roundup and grazon 90

Dunedin

Doing a bit of spraying this evening under the electric fence

Can anyone tell me quickly how much Roundup and Grazon 90 I should add to a 15 litre budget?

I said

Grazing is 60ml to 10 litres of water

mahoney_j

Don't think u can spray under wire with that mix ,big no for X compliance

kerry cow

What mix then? That is accepted

_Brian

mahoney_j wrote: »

Don't think u can spray under wire with that mix ,big no for X compliance

This idea pisses me off. Was walking to a fella who was inspected and he was told same, no spraying under fences, he asked about controlling briars and was told to dig them out of hedge with a spade

J.O. Farmer

_Brian wrote: »

This idea pisses me off. Was walking to a fella who minspected and he was told same, no spraying under fences, he asked about controlling briars and was told to dig them out of hedge with a spade

The inspector that suggested that must never have done it. I haven't either but it sounds like death by a thousand cuts slow and painful.

RightTurnClyde

Going out after the supper with 600 litres if water and 4 litres of Grazon pro to do every wire in the place and any inspector can kiss my a**e if he has a problem with it.

memorystick

Can I spray young furze in a ditch with Grazon 90?

rangler1

kerry cow wrote: »

What mix then? That is accepted

Don't think round up use is acceptable in a hedge, don't know about GRAZON.
i know dept officials that read here, pity they wouldn't clarify this.
''A nettle in a field is a weed, a nettle in a ditch is a habitat''

I had a row with a neighbour that sprayed under my road ditch with roundup last year, I told him he could strim it if he likes.
He done neither this year

djmc

Round up is a waste of time under wire as it kills everything and the following year weeds will take over worse than ever.
Grazing 90 will just kill everything but the grass and the weeds won't come back as quickly as they have to compete with established grass.
Even a broadleaf weedkiller would be better than roundup.

Buford T. Justice XIX

rangler1 wrote: »

Don't think round up use is acceptable in a hedge, don't know about GRAZON.
i know dept officials that read here, pity they wouldn't clarify this.
''A nettle in a field is a weed, a nettle in a ditch is a habitat''

I had a row with a neighbour that sprayed under my road ditch with roundup last year, I told him he could strim it if he likes.
He done neither this year

Yeah, it seems a big problem for cross compliance.

I asked during one of my inspections last year and said who's responsible when the wire cannot carry current and my cattle cause an accident on the road.

She smiled and said I was, that I should use a hedgecutter in season or cut them manually during the non cutting season.

I have the hedge cutter booked to cut every hedge with wire back to fcuk on the first day of the open season.

Screwed if you do, screwed if you don't.

rangler1

djmc wrote: »

Round up is a waste of time under wire as it kills everything and the following year weeds will take over worse than ever.
Grazing 90 will just kill everything but the grass and the weeds won't come back as quickly as they have to compete with established grass.
Even a broadleaf weedkiller would be better than roundup.

Yea, stupid neighbour has left me with a hedge full of cleavers (robin run the hedge) hope fully grass will come back strong enough to compete with it again....some people haven't a clue, he did about 50 mtrs ''to give visibility''

rangler1

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Yeah, it seems a big problem for cross compliance.

I asked during one of my inspections last year and said who's responsible when the wire cannot carry current and my cattle cause an accident on the road.

She smiled and said I was, that I should use a hedgecutter in season or cut them manually during the non cutting season.

I have the hedge cutter booked to cut every hedge with wire back to fcuk on the first day of the open season.

Screwed if you do, screwed if you don't.

Have good hedges here so would always fence the hedge but for the bull with the cows when i had sucklers, i'd use elestric and keep the wire well out and high so they'd graze in and the briars wouldn't reach and flail them once a year.
Sheep farmers have to fence for all the neighbours

newholland mad

Aside from cross compliance mixing roundup with grazon is a waste of time and money. The roundup kills everything so what's left for the grazon to do. It wouldn't even be absorbed into leaves because the roundup has shut down the plant

Dunedin

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newholland mad wrote: »

Aside from cross compliance mixing roundup with grazon is a waste of time and money. The roundup kills everything so what's left for the grazon to do. It wouldn't even be absorbed into leaves because the roundup has shut down the plant [/QUOTe

would grazon be good enough on it's own?

is that allowed on cross compliance?

newholland mad

Grazon on it's own will kill nettles thistles docks etc and sicken briars and fresh growth of elders and the like. For future use a month or so earlier when weeds are smaller is a better job.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Dunedin wrote: »

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newholland mad wrote: »

Aside from cross compliance mixing roundup with grazon is a waste of time and money. The roundup kills everything so what's left for the grazon to do. It wouldn't even be absorbed into leaves because the roundup has shut down the plant [/QUOTe

would grazon be good enough on it's own?

is that allowed on cross compliance?

Afaik, no.

You are allowed to spot treat to spray noxious weeds but you're not allowed to treat a length of ditch, according to my advisor when I asked.

pms7

I find Grazon great at home where there are cattle grazing, but in a leased field for 2 cuts silage then grazing later, has grass up to the wire now. Was wondering will I have to go Roundup here, or will the grass lodge by Sept?

Chris 2000

Hi,
There is no problem spraying GrazonPro under electric fences. The issues arises when these fences are close to water. The label states that you must keep 5m from a water course. However STRIPE rules state that GrazonPro can be used up to within 1metre of a water course (from edge of bank) when fitted with the low drift nozzles, etc. A water course is a water body that can carry water at any time of the year. It may be dry in summer months but it still counts as a water course. This is to protect pesticides getting into water. Full details of all buffer zones are available of the PCS website (Dept of Ag) pcs.agriculture.gov.ie and search under STRIPE.
So if an electric fence is up against a hedge – then no problem spraying under it with GrazonPro and up to edge of a hedge as long as there is no water course there. In the old REPS schemes electric fences were to be back 1.2m from water courses where this option was chosen, so if installed correctly for that scheme it would be ok to use under them. Hope that info is useful.

poor farmer

newholland mad wrote: »

Aside from cross compliance mixing roundup with grazon is a waste of time and money. The roundup kills everything so what's left for the grazon to do. It wouldn't even be absorbed into leaves because the roundup has shut down the plant

Roundup wont kill briars or furze
I spray under fences with a mix of roundup and grazon 90 or scrub killer .Around here there are lots of rushes as well under fences .
Kills pretty much everything . 70 ml of grazon 200 ml roundup to 15 litres of water.

bullnuts

poor farmer wrote: »

Roundup wont kill briars or furze
I spray under fences with a mix of roundup and grazon 90 or scrub killer .Around here there are lots of rushes as well under fences .
Kills pretty much everything . 70 ml of grazon 200 ml roundup to 15 litres of water.

I would have taught round up kills briars and furze? Gallop does

sonnybill

I did 2 X 95ltr quad tanks of spot spraying with grazon pro... Got misty and a light shower soon enough after .. I reckon it got enough time .. Covered a big area on creeping furze I topped and briars.. Be a half day of hard graft and 1ltr grazon pro out of pocket if it fails ;-(

cosbawn

Will Grazon kill ivy ? Have a lot of it growing in hedgerow. Have pulled the most of it out as it’s choking young trees. But even after a few days you can see new shoots taking off. Using grazon to kill briars. Thanks, very informative thread by the way

_Brian

cosbawn wrote: »

Will Grazon kill ivy ? Have a lot of it growing in hedgerow. Have pulled the most of it out as it’s choking young trees. But even after a few days you can see new shoots taking off. Using grazon to kill briars. Thanks, very informative thread by the way

Not at normal concentrations.
I killed some briars and other stuff with it along the ditch which runs down our lane, there is a good bit of ivy tuere which I was happy to see survived.

Ivy is very waxy and I’d imagine hard to penetrate the leaves.