these things just could not happen, there is so much more respect for History). When he left they almost made him a statue :rolleyes:... He's "nothing". His stats are meaningless. You have to take into account the context, the opposition, the team he's playing in, etc... Qataris PSG heads think football is like football manager. That is their problem.

Decuc500

monkey9 wrote: »

Both penalties were penalties. And maybe start YouTubing football games to understand that players have always looked for fouls.

I've been watching football long enough not to need to look up you tube clips to inform me about anything! The theatrics in football now is way more pronounced than in the past though.

A player grasping his neck after minimal contact in the back would have been unusual 20 years ago. Now unfortunately it's the norm. The game has changed. The silly money has seen to that.

Brady said the second penalty was a correct decision. On reflection maybe I'll bow down to his opinion on this one.

jamescd

Pretty harsh to be blaming it on Emery imo. The players just absolutely **** the bed. 1st goal; so many players there but none of them clear it, then keeper comes rushing out and misses the ball. 2nd goal; Marquinhos could have easily headed it out for a corner, but he doesn't and he lets Iniesta get around the side of him. Then of course the mistakes for the 2 penalties. Keeper also could have done better on the Neymar free kick.

It's not like Barcelona ripped them apart and created chance after chance. In fact, apart from the goals, I can't really remember another chance Barcelona created. It was actually PSG who created the better chances and they should have been more clinical. It was more the players making far too many mistakes, rather than the coach getting it tactically wrong.

iroced

jamescd wrote: »

Pretty harsh to be blaming it on Emery imo. The players just absolutely **** the bed. 1st goal; so many players there but none of them clear it, then keeper comes rushing out and misses the ball. 2nd goal; Marquinhos could have easily headed it out for a corner, but he doesn't and he lets Iniesta get around the side of him. Then of course the mistakes for the 2 penalties. Keeper also could have done better on the Neymar free kick.

It's not like Barcelona ripped them apart and created chance after chance. In fact, apart from the goals, I can't really remember another chance Barcelona created. It was actually PSG who created the better chances and they should have been more clinical. It was more the players making far too many mistakes, rather than the coach getting it tactically wrong.

This is all very true. But Emery himself mentioned before the game that this kind of games are won from their mental approach. And he clearly failed regarding that. Now it's a total collapse of the players I agree.

But I hope they will let him the time if he wants to stay (he could decide to resign after such a defeat).

GavRedKing

Emery is around long enough to know that as soon as Neymar scored they should have shut the game down. They still had a 2 goal lead. That was the time to make his last sub. Kill the game and send on a sub with cleat instructions to Silva, who should have marshalled that defence much better for the last 10mins.

PSG had chances but theres no way in hell should you throw away 6 goals on the night to lose any game, especially in normal time. I cant see a defensively sound side with a cutting edge fearing Barca though.

764dak

So Lewandowski was offside before getting a penalty yesterday. And now the refs gifted Barcelona two penalties.

This is the pinnacle of soccer, eh? Rubbish refs and blowout wins.

Conas

jmayo wrote: »

Perhaps PSG might be interested in employing some new manager, perhaps someone based in London who is also quiet a specialist in dealing with gutless overpaid wonders. :rolleyes:

Changing the manager will solve nothing. The PSG players suffered a meltdown, and were shockingly bad. It's the same with Arsenal, getting rid of Wenger will solve nothing either.

What teams like PSG and Arsenal need is a Roy Keane type figure to lead them on the pitch, most of the players playing with Arsenal and PSG need a good kick up the a*se.

vetinari

in slight defence of PSG, the second dodgy penalty was the key moment in the game.
At 3 -1, Barcelona needed 3 goals to go through.
I think anyone would take PSG's position with 5 minutes of normal time to go.

Neymar's free kick goal wasn't too shocking. I think most people would have expected Barcelona to get back one goal.
The awarding of a penalty about one minute later is critical though.
If PSG even held out until 90 minutes without conceding the fifth goal, it becomes borderline impossible for Barcelona to come back.

PSG fell into panic mode after that. But even still, if it was 3 minutes of injury time, they would have held out.
Still a really bad collapse but not as shocking you'd think it is.

Those 2 refereeing decisions or getting a penalty for the Di Maria challenge swing the game

dfx-

GavRedKing wrote: »

Emery is around long enough to know that as soon as Neymar scored they should have shut the game down. They still had a 2 goal lead. That was the time to make his last sub. Kill the game and send on a sub with cleat instructions to Silva, who should have marshalled that defence much better for the last 10mins.

PSG had chances but theres no way in hell should you throw away 6 goals on the night to lose any game, especially in normal time. I cant see a defensively sound side with a cutting edge fearing Barca though.

Supposedly they only had five completed passes between 3-1 and 6-1 and most of those were kickoffs...

That's immediately up there with the 5-0 Madrid game and 2-6 Madrid game as wins go, just behind the 1-1 last minute win at Chelsea which remains my favourite ever Barca goal/win....

764dak

Mascherano admitted to fouling Di Maria in the box during the 85th minute:
http://www.espn.com.co/video/clip/_/id/3017501

Arghus

I will admit that I was happy enough with the thought of PSG going through, but what a result and an amazing game of football.

Watching over that final ten minutes again. That moment when Neymar cuts inside the opposing player and dinks the ball into the box when surely everyone was thinking just boot, is just one of the coolest examples of decision making under pressure that I've ever seen. That was greatness.

murpho999

The Talking Bread wrote: »

this patronising cr$p doesn't make your argument any stronger!!

The game was unbelievable, I thoroughly enjoyed it, was fantastic but people are entitled to debate pivotal moments like this in between the "WOW"s and the "WHAT A GAME" comments!

There is only1 or 2 people here disappointed PSG went out, even those who disputed the decision were happy to see that 7 minutes at the end unfold as PSG were a cowardly, unprofessional eeg1ts as much as Barca were a thrilling, proud and truly courageous ensemble but games and decisions are there to be analysed also.

The "I wish people were more like me and enjoyed matches more and ignored decisions" cr@p is ridiculous and patronising.

Of course you can debate decisions but to just focus on 2 incidents and declare that they ruined the game whilst ignoring the enormity or what happened in the match is just very cynical in my opinion.

I just wish people would sometimes not do that and appreciate that the way Barcelona approached the game tonight was always going to lead to the possibilities of penalties.

Either way, we just witnessed one of the greatest comebacks in the history of sport and that should be enjoyed as a whole rather than just sourly focus on minute decisions all the time.

dfx-

To say the game was settled by the Suarez penalty is nonsense. To fail to defend a four goal lead + an away goal beyond a penalty in the 90th minute is ridiculous.

PSG lost it long before that, the pivotal moments were before that..

Optimalprimerib

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Not penalties IMO. Suarez such a diver and Neymar has caught the affliction as well. PSG used the wrong tactics letting Barca come on to them for the whole of the first half and the latter half in the second. 3 mins becomes 5.... Barca time. Ref was awful... And Barca benefited...

I don't think it was a fresh notch on neymars bow to be fair. It was a really good game and was by no means pretty. Relentless pressure won it for Barcelona that made PSG look bad.

I'd say 99% of the teams out there would have succumbed to that. All of the PL teams would have, including Chelsea.

I would love to have seen Suarez get a red for his dive though (the one he was booked for). He actively kicked out looking for flesh so he could claim contact.

Unearthly

I'm so pissed off i switched over to City game at 3-1 after 80+ minutes.

Well done Barca, struggling to think of better comebacks in the time frame they did it

Dirty Dingus McGee

764dak wrote: »

So Lewandowski was offside before getting a penalty yesterday. And now the refs gifted Barcelona two penalties.

This is the pinnacle of soccer, eh? Rubbish refs and blowout wins.

Would you prefer the better teams didn't try so hard.

What exactly is the pinnacle of the sport if the best teams aren't?