UK Votes to leave EU

First Up

maryishere wrote:

They may tell us every visitor from the UK has to have a visa, cost €50. Ah well, we wanted out independence, shure we may as well pay for it.

Who are "they"?

maryishere

First Up wrote: »

Who are "they"?

The EU. They will decide on the border to the EU.

And if so, we will need a visa to pass through N. Ireland on the way to north Donegal (from Dublin) if we want to take the most direct route. And people wanting abortions in England will end up having to get a visa.

First Up

maryishere wrote:

The EU. They will decide on the border to the EU.

And who are the EU?

steddyeddy

maryishere wrote: »

The EU. They will decide on the border to the EU.

And if so, we will need a visa to pass through N. Ireland on the way to north Donegal (from Dublin) if we want to take the most direct route. And people wanting abortions in England will end up having to get a visa.

Ireland's part of the EU and can veto EU proposals.

First Up

steddyeddy wrote:

Ireland's part of the EU and can veto EU proposals.

Ah don't spoil it so quick. I like watching Mary dance.

FrancieBrady

First Up wrote: »

Ah don't spoil it so quick. I like watching Mary dance.

Mary caught on the knowledge round again.

On the subject of what we should do.
There will be much talk before and after Art 50 about age old ties between Ireland and the UK etc etc. but we have to be absolutely cold about what we do. We will have two years to insulate ourselves and find new markets and new businesses. We have to be completely business like and merciless. They would do no different.
Dog eat dog.

FrancieBrady

steddyeddy wrote: »

Ireland's part of the EU and can veto EU proposals.

Same way Britain could have done something about all those rich farmers and Mrs Winsdor getting money they probably didn't need.

They used their veto alright!

Nate--IRL--

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We have to be completely business like and merciless. They would do no different.
Dog eat dog.

They have already decided to act ideologically, to the detriment of Ireland and the EU. I see no reason to be anything other than business like about Brexit. We must fully protect Ireland's Interests in any negotiation with the UK.

Nate

indioblack

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Mary caught on the knowledge round again.

On the subject of what we should do.
There will be much talk before and after Art 50 about age old ties between Ireland and the UK etc etc. but we have to be absolutely cold about what we do. We will have two years to insulate ourselves and find new markets and new businesses. We have to be completely business like and merciless. They would do no different.
Dog eat dog.

"It's better to be heartless than mindless"' Sir Humphrey Appleby.

catbear

There can't be any appeasement to an xenophobic anti human mandate like brexit.

maryishere

steddyeddy wrote: »

Ireland's part of the EU and can veto EU proposals.

Others have said that if the EU decides on a hard border, there may not be much those of us in these islands can do about it?

tomwaterford

catbear wrote: »

Milk powder is already traded seasonally with new zealand, same milking stock, similar grass conditions. Combined I believe together Ireland and New Zealand share 40% of the global baby formula market.

If direct trade with the continent increases then shipping shouldn't need any incentives.

now the biggy. Changing the side of the road we drive on. Thoughts?

The arse has fallen outta it though....leaving some farmers who've borrowed heavily possibly over exposed and in trouble

maryishere

steddyeddy wrote: »

How can Ireland minimise economic damage after Brexit?

It could gamble on the EU surviving. Shares in Germanys biggest bank, Deutsche bank, are on the floor. Analysts who cover this stock are predicting a decline of about 25% from recent levels ...and Deutsche Bank already has sunk 44% this year. The European Central Bank (ECB) has pushed interest rates into the negative zone to try to spur growth. The biggest near-term problem for Deutsche Bank is that the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) wants to fine it for its role in creating asset-backed securities that contributed to the 2008 financial crisis. That might cost the bank $5.4 billion. The bank may also face big fines for money-laundering in Russia, and for manipulation of foreign-exchange markets. The German banks are owed a fortune from Greece and from eastern European countries, shure those lads are as solid as gold. Michael Noonan has a few bob of borrowed money stashed away somewhere, he should gamble it on Deutsche bank.

steddyeddy

maryishere wrote: »

Others have said that if the EU decides on a hard border, there may not be much those of us in these islands can do about it?

Nah it's not true dude.

FrancieBrady

maryishere wrote: »

It could gamble on the EU surviving. Shares in Germanys biggest bank, Deutsche bank, are on the floor. Analysts who cover this stock are predicting a decline of about 25% from recent levels ...and Deutsche Bank already has sunk 44% this year. The European Central Bank (ECB) has pushed interest rates into the negative zone to try to spur growth. The biggest near-term problem for Deutsche Bank is that the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) wants to fine it for its role in creating asset-backed securities that contributed to the 2008 financial crisis. That might cost the bank $5.4 billion. The bank may also face big fines for money-laundering in Russia, and for manipulation of foreign-exchange markets. The German banks are owed a fortune from Greece and from eastern European countries, shure those lads are as solid as gold. Michael Noonan has a few bob of borrowed money stashed away somewhere, he should gamble it on Deutsche bank.

You got through all that without mentioning Wolfgang! Well done!

maryishere

steddyeddy wrote: »

Nah it's not true dude.

It is true that is what some others have said, dude.

It may not be true that will happen.

steddyeddy

maryishere wrote: »

It is true that is what some others have said, dude.

It may not be true that will happen.

Well they may have said it but that's not how tge EU works.

maryishere

Who knows exactly how Brexit will work, it is unprecedented.

FrancieBrady

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well they may have said it but that's not how tge EU works.

If Britain wants a border again they can pay for it this time.

tomwaterford

maryishere wrote: »

It is true that is what some others have said, dude.

It may not be true that will happen.

Are you listening to others on the internet who are peddling nonsense as fact??


Either way. ...a hard border...while appealing to anti immigration vote....serves no other purpose....just impose a visa system?

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If Britain wants a border again they can pay for it this time.

It would be cheaper to offload NI to the Mexicans!

tomwaterford

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If Britain wants a border again they can pay for it this time.

Tbf....they are within their rights to put in whatever border controls they want....but ireland/eu is under no obligation to assist them


Unless they are going to put a check Point on every little Borden etc crossing the border. ...all the talk of a hard border is pointless

Fratton Fred

tomwaterford wrote: »

Tbf....they are within their rights to put in whatever border controls they want....but ireland/eu is under no obligation to assist them


Unless they are going to put a check Point on every little Borden etc crossing the border. ...all the talk of a hard border is pointless

There is no talk of a hard border, other than in this thread.

Mind you, this thread lost touch with reality a few pages back.

FrancieBrady

tomwaterford wrote: »

Tbf....they are within their rights to put in whatever border controls they want....but ireland/eu is under no obligation to assist them


Unless they are going to put a check Point on every little Borden etc crossing the border. ...all the talk of a hard border is pointless

The last border was a joke, a sop to Unionists and never caught or stopped anyone. All it did was enflame, agitate and radicalise.

First Up

tomwaterford wrote:

Unless they are going to put a check Point on every little Borden etc crossing the border. ...all the talk of a hard border is pointless

The border (and there will be one) works both ways. All trade crossing it will be subject to customs procedures. How people are processed is a matter for each side. I suspect northbound will be easier.

steddyeddy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It would be cheaper to offload NI to the Mexicans!

You can be sure most woupd want rid of it.

catbear

tomwaterford wrote: »

The arse has fallen outta it though....leaving some farmers who've borrowed heavily possibly over exposed and in trouble

Actually the NZ/ire tie-up has been going nearly 20 years, if not longer. It's a long term thing. This year could be the big one for Irish beef if the Chinese deal goes ahead as planned for jan.

tomwaterford

catbear wrote: »

Actually the NZ/ire tie-up has been going nearly 20 years, if not longer. It's a long term thing. This year could be the big one for Irish beef if the Chinese deal goes ahead as planned for jan.

It has....and the getting rid of quotas hasnt been the dream many farmers dreamed it to be!!


Though a brezit has the potential to wipe out irish beef processors as while they'll most likely be still importing it.....they can't compete with Argentina beef which presumably the British can buy off the open markets

Peregrine

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