Euro 2016 - Group E - Belgium vs Ireland, 2 pm, RTE & ITV

The Talking Bread

The Talking Bread wrote: »

shut t f up. kilkenny hurling team, rugby team, ruby walsh, cork womens team.

the man is a broken incoherent record.

+1
A ranter and raver of the highest order and very very classless individual

Mec27

Yeah they are talking nonsense, we were **** but we were **** because we aren't as good, Witsel is more athletic, more dyanmic and better than mccarthy it has nothing to do with concentration and nothing they do in abbotstown is going to change it.

Green Fella

edgecutter wrote: »

The FAI are not investing the resources they have properly. The winners of the league only get 100,000, yet that leech Delaney gives himself 350,000 a year. That is just plain and simply wrong. It shows a lack of care to try and build a team.

How can our teams in our own domestic league move forward?

I agree, but I think some of the clubs need to stop spending more than they have as well. They are many problems with Athlone like Monaghan before them

AdolfEngIand

Green Fella wrote: »

We just got battered in appalling display of negative football, and you come on expecting back slapping and positivity ?Give your head a shake ffs

This mindless positivity is mind boggling from some. Its a shame the team and management couldnt play with the same positivity instead of lieing down and embarrassing ourselves in front of Europe once again

Alright, pal.

derm0j073

Ally Dick wrote: »

Help an old lady across the road, mend a puncture, buy a Belgian a Stella Artois, and then kiss an Italian on both cheeks and wish them all the best for Wednesday ?

Its nice to be nice

super_furry

Green Fella wrote: »

I agree, but I think some of the clubs need to stop spending more than they have as well. They are many problems with Athlone like Monaghan before them

If the clubs stop spending more than they have that the league no longer exists. The clubs have no support from the FAI and it costs them money to actually enter the league with only the top two teams making anything from 'prize money', which is a fraction of what Delaney pays himself.

Mec27

super_furry wrote: »

This is it now. This is our nation's footballing future and getting to the Group stages of tournaments and getting hammered by good teams is all we can hope for. We saw it four years ago and we're seeing it now.

When you rely on other countries to develop your footballers and have a football association which abdicates all responsibility for creating and developing players this is what you get. When the FAI washes their hand of grassroots football and the domestic league, this is what we get. So we better get used to it.

In a nutshell.

edgecutter

Green Fella wrote: »

I agree, but I think some of the clubs need to stop spending more than they have as well. They are many problems with Athlone like Monaghan before them

Clubs will run into difficulty and what has happened at the two clubs mention was poor management. Yet, the FAI has to focus on improving he league here. Extra winnings for all he clubs could mean building up the youth teams, sending young coaches out to get their UEFA badges and improving their fortunes in Europe.

Mec27

Mec27 wrote: »

Yeah they are talking nonsense, we were **** but we were **** because we aren't as good, Witsel is more athletic, more dyanmic and better than mccarthy it has nothing to do with concentration and nothing they do in abbotstown is going to change it.

To produce a better standard of player in this country, junior soccer needs to be demilitarized and reformed. Get rid of the Mourinho wannabes with their barking orders and get people who will nurture love of the game from early on. Football is an art and children need to be given a canvas. Dominic Foley said it correctly when he pointed out that there could be 30 kids to 1 football with his local club.

Mec27

Deleted User wrote: »

To produce a better standard of player in this country, junior soccer needs to be demilitarized and reformed. Get rid of the Mourinho wannabes with their barking orders and get people who will nurture love of the game from early on. Football is an art and children need to be given a canvas. Dominic Foley said it correctly when he pointed out that there could be 30 kids to 1 football with his local club.

That was a good article from him.

edgecutter

Deleted User wrote: »

To produce a better standard of player in this country, junior soccer needs to be demilitarized and reformed. Get rid of the Mourinho wannabes with their barking orders and get people who will nurture love of the game from early on. Football is an art and children need to be given a canvas. Dominic Foley said it correctly when he pointed out that there could be 30 kids to 1 football with his local club.

That is sad to hear. GAA and IRFU are better run then the FAI

happyoutscan

super_furry wrote: »

This is it now. This is our nation's footballing future and getting to the Group stages of tournaments and getting hammered by good teams is all we can hope for. We saw it four years ago and we're seeing it now.

When you rely on other countries to develop your footballers and have a football association which abdicates all responsibility for creating and developing players this is what you get. When the FAI washes their hand of grassroots football and the domestic league, this is what we get. So we better get used to it.

One of the best posts I've ever read and sums everything up perfectly imo.

Green Fella

Quotes from O Shea post match

“We know we’ve got a big chance against Italy,” the Sunderland defender told RTÉ after today’s 3-0 loss.

“It’ll be a difficult game as Italy have been fantastic in their first two games but we can take positives from the first half tonight."



Positives from the first half???? I dont see us with any chance against Italy, they are a different class to this ordinary Belgium side. I fear for us , another battering on the cards

namloc1980

The FAIs international player development revolves around a) hoping a few lads turn out to be good at English club academies and b) looking up the family tree of English players to see if they have an Irish granny. That's it. They've washed their hands of developing the game in this country. And so have the fans and media. Thousands of Irish people will be boarding flights from August to travel to see foreign teams in foreign leagues, most of them not making the connection with the appalling state of the national team.

ultrapercy

crushproof wrote: »

Sounds like a right good plan. Is this Italian a bit of a looker?
I'm a realist, as someone else mentioned, the Italian second team would be us. Maybe we can snatch a draw by being ultra defensive, but then the armchair fans would be giving out yards that we didn't attack attack attack. I'll admit I hate the hoofball tactics but our options are so limited that we really don't have much else.

This is exactly it. We have very very few quality players Belgium have 15 to 20 of them. In fact the only Irish player with nous and craft is Wes. The only way we can play is to concede position of the ball to the opposition try to be disiplined not let a goal in and hope for a lucky break at the other end. Once they scored and we needed to chase the game we were always going to be raped. Our midfielders are game but they have no ability to hold or pass the ball. Walters absence cannot be underestimated because he would have held up the ball and won frees but losing 1 player should not lead to a melt down.
The argument about the FAI and game development is separate FAI could do more domestically but the shadow of English prem league will always inhibit domestic development combined with the increasing draw of GAA and Rugby on limited sporting population.

Grandeeod

edgecutter wrote: »

Talking a load of rubbish. They haven't focused on the main issue, we don't have the players. Dunphy mentions Roy Keane and how great it would be to have him. There isn't any world class players or even great players coming out of this country anymore and we need to focus on why that is.

Firstly, it's not a shock result. It was expected. I just wanted to get that out of the way.

As for this country not producing any great players, I agree we need to focus on why, but.....

The answer is simple. The league we relied on for so so long is now littered with instant purchases that any hope of young Irish players being brought over at 16 and developed is gone. The EPL is now in a situation where it just buys results via massive spending rather than development. Any development left, belongs to the home grown English lads. The expansive nature of the game exposes little countries like Ireland as we have consistantly failed to re-evaluate the development of our football talent.

We relied on a league that morphed into a completely different beast 20 years ago.

Gael85

edgecutter wrote: »

The FAI needs to invest in getting coaches in this country UEFA qualified. Delaney needs to be removed or at least 90% of wages taken off him. Also the ludicrous money O'Neill is on could and should be spent elsewhere. I am not hitting out at O'Neill, but if you don't have the players you can't expect the manager to win games.

Delaney will probably give himself a pay rise. On ridiculous money when our league and youth structures are a shambles. He seem to be more interested finding English/Scottish players under the granny rule or poaching players from Northern Ireland than rather than examining the issues with our poor under age systems

PeterTheEighth

Really, what is the point in mentioning that Damien Delaney ?

Omackeral

redandwhite wrote: »

Don't let inadequacy on the pitch detract from Irish soccer's biggest positive-the fans.

Someone should set up a league in Ireland for these guys. Imagine all these soccer mad f*ckers had something like that to go to every week!

ThunbergsAreGo

Wes looked massively put of his depth today tbh

Green Fella

How come Northern Ireland can play positive attacking football against Ukraine and Micheal O'Neill makes 5 changes pre match, it shows the ambition they have with far less resources than us

We have the wrong O'Neill in charge

Morrison J

"We're Happy to Be Here"

That comment from the fan on RTE is one of our biggest problems and most don't even see it.

edgecutter

Gael85 wrote: »

Delaney will probably give himself a pay rise. On ridiculous money when our league and youth structures are a shambles. He seem to be more interested finding English/Scottish players under the granny rule or poaching players from Northern Ireland than rather than examining the issues with our poor under age systems

Your giving him too much credit. He is more interested in embarrassing himself, running after younger woman and drinking the head of himself. Hopefully the fans at the next international in Dublin sound out their anger against him.

Green Fella

PeterTheEighth wrote: »

Really, what is the point in mentioning that Damien Delaney ?

Whats the deal with Delaney anyway was it a fall out with Keane? I mean he is certainly a better player than Ciaran Clark

edgecutter

edgecutter wrote: »

That is sad to hear. GAA and IRFU are better run then the FAI

Philip Brown the irfu head is on 1/3 of what Delaney is on. Whatever you think of rugby as a sport, the guys who run it are on the ball. Last weekend emphasised the work that is being done on the ground with historic wins

edgecutter

Green Fella wrote: »

How come Northern Ireland can play positive attacking football against Ukraine and Micheal O'Neill makes 5 changes pre match, it shows the ambition they have with far less resources than us

We have the wrong O'Neill in charge

Ukraine are ****e. Northern Ireland were poor against Poland and they will lose convincingly against Germany. We need to stop the comparisons.

Morrison J

I seriously dread the day Roy Keane takes the job from MON. Will be an absolute circus that'll only end in disaster.

edgecutter

edgecutter wrote: »

Ukraine are ****e. Northern Ireland were poor against Poland and they will lose convincingly against Germany. We need to stop the comparisons.

I agree. Great win for NI but Ukraine are not near as good as Belgium

Hammer Archer

super_furry wrote: »

If the clubs stop spending more than they have that the league no longer exists. The clubs have no support from the FAI and it costs them money to actually enter the league with only the top two teams making anything from 'prize money', which is a fraction of what Delaney pays himself.

Bang on. Few seasons ago there wasn't even promotion of the first day of the LOI season on the FAI social media accounts. Delaney described the LOI as the "FAI's problem child" in an interview last year (missing the irony that a child generally becomes a problem due to bad parenting).
The FAI relied on English clubs doing the job of player development for decades. Ireland's best young players were shipped over to English clubs and it helped that there were very few foreigners in the top of English football meaning first team games were almost guaranteed for the best Irish players. The glut of top foreign players now means Irish players are relegated to bottom half PL clubs or championship clubs for the most part. And there doesn't seem to be any change in tactics to develop young players from the FAI.

Green Fella

Morrison J wrote: »

"We're Happy to Be Here"

That comment from the fan on RTE is one of our biggest problems and most don't even see it.

Spot on

We're to take part sums it all up .

Green Fella

edgecutter wrote: »

Ukraine are ****e. Northern Ireland were poor against Poland and they will lose convincingly against Germany. We need to stop the comparisons.

Well they will be in the next round. I think they have a chance vs Germany of a draw anyway, certainly more of a chance than us against Italy

I couldnt see us beating Ukraine like they did either

Irish_rat

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

the fields of athenry is a now a verbal white flag

Are you always this negative? We were poor against a world class team. This has nothing to do with the fans. Nearly everyone expected defeat today but the it was the manner of the performance which was the biggest dissapointment.

No excuses for missed tackles from pro footballers in key moments of the game

Irish_rat

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Philip Brown the irfu head is on 1/3 of what Delaney is on. Whatever you think of rugby as a sport, the guys who run it are on the ball. Last weekend emphasised the work that is being done on the ground with historic wins

Its looking good today so far at HT

The Talking Bread

Irish_rat wrote: »

Are you always this negative? We were poor playing against a world class team. This has nothing to do with the fans.

Ive seen his posts, the majority are very negative! Can't knock his consistency!!

super_furry

Irish_rat wrote: »

Are you always this negative? We were poor playing against a world class team. This has nothing to do with the fans.

I think the point is that the fans have to demand more and not just settle for a piss-up and a sing song. The fans need to put pressure on Delaney and the FAI to change things and improve things from the bottom up in this country.

Personally I think it's a bit of a forlorn hope because the majority of the people at the game today don't really care. They're on their summer holidays, they're out to enjoy themselves and good luck to them. They'll come back and go back to work, continue to support their Premiership teams from a distance and the Ireland jersey will go back into storage until we have a bit play-off game or one of the world's bigger teams comes to Dublin for a qualifier.

They won't be there to support our domestic game or to put pressure on and demand better from the FAI.

briany

PeterTheEighth wrote: »

That could be Robbie's last game. Well it's gotta be either this or the Italy game (if he gets on) surely?

I think Robbie would play for Ireland well into his 50s if the manager kept picking him.

Morrison J

Delaney is doing a truly terrible job and the day he leaves will be a massive step forward but..

There's no comparison to be made to how the IRFU are running things really. It's far easier to be competitive in a sport where there's 10 serious teams compared to a sport with 100 odd competitive teams.

The FAI need to sort their **** out and start getting the grassroots programme in order. It's a completely separate situation to the rugby though.

edgecutter

edgecutter wrote: »

Talking a load of rubbish. They haven't focused on the main issue, we don't have the players. Dunphy mentions Roy Keane and how great it would be to have him. There isn't any world class players or even great players coming out of this country anymore and we need to focus on why that is.

Brilliant post. Exactly, we haven't a Duff, a young Robbie, or a Roy.

Belgium and Germany done a root and branch review in the early noughties and changed their structures...
Even wales produced Bale and Ramsey.

To a certain degree or another all the British nations are failing to get the best from youngsters and not producing anything like they used to.

SlickRic

A lot of people thinking we were negative. I didn't see that tbh.

He went with Hendrick, Wes and Brady behind Long. Nothing negative coming from the management.

The players just didn't execute. Wes was shocking. As was Hendrick. We butchered at least 3 great attacking positions, probably more. We had as many opportunities as Italy the other night against Belgium, put it that way.

We just aren't good enough. Simple as.

Morrison J

Morrison J wrote: »

Delaney is doing a truly terrible job and the day he leaves will be a massive step forward but..

There's no comparison to be made to how the IRFU are running things really. It's far easier to be competitive in a sport where there's 10 serious teams compared to a sport with 100 odd competitive teams.

The FAI need to sort their **** out and start getting the grassroots programme in order. It's a completely separate situation to the rugby though.

Delaney is carrying the baton from a long list of utter chancers

Morrison J

SlickRic wrote: »

A lot of people thinking we were negative. I didn't see that tbh.

He went with Hendrick, Wes and Brady behind Long. Nothing negative coming from the management.

Brady spent most of the game protecting Ward, playing a central midfielder like Hendrick on the right when you've a proper winger on the bench like McClean is hardly positive and I've never seen Wes play so deep in my life. Complete waste of his talents.

We were terribly negative imo. Only one way that match was going after MON handed in the teamsheet.

briany

Ireland were definitely gun shy in the little attacking opportunity they did have, but Belgium gave Ireland little time on the ball either. Ireland just did not have the pace or skill to stretch Belgium's defence in any way and it looked easy enough for Belgium to find their defensive shape when Ireland came down their end. It was a very Trappish performance in many way with the clear intent that the team would try to nick something off of a set-piece and defend, defend, defend. The big mistake was not continuing with that first half ethic. The Belgians were limited to scraps in the first 45 minutes despite having the overwhelming majority of possession. It would have been nervy, but would have offered much more light at the end of the tunnel than the horror show that commenced when Ireland decided to actually have a go.

And as predicted, McClean was once again a liability today, giving the ball away that lead to the 3rd (?) goal.

ultrapercy

Morrison J wrote: »

Delaney is doing a truly terrible job and the day he leaves will be a massive step forward but..

There's no comparison to be made to how the IRFU are running things really. It's far easier to be competitive in a sport where there's 10 serious teams compared to a sport with 100 odd competitive teams.

The FAI need to sort their **** out and start getting the grassroots programme in order. It's a completely separate situation to the rugby though.

Yes and Ireland Rugby team won a friendly match, in their history they have never got past last 8 in world cup. That's some where between 5 and 10 in a 10 team sport. Irish Rugby is no better than Irish soccer it just creates a better illusion.

Mec27

SlickRic wrote: »

A lot of people thinking we were negative. I didn't see that tbh.

He went with Hendrick, Wes and Brady behind Long. Nothing negative coming from the management.

The players just didn't execute. Wes was shocking. As was Hendrick. We butchered at least 3 great attacking positions, probably more. We had as many opportunities as Italy the other night against Belgium, put it that way.

We just aren't good enough. Simple as.

Ireland are **** but not that ****, we played how ****ing San Marino would against a top team, not a team that has 11 players playing in two big European professional leagues.

Mec27

It is just annoying how much of a pushover we are, big teams must love coming up against us, they know we feel beaten before passing the white line.

Gael85

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Bang on. Few seasons ago there wasn't even promotion of the first day of the LOI season on the FAI social media accounts. Delaney described the LOI as the "FAI's problem child" in an interview last year (missing the irony that a child generally becomes a problem due to bad parenting).
The FAI relied on English clubs doing the job of player development for decades. Ireland's best young players were shipped over to English clubs and it helped that there were very few foreigners in the top of English football meaning first team games were almost guaranteed for the best Irish players. The glut of top foreign players now means Irish players are relegated to bottom half PL clubs or championship clubs for the most part. And there doesn't seem to be any change in tactics to develop young players from the FAI.

Delaney can say what he wants as not answerable to anyone. Roddy Collins spoke about a couple issues with league in his newspaper column and received 6 game ban from dugout and a fine

Morrison J

briany wrote: »

Ireland were definitely gun shy in the little attacking opportunity they did have, but Belgium gave Ireland little time on the ball either. Ireland just did not have the pace or skill to stretch Belgium's defence in any way and it looked easy enough for Belgium to find their defensive shape when Ireland came down their end. It was a very Trappish performance in many way with the clear intent that the team would try to nick something off of a set-piece and defend, defend, defend. The big mistake was not continuing with that first half ethic. The Belgians were limited to scraps in the first 45 minutes despite having the overwhelming majority of possession. It would have been nervy, but would have offered much more light at the end of the tunnel than the horror show that commenced when Ireland decided to actually have a go.

And as predicted, McClean was once again a liability today, giving the ball away that lead to the 3rd (?) goal.

You make McClean the one player to single out for criticism after that match?

citytillidie

This is how 3rd table is looking as of now with the score 0-0 in Iceland V Hungary

Team Pl W D L F A GD Pts
Northern Ireland 2 1 0 1 2 1 1 3
Slovakia 2 1 0 1 3 3 0 3
Iceland 2 0 2 0 1 1 0 2
Czech Republic 2 0 1 1 2 3 -1 1
Romania 2 0 1 1 2 3 -1 1
Sweden 2 0 1 1 1 2 -1 1

AllGunsBlazing

citytillidie wrote: »

This is how 3rd table is looking as of now with the score 0-0 in Iceland V Hungary

Team Pl W D L F A GD Pts
Northern Ireland 2 1 0 1 2 1 1 3
Slovakia 2 1 0 1 3 3 0 3
Iceland 2 0 2 0 1 1 0 2
Czech Republic 2 0 1 1 2 3 -1 1
Romania 2 0 1 1 2 3 -1 1
Sweden 2 0 1 1 1 2 -1 1

I don't think we need to worry ourselves about that anymore.

Green Fella

SlickRic wrote: »

A lot of people thinking we were negative. I didn't see that tbh.

He went with Hendrick, Wes and Brady behind Long. Nothing negative coming from the management.

???

If you mean the formation possibly, but the style if play was as negative as we are likely to see in this tournament

And sadly the memory of us time wasting 10 minutes into the match will live long in the memory. Those instructions clearly came from management as several players done so.

It was very sad to see tbh. Im not sure if even Andorra or San Marino would done so, I know local Sunday league teams who wouldnt entertain doing that even if they were to be beaten 10-0 .It sends out the wrong message from the start.

We came to survive and got what we deserved.