League of Ireland in Europe 2016

Johner

Amazing result for Dundalk.

What's the story with tickets for the game in Tallaght in two weeks?

damemcd

Well done Dundalk, particularly to Brian Gartland , whose from round the corner there.

wadacrack

Will their be a temporary stand in place for the game against Maccabi?

joeysoap

No word yet, if the same as Bate match , season tickets first call , produce stubs from maybe FH, (last Monday) SR (next Tuesday) and Derry City (next Friday) and they get next tickets, then general sale. Personally I think they should sell the 3 matches together. The club were quite good at low prices for the Aviva match but the numbers are very restricted at Tallaght. According to one of yesterday's red-tops the club won't receive the Aviva money (around €200,000)for another mont as per Ticket Master terms, and the club had to take out two overdrafts. The same report also said UEFA had released €3M to the club.

Omackeral

I'd be delighted to go to the home games but I'd be equally delighted if I couldn't get a ticket due to it selling out. Dundalk deserve all the support they can get.

Captain Havoc

I know the extra money in the CL would have been great for Dundalk but everyone is talking about how great they are doing and last night's draw is another result to add to that. This is doing the profile of the league no harm. What if they did beat Legia? Would probably getting thumped by Real and Dortmund and losing to Lisbon have set the profile back?

justshane

Captain Havoc wrote: »

I know the extra money in the CL would have been great for Dundalk but everyone is talking about how great they are doing and last night's draw is another result to add to that. This is doing the profile of the league no harm. What if they did beat Legia? Would probably getting thumped by Real and Dortmund and losing to Lisbon have set the profile back?

Interesting theory and one that crossed my mind yesterday. I think the Europa league is better at this time but obviously the exposure and money from the CL playing Juve or Barca would be better in the long run.

White Horse

Captain Havoc wrote: »

I know the extra money in the CL would have been great for Dundalk but everyone is talking about how great they are doing and last night's draw is another result to add to that. This is doing the profile of the league no harm. What if they did beat Legia? Would probably getting thumped by Real and Dortmund and losing to Lisbon have set the profile back?

Dundalk are the best marketing opportunity the FAI could ever have, if there were serious about the league.

The picture of the former LOI lads on Euro duty was great, but it could be argued that these lads did a lot of their development after they went to English clubs.

Dundalk are competing at a high level now. There is no reason other clubs can't reach this level. Cork being the closest.

The results of this week do lend credence to the argument that Dundalk are much better competing in the Europa League. It is still a massive step up compared to their domestic games.

White Horse

MD1990 wrote: »

You look at teams around Europe even small clubs often have Brazilians & other overseas players. Nearly all of Dundalk's squad is Irish & there first 11 is all Irish. It is a great achievement.

Good point. The entire squad is Irish, though Sava was born in Italy.

joeysoap

Captain Havoc wrote: »

I know the extra money in the CL would have been great for Dundalk but everyone is talking about how great they are doing and last night's draw is another result to add to that. This is doing the profile of the league no harm. What if they did beat Legia? Would probably getting thumped by Real and Dortmund and losing to Lisbon have set the profile back?

You would have to say Real and Dortmund would run up a big score in their home matches, both trying to build up goal difference. Having said that Zenith scored 4 in 15 minutes away from home last night so a thumping is not altogether ruled out in those matches. Overall probably better in the EL but it it is a tough group. Zenith would expect to make the last 8 at least.

DJIMI TRARORE

Well done Dundalk,super result and throughly deserved, just shows what can be done with limited resources and no big name players. They got the result by trusting themselves with the ball and trying to keep it,is it possible that MON watched this and learned anything?

TheRedDevil10

The game can be watched in full via this link: https://www.setantago.com/ondemand/123819-planning-purpose?search=&start=&end=&searchq=

Alfa Quadrifoglio

Still elated with both Dundalks performance and result in the Europa League last night, it was interesting to hear AZ Alkmaar Boss, John van den Brom, admit that Dundalk outplayed AZ in the first, deserved the draw and "they play better football than British teams". Great coverage of Dundalks heroics in the Independant, thought RTE TV's coverage on last night news and todays news was minimalist at best, no interviews, no cameras in Alkmaar or Dundalk for reaction, very poor from our National broadcaster.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/az-alkmaar-boss-has-high-praise-for-dundalk-and-says-kennys-men-play-better-football-than-british-teams-35052871.html

joeysoap

http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/club/index.html

Think this the current co-efficient table


Zenith 15
AZ Alkmaar 66
Maccabi 95
Dundalk 308

Pats seem to top rated Irish team at 288

White Horse

A League of Ireland team just went to Holland and played better football than the home team. Think about that. Because Dundalk are making us reconsider what we think we know. They call into question the idea that our national team is restricted to a long ball game because that's 'our footballing culture.' They, as Kenny Cunningham pointed out on Thursday, call into question the idea that League of Ireland players never, ever deserve a place in the national squad until they move cross-channel. And they call into question the general writing off of the League of Ireland in Irish sporting culture.

Eamonn Sweeney in the Indo.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/dundalks-exploits-making-us-reconsider-what-we-think-we-know-35057268.html

pablomakaveli

I think it'll take a lot more for people to start reconsidering their views on the LOI. The "LOI is ****e" mentality is pretty deeply entrenched.

White Horse

pablomakaveli wrote: »

I think it'll take a lot more for people to start reconsidering their views on the LOI. The "LOI is ****e" mentality is pretty deeply entrenched.

They have to start somewhere.

topmanamillion

pablomakaveli wrote: »

I think it'll take a lot more for people to start reconsidering their views on the LOI. The "LOI is ****e" mentality is pretty deeply entrenched.

You will never get people to "reconsider" their views. People who spend fortunes to sit in the upper tiers of the Sir Alex Ferguson stand with the rest of the football tourists from all over the world are lost.

The best thing the LOI could do is try to appeal to a younger generation. Get into schools. Player and coach visits, training sessions, club funded school tours to LOI grounds, school boy &girls teams entered into local leagues by LOI teams and match days out will all pay for themselves 10 fold in the long run.
I read somewhere that over the last 10 or 15 years Cork City have distributed about a quarter of a million match tickets into schools in Cork. That's the formula to follow.

As it stand the league as a whole is piss poor at marketing itself. It can't compete with Europes major leagues and nor should it try. It's a local league and it should work to embed itself in local communities. At the moment bar one or 2 bright spots it isn't doing that.

pablomakaveli

topmanamillion wrote: »

You will never get people to "reconsider" their views. People who spend fortunes to sit in the upper tiers of the Sir Alex Ferguson stand with the rest of the football tourists from all over the world are lost.

The best thing the LOI could do is try to appeal to a younger generation. Get into schools. Player and coach visits, training sessions, club funded school tours to LOI grounds, school boy &girls teams entered into local leagues by LOI teams and match days out will all pay for themselves 10 fold in the long run.
I read somewhere that over the last 10 or 15 years Cork City have distributed about a quarter of a million match tickets into schools in Cork. That's the formula to follow.

As it stand the league as a whole is piss poor at marketing itself. It can't compete with Europes major leagues and nor should it try. It's a local league and it should work to embed itself in local communities. At the moment bar one or 2 bright spots it isn't doing that.

Agree completely. I think sometimes theres too much focus on appealing to the lot that travel once or twice a year to see an English match and like you say those ones are a waste of effort marketing to.

For a kid if you get them into the habit young and they enjoy it they'll either grow up a fan or at the very least with a more positive view of the LOI. They'll have to come with a parent and thats another ticket sold on top of it. Things like the family enclosure at the Cross are a great idea as its a fun and friendly environment for the kids when they do come to our matches.

White Horse

Dundalk have risen almost 100 places in the UEFA rankings; 359 to 266.

http://www.ecaeurope.com/tabbed-content/club-ranking/

joeysoap

White Horse wrote: »

Dundalk have risen almost 100 places in the UEFA rankings; 359 to 266.

http://www.ecaeurope.com/tabbed-content/club-ranking/

I don't know which one is the accurate this one or the one above. Zenith are still 15th, AZ and Maccabi a bit higher in this one

Leicester must have two teams they are 93rd and 98th

So maybe The Town up to 265?

Alfa Quadrifoglio

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/champions-league/watch-legia-warsaw-charged-after-masked-hooligans-armed-with-pepper-spray-launch-vicious-attack-35054077.html#

UEFA considering action against Legia Warsaw....... easy answer to that put Dundalk in the CL instead of them.....yes I know it cannot happen!
I could not see Dundalk with their spirit, courage and technical ability losing 6 nil to Dortmund in the Aviva as Legia lost last week in Warsaw

justshane

Alfa Quadrifoglio wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/champions-league/watch-legia-warsaw-charged-after-masked-hooligans-armed-with-pepper-spray-launch-vicious-attack-35054077.html#

UEFA considering action against Legia Warsaw....... easy answer to that put Dundalk in the CL instead of them.....yes I know it cannot happen!
I could not see Dundalk with their spirit, courage and technical ability losing 6 nil to Dortmund in the Aviva as Legia lost last week in Warsaw

Jes I think you underestimate Dortmund, top 10 teams in Europe. They could beat Warsaw or Dundalk 9-0 if they got going.

joeysoap

justshane wrote: »

Jes I think you underestimate Dortmund, top 10 teams in Europe. They could beat Warsaw or Dundalk 9-0 if they got going.

I agree. Let's not get carried away. Dundalk are not Dortmund.


Legia must be concerned that if they were thrown out that they would lose the €12.5m. Between the ineligible player and last year I think that's 3 years in a row that Legia have managed to draw attention to themselves. I suspect in order to be fair to the other two clubs in the group that they will have play their other two home matches behind closed doors and a fine. It's big bucks at this stage so the fine will probably reflect this. They had an awful lot of flares at the Aviva match, though Dundalk could be fined for allowing them in. The FAI were responsible for security that night and it was hit and miss, there was no security/searches at our section of the ground, 50 metres away at a different section one of my friends was body searched 3 times.

joeysoap

joeysoap wrote: »

the illegible player

He's hard to get a read on.

ahlookit

joeysoap wrote: »

They had an awful lot of flares at the Aviva match, though Dundalk could be fined for allowing them in. The FAI were responsible for security that night and it was hit and miss, there was no security/searches at our section of the ground, 50 metres away at a different section one of my friends was body searched 3 times.

Were the Legia fans searched for anti JD banners though? surely that's the biggest threat to ground safety in matches at Lansdowne?

joeysoap

In Polish but interesting

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wNEqWEHcC7g

Grafton Street is not in Dundalk and why UCD's home ground is shown are odd but the rest is pretty accurate all things considered. I assume it was made for the Legia's home market prior to the 2nd leg.

At 1.30 only one of those are involved with the new ownership.

Sue Pa Key Pa

Sue Pa Key Pa wrote: »

But, he's not even the best keeper in the LOI. I'm surprised he has the No.1 shirt at Dundalk.

I'll just leave that there for a minute

joeysoap

Johner wrote: »

Amazing result for Dundalk.

What's the story with tickets for the game in Tallaght in two weeks?

http://www.dundalkfc.com/maccabi-tel-aviv-tickets-sale/

joeysoap

wadacrack wrote: »

Will their be a temporary stand in place for the game against Maccabi?

tickets on sale at Oriel this morning, 1 only per season ticket holder. Queue was 50 yards long at all stages (Dundalk have 1,000 season ticket holders)

Tomorrow on sale at Oriel, 2 per person. Think this a bit pointless as you can re queue and buy 2 more etc but maybe to stop touts getting tickets.

Ground limited to 5,500, I can't see many left for general sale on Friday if today is anything to go by.

MD1990

It saya on that article that tickets will be sold on Friday with Tickmaster (General sale if any left I assume). Will they be sold online though?

joeysoap

MD1990 wrote: »

It saya on that article that tickets will be sold on Friday with Tickmaster (General sale if any left I assume). Will they be sold online though?

General Ticketmaster sale on line, I don't think they will many left for sale. I don't know how many Maccabi have to get.

No temporary seats going in then?

Alfa Quadrifoglio

Pricing very fair by Dundalk, €20 adult €10 child, should have no trouble selling all 5,500 tickets and hopefully they can bag another Europa League point or maybe more!

dan1895

Some anti-Israel group trying to organise a protest at this. I'm far from pro-Israel but a football match is not the place for such protests.

OldMrBrennan83

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Alfa Quadrifoglio

AZ Alkmaar are now up to 2nd joint place in the Dutch Eredivisie after winning away to Zwolle at the weekend. I wonder where Dundalk would finish in the Dutch league, well up the table I suspect

inforfun

Dont get too excited.
AZ lost Janssen and Henriksen (39 goals, 10 assist combined) in the summer and have to rebuilt the team because of it.

Dutch league is 6 matches old.
Just as i dont think Feyenoord has the league won already, AZ's current level isnt the level of a team that will finish 2nd in the Dutch league.

Not that i want to take much away from Dundalk but that 1-1 they got at AZ had quite a bit of good fortune for Dundalk included. Bad decision for the disallowed goal, seeing your teammate going off like AZ players had to, has an impact too)

joeysoap

Alfa Quadrifoglio wrote: »

Pricing very fair by Dundalk, €20 adult €10 child, should have no trouble selling all 5,500 tickets and hopefully they can bag another Europa League point or maybe more!

I hear the capacity is 5500 for matches at Tallaght. I thought you had to have more than 8,500 to be classed as a category 4 ground, and that category 4 was required for league stages?

Assuming 5,500 @ an average of €15 = just over €80,000. Take out the ground rent to Rovers, security, match expenses etc and I doubt what's left would cover the cost of the return trip to Israel.

Dundalk will net more from that draw in The Netherlands than the 3 'home' matches combined. One win of course, while unlikely would be very welcome and would probably pay for the whole adventure.

joeysoap

Mmmmmmm.......


a. category 2 for the first and second qualifying rounds;
b. category 3 for the third qualifying round and play-offs;
c. category 4 from the group stage to the semi-finals.


Group 1. 2. 3. 4.

Minimum Seated capacity 200 1,500 4,500 8,000

dundalkfc10

inforfun wrote: »

Dont get too excited.
AZ lost Janssen and Henriksen (39 goals, 10 assist combined) in the summer and have to rebuilt the team because of it.

Dutch league is 6 matches old.
Just as i dont think Feyenoord has the league won already, AZ's current level isnt the level of a team that will finish 2nd in the Dutch league.

Not that i want to take much away from Dundalk but that 1-1 they got at AZ had quite a bit of good fortune for Dundalk included. Bad decision for the disallowed goal, seeing your teammate going off like AZ players had to, has an impact too)

How about the fact if our Goalkeeper hadnt of come out for a ball he had no reason coming for or our captain and best player getting sent off, AZ can count themselves lucky aswell!

inforfun

I have to be honest, i wasnt watching as i had this little thing called Feyenoord - man utd going on at the time. But i didnt read anything about that sending off being a ref's cock up.

You are comparing external issues (bad ref's decision) to bad decision by Dundalk players. GK and player could have avoided their bad luck. AZ couldn't.

damemcd

think ground rent goes to SDCC and not to Rovers

dundalkfc10

inforfun wrote: »

I have to be honest, i wasnt watching as i had this little thing called Feyenoord - man utd going on at the time. But i didnt read anything about that sending off being a ref's cock up.

You are comparing external issues (bad ref's decision) to bad decision by Dundalk players. GK and player could have avoided their bad luck. AZ couldn't.

So you are talking about how we shouldn't get carried away with a draw in a game you didn't even watch! FFS

If you watch the game you will be aware we were far better team in 1st half and were unlucky not to be in front before the break.

GLaDOS

I think Inforfun's point was you can't extrapolate an isolated result against AZ into Dundalk finishing in the upper end of the Eredivisie

dundalkfc10

GLaDOS wrote: »

I think Inforfun's point was you can't extrapolate an isolated result against AZ into Dundalk finishing in the upper end of the Eredivisie

I think his point was he was talking outta his arse!

inforfun

There are people thinking Dundalk can finish in the top of the Eredivisie because Dundalk drew to the current no2 and i am the one talking out of his arse.

Ok then.

dundalkfc10

inforfun wrote: »

There are people thinking Dundalk can finish in the top of the Eredivisie because Dundalk drew to the current no2 and i am the one talking out of his arse.

Ok then.

Name one person who said or thinks Dundalk could finish top of the Eredivisie? What has been said is we could do well in that league. Judging on our performances the past 2 years, There's no reason to think why we wouldn't.

Either way we will never know.

No back to talking about how lucky Dundalk were to get a point even though you never seen the game!

joeysoap

damemcd wrote: »

think ground rent goes to SDCC and not to Rovers

I know SDCC own it and lease it to Rovers but would Rovers sub lease it to Dundalk or do SDCC have a 'right' to use it for other events ie Dundalk in this case?

inforfun

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Name one person who said or thinks Dundalk could finish top of the Eredivisie? What has been said is we could do well in that league. Judging on our performances the past 2 years, There's no reason to think why we wouldn't.

Either way we will never know.

No back to talking about how lucky Dundalk were to get a point even though you never seen the game!

I wonder where Dundalk would finish in the Dutch league, well up the table I suspect

Few posts up.
We agree he isnt talking 12th?