2016-17 UEFA Champions League

Mushy · 11-03-2017 2:31pm

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

For all the flack that Barca have taken for supposedly cheating the other night I really hope that from now on every time we see a jersey pull, body check,trip,player being offside deciding to play on etc we hear a load of criticism of them for cheating.

Yeah every team has cheats and gets their share of good and bad decisions.

I think some people just have a shoulder chip about Barcelona or dont like them for whatever reason.

The Mes Que un Club ****ology is what grates me, as if they are some force of moral guidance against evil forces.

But yeah, nobody can claim this isn't what any other team does. Quality players with a great attitude, but the ref/officials were very weak also

11-03-2017 2:54pm

Mushy wrote: »

The Mes Que un Club ****ology is what grates me, as if they are some force of moral guidance against evil forces.

But yeah, nobody can claim this isn't what any other team does. Quality players with a great attitude, but the ref/officials were very weak also

Their motto? I wouldn't take it too literally.

Everton had a Latin motto that translated as Nothing but the best. I think they might have seen sense in recent years and ditched it.

Mushy · 11-03-2017 3:06pm

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Mushy wrote: »

The Mes Que un Club ****ology is what grates me, as if they are some force of moral guidance against evil forces.

But yeah, nobody can claim this isn't what any other team does. Quality players with a great attitude, but the ref/officials were very weak also

Their motto? I wouldn't take it too literally.

Everton had a Latin motto that translated as Nothing but the best. I think they might have seen sense in recent years and ditched it.

I find their fans use it as a sense of entitlement, normally a motto is just something that's written down and forgotten about.

Liamalone · 11-03-2017 3:20pm

Mushy wrote: »

I find their fans use it as a sense of entitlement, normally a motto is just something that's written down and forgotten about.

Haha some craic, sure it was part of the club crest up until a few years ago and still is the club motto. I think you'll also find that quite a few other clubs have a motto still but sure don't let the truth factor into the matter

Mushy · 11-03-2017 3:24pm

Liamalone wrote: »

Mushy wrote: »

I find their fans use it as a sense of entitlement, normally a motto is just something that's written down and forgotten about.

Haha some craic, sure it was part of the club crest up until a few years ago and still is the club motto. I think you'll also find that quite a few other clubs have a motto still but sure don't let the truth factor into the matter

Oh I know clubs will have a motto, I think you missed the point of what I posted though

Liamalone · 11-03-2017 3:45pm

Mushy wrote: »

Oh I know clubs will have a motto, I think you missed the point of what I posted though

Negative, I realised you found something but I ignored it tbh.

blinding · 11-03-2017 3:51pm

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

For all the flack that Barca have taken for supposedly cheating the other night I really hope that from now on every time we see a jersey pull, body check,trip,player being offside deciding to play on etc we hear a load of criticism of them for cheating.

Its time to move to technology to rule out this cheating where it is possible . If there is a natural stoppage i.e ref has blown for a free , questionable goal, ball gone out of play .

At least we will be getting the correct decisions with some minor disruption to the game .

Cheats benefiting cannot be good for the game long term . Think a bigger Picture than just this one game............

blinding · 11-03-2017 3:53pm

Liamalone wrote: »

Suarez does it all the time though, all the time, I wouldn't want to leave an aul bit of lego lying about the floor with him about.

Lego would actually kill Suarez and his death throws might kill any passers by............

Brendan Flowers · 11-03-2017 5:51pm

NIMAN wrote: »

100% right BF, and the point I always argue against football conspiracies.

If La Liga is rigged towards Real Madrid, why have they only won 1 of the last 8 league titles? Absolute nonsense and typical of football fans in general.

I think instead bad decisions we see just highlight varying degrees of consistency in referees. They are human after all, who make mistakes, some make more than others.

Exactly, and unsurprisingly none of those who have been crying about conspiracies against Barcelona in the past (especially Andersonisgod) have replied to the points I made. Either there're burying their heads in the sand when it suits them or know that by responding they'll be engaging in a debate that they know they can't win.

Albert_Camus · 11-03-2017 5:57pm

Mushy wrote: »

Oh I know clubs will have a motto, I think you missed the point of what I posted though

I think the Barca one is more related to the being Catalan, the culture that goes with etc.

Mushy · 11-03-2017 6:22pm

Albert_Camus wrote: »

Mushy wrote: »

Oh I know clubs will have a motto, I think you missed the point of what I posted though

I think the Barca one is more related to the being Catalan, the culture that goes with etc.

It is, but they ain't more than a club in 2017

Andersonisgod · 11-03-2017 6:49pm

Mushy wrote: »

It is, but they ain't more than a club in 2017

Ye...but they kind of are though....

The motto rightly reflects the club's place and importance in Catalan culture and aspirations.

HalloweenJack · 11-03-2017 7:01pm

Yet they've said they would play in La Liga if Catalunya becomes independent. Money's more important to them than politics.

Albert_Camus · 11-03-2017 7:08pm

HalloweenJack wrote: »

Money's more important to them than politics.

As in they'd taken a certain amount of cash instead of Independence?

HalloweenJack · 11-03-2017 7:10pm

They'd rather play in the league of their oppressor, where there's a conspiracy against them, then play in a Catalan league if Catalunya became independent. Why else would they do that?

Albert_Camus · 11-03-2017 7:12pm

HalloweenJack wrote: »

They'd rather play in the league of their oppressor, where there's a conspiracy against them, then play in a Catalan league if Catalunya became independent. Why else would they do that?

Oh I get ya. I'd have thought they were separate things, like you could have a country with Independence who play in competitions outside of their country. Seems fine to me.

Albert_Camus · 11-03-2017 7:14pm

I could be a million miles off now. But if the premier league said hey Ireland we will let your clubs compete in the our league. Say just one of your team's a year.. we'd be all over that.

Andersonisgod · 11-03-2017 7:14pm

HalloweenJack wrote: »

They'd rather play in the league of their oppressor, where there's a conspiracy against them, then play in a Catalan league if Catalunya became independent. Why else would they do that?

Because they've played in La Liga pretty much since the league's creation and are one of the most successful clubs in that league. Because there's no guarantee of a Catalan league. Because football leagues certainly don't define international loyalties given how flexible they are. I hope that's enough.

HalloweenJack · 11-03-2017 7:24pm

Catalunya has about eight million people. It's enough to sustain a league. Every country that becomes independent forms their own league. Its not complicated at all.

Why would a club that pushes for independence and complains of mistreatment purely because of that fact continue being part of the league of their oppressors? Why would a club that prides itself on being Catalan reject the chance to lead the way in a Catalan league amd continue to play with the country they fought to separate from?

Albert_Camus · 11-03-2017 7:26pm

HalloweenJack wrote: »

Catalunya has about eight million people. It's enough to sustain a league. Every country that becomes independent forms their own league. Its not complicated at all.

Why would a club that pushes for independence and complains of mistreatment purely because of that fact continue being part of the league of their oppressors? Why would a club that prides itself on being Catalan reject the chance to lead the way in a Catalan league amd continue to play with the country they fought to separate from?

To play at the top level in that region. Sure maybe they won't be allowed in anyway, why would a league let a team in etc. So it'll be grand.

I doubt many teams turn down the opportunity to play in top level leagues though. Maybe they do?

Mushy · 11-03-2017 7:29pm

Albert_Camus wrote: »

HalloweenJack wrote: »

Catalunya has about eight million people. It's enough to sustain a league. Every country that becomes independent forms their own league. Its not complicated at all.

Why would a club that pushes for independence and complains of mistreatment purely because of that fact continue being part of the league of their oppressors? Why would a club that prides itself on being Catalan reject the chance to lead the way in a Catalan league amd continue to play with the country they fought to separate from?

To play at the top level in that region. Sure maybe they won't be allowed in anyway, why would a league let a team in etc. So it'll be grand.

I doubt many teams turn down the opportunity to play in top level leagues though. Maybe they do?

But with that top league comes big money, that's where a large irony sets in towards the motto.

HalloweenJack · 11-03-2017 7:29pm

That's what the CL is for.

Albert_Camus · 11-03-2017 7:32pm

Mushy wrote: »

But with that top league comes big money, that's where a large irony sets in towards the motto.

I think we're discussing different things. I'll bow out.

Andersonisgod · 11-03-2017 7:37pm

Mushy wrote: »

But with that top league comes big money, that's where a large irony sets in towards the motto.

Ultimately I think the issue is that you don't understand the origin of the motto or the history that it represents. There's so many books that discuss the topic and the part of FC Barcelona in the time of Franco that might answer your fixation with the motto.

In terms of a league it's firstly a bit silly anyway to speak about a football league that doesn't yet exist in a countrt that has not yet gained independence. Discounting Barcelona's historical and present day contribution to La Liga is also far too aloof and will obviously be given serious weight. That's not mentioning things like finances or remaining competitive at the highest level of Europe. If we are discussing leagues that don't yet exist I'm personally looking forward to the European super league that'll eventually come into existence.

Mushy · 11-03-2017 7:45pm

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Mushy wrote: »

But with that top league comes big money, that's where a large irony sets in towards the motto.

Ultimately I think the issue is that you don't understand the origin of the motto or the history that it represents. There's so many books that discuss the topic and the part of FC Barcelona in the time of Franco that might answer your fixation with the motto.

In terms of a league it's firstly a bit silly anyway to speak about a football league that doesn't yet exist in a countrt that has not yet gained independence. Discounting Barcelona's historical and present day contribution to La Liga is also far too aloof and will obviously be given serious weight. That's not mentioning things like finances or remaining competitive at the highest level of Europe. If we are discussing leagues that don't yet exist I'm personally looking forward to the European super league that'll eventually come into existence.

No I've acknowledged the motto is fine, just not in 2017.

It's well off topic by now, we'll be going round in circles on this all day in no agreement. Players like Messi suarez and neymar are best seen on the big stage PSG didn't deserve to go through on the performance the last night. It also doesn't mean Barcelona are infallible though.

Andersonisgod · 11-03-2017 7:49pm

Mushy wrote: »

No I've acknowledged the motto is fine, just not in 2017.

It's well off topic by now, we'll be going round in circles on this all day in no agreement. Players like Messi suarez and neymar are best seen on the big stage PSG didn't deserve to go through on the performance the last night. It also doesn't mean Barcelona are infallible though.

I absolutely dont think Barcelona are infallible, I'm sure I never claimed that and will be tested massively in this competition and in the league. Though I agree about the circles and the off topic nature of it so I'm bowing out too.

The Talking Bread · 11-03-2017 7:49pm

European "Super League"...........the thoughts of it make me SICK

citytillidie · 13-03-2017 4:05pm

Tuesday 14th March
Juventus (ITA) V Porto (POR) (Agg 2-0)
Leicester City (ENG) V Sevilla (ESP) (Agg 1-2)

Wednesday 15th March
Atlético Madrid (ESP) V Bayer Leverkusen (GER) (Agg 4-2)
Monaco (FRA) V Manchester City (ENG) (Agg 3-5)

GreNoLi · 14-03-2017 8:15pm

Juventus and leicester to prevail hopefully.

Andersonisgod · 14-03-2017 8:22pm

So much positivity about Leicester's potential to go through tonight that I'm not really understanding. Sevilla 3-1 on the night.

GreNoLi · 14-03-2017 8:25pm

Leicester to go through without a shadow of a doubt, no bout a doubt it.

RayCon · 14-03-2017 8:25pm

Sevilla to go through.

MD1990 · 14-03-2017 8:26pm

https://twitter.com/beINSPORTS/status/841731822119735296

Poor from Vardy

764dak · 14-03-2017 8:29pm

Pep Guardiola made a mistake. He should have lent Nasri to a Premier League team and then he would help take points off rivals. He would be funny if City meet Sevilla and Nasri has MVP-like performances.

The Talking Bread · 14-03-2017 8:32pm

MD1990 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/beINSPORTS/status/841731822119735296

Poor from Vardy

why??? Vardy was one of the harder working players this season for Leicester. It just wasn't working for him. The media are drip feeding a lot of nonsense and people have well and truly bought into it.