UK Votes to leave EU

my friend

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The hogs at the trough are rattled

Can't wait for Hogan and Kenny to utter their predictable stupid utterances

Joeytheparrot

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

We're already seeing the sheer economic effect predicted by remain

What we're seeing is blind panic caused by the remain's plan failing!
Give it a few days and let the dust settle, the markets will adjust and be in a similar position to what they were before the result.

nhunter100

Setipiprant wrote:

Did you think GBP would plummet beforehand?

I knew it would lose value in the event of a leave vote, however just making it through the day is enough of a gamble for me. Somehow I think it'll bonce back .5th largest economy and all that.

Renegade Mechanic

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Sanders over the whole lot of them

No. No socialism. Bad Marxist, BAD. Shoo. Shoo!!! :mad:

Womb_Raider

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

We're already seeing the sheer economic effect predicted by remain

The market will rectify itself soon enough. The scaremongering among anti-brexiters is hilarious.

namloc1980

Scottish voters bought the scaremongering about the EU 2 years ago and rejected independence, and now they've found themselves forced out of the EU by English voters! Indy Ref 2 around the corner.

pushkii

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Enda has called an emergency meeting according to skynews

Hahaha!

nhunter100

my friend wrote:

Can't wait for Hogan and Kenny to utter their predictable stupid utterances

Sure Edna has a Plan 'B' already to go, or so he said and he doesn't tell lies. Even the man with 2 pints knows that.

Annasopra

Womb_Raider wrote: »

The market will rectify itself soon enough. The scaremongering among anti-brexiters is hilarious.

The largest sterling fall in 30 years just happened. It is truth. It's not scaremongering. Seriously guys. You cannot dismiss something that actually happened as scaremongering.

Samaris

whiskeyman wrote: »

I'm shocked and surprised for the Leave vote, but this attitude is really annoying me.
I've heard snippits of young remain supporters this morning saying they feel 'disillusioned with politics' and 'sad people didn't make the right decision'.
It's a democracy and the majority have voted against something FFS!!!
How can you be so flippant and ignorant to the state of your own nation?
The truth is, no one really knows if this the right decision or not... it depends on who's views you want to believe and who've campaign has swayed you.

It's similar to Trump getting so close to power in the US.
Don't question why people are 'foolish' to vote for him.
Question as to why his ideas / views are so popular in the first place.

The UK Government have marginalised the majority of their people and they've kicked them in the nads this morning for it

I agree that defeat with dignity is the best way to go, but I can't really blame their being hugely disappointed or expressing themselves that way. Yes, it can be argued that there wasn't a "right" or a "wrong" way to vote - Remain and Leave were both valid voting options after all! It is painful to see something you have worked for lost out on because of scaremongering though - although I fully grant that would have been the case for one side whichever side won - both ran very negative campaigns.

A lot of young people, particularly young, university-educated people, the ones that have grown up pro-Europe, are very alarmed at the push towards nationalism, extremist nationalism, and far-right beliefs and the push away from neighbouring countries.

It is difficult to say the "The British government has marginalised the majority of its people". As in any case where there's a big recession, the world is uncertain, people seek someone to blame, and the blame is placed on their elected representatives, no matter if a worldwide recession can hardly be blamed on one government, or if places like Sunderland and the north of England have been gradually losing out for decades because the economic powerhouses of mining and shipbuilding - a major business in both northern England and Northern Ireland - just are no longer tenable as powerhouses in a world that has developed quickly past it. One can argue that the government (governments, really) should have done more to bring the north forward with the south but...it's easy to say it when you aren't the one trying to figure out which is best for the country as a whole. With limited cashflow, do you focus on bringing every part of the country to a roughly even, but lower, standard, or do you try to push the majority of the country towards wealth and hope it trickles down to the more isolated regions?

Calls towards the highly emotive topics of nationalism and "taking back what's ours" are a callback to a simply non-tenable ancient history, it's damn near fantasy, but it resonates. It's a lot harder to get a battlecry that people can sink their teeth into regarding "let's try to get along" and complicated financial stuff that few people understand and most people are highly suspicious of.

The people have spoken and they have voted for the unknown, and that is all there is to it. But I, as a random person on the internet :P, think there are difficult years ahead.

philstar

oh don't you know..there'll be a second referendum just to make sure

or does that only happen in ireland??

Renegade Mechanic

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

The largest sterling fall in 30 years just happened. It is truth. It's not scaremongering. Seriously guys. You cannot dismiss something that actually happened as scaremongering.

Better to rip off the plaster quickly than spend forever picking at it.

Xyzforsure

The Muppets in Brussels knew this was coming and Sat on their hands.

I can't blame the British public and respect them for having no fear of leaving.

The reality is the European dream is over and for us irish we need to be looking at a commonwealth scenario asap.

Well done Britain.

tonycascarino

philstar wrote: »

oh don't you know..there'll be a second referendum just to make sure

or does that only happen in ireland??

Only to us as our ''leaders'' do not have the balls to tell the EU to buzz off

Guy:Incognito

philstar wrote: »

oh don't you know..there'll be a second referendum just to make sure

or does that only happen in ireland??

The fact that this horse**** is the go to argument for so many shows how many people are basically tabloid voters. Magpies that head for shiny headlines, regardless of whether theres any truth underneath them.

The flying mouse

I would expect a huge influx of immigrants into Ireland now, either trying to get into Britain through the north or just settling here as part of the EU policy.

timthumbni

No doubt some serious money made on the markets by some. Re Scotland I thought Spain had already said they wouldn't allow them easy access to the eu.

Anyway at least the referendum is over. Let's see where it goes from here. Labour has lost its heartlands completely by completely ignoring issues that were obviously worrying their voters. If nothing else this should be the kick up the backside that all of the U.K. parties need. (And beyond)

nhunter100

Joeytheparrot wrote:

The largest sterling fall in 30 years just happened. It is truth. It's not scaremongering. Seriously guys. You cannot dismiss something that actually happened as scaremongering.

Have you ever heard of market panic? Btw it was 31 years.

whiskeyman

Samaris wrote: »

A lot of young people, particularly young, university-educated people, the ones that have grown up pro-Europe, are very alarmed at the push towards nationalism, extremist nationalism, and far-right beliefs and the push away from neighbouring countries. .

You could sum it up like this:

Samaris wrote: »

A lot of young people, particularly young, university-educated people, the ones that have grown up pro-Europe [THE RICH] are very alarmed at the push towards nationalism, extremist nationalism, and far-right beliefs and the push away from neighbouring countries. [THE POOR] .

The socio-economic divide is really at play here.
Just look at the voting maps to confirm this.

The 'idiots' may have voted for Brexit, but the real idiots sowed the seeds for this and ignored it for too long.

tonycascarino

The flying mouse wrote: »

I would expect a huge influx of immigrants into Ireland now, either trying to get into Britain through the north or just settling here as part of the EU policy.

Unfortunately...Cannot wait for the Turks to get their fast tracked EU membership. Great news for all...Sweet jesus

my friend

namloc1980 wrote: »

Scottish voters bought the scaremongering about the EU 2 years ago and rejected independence, and now they've found themselves forced out of the EU by English voters! Indy Ref 2 around the corner.

Scots have been proved cowards twice now in a year

ClovenHoof

Notice how all the civil servants on here jump in to warn Ireland not to even think about leaving... stoking wild fears of doom.

They want all them EU travel perks and week long confrences in Nice.

**** em.

The flying mouse

timthumbni wrote: »

No doubt some serious money made on the markets by some. Re Scotland I thought Spain had already said they wouldn't allow them easy access to the eu.

Anyway at least the referendum is over. Let's see where it goes from here. Labour has lost its heartlands completely by completely ignoring issues that were obviously worrying their voters. If nothing else this should be the kick up the backside that all of the U.K. parties need. (And beyond)

Also some huge problems for Gibraltar, I can see Spain closing that border there, back to the eighties again.

Setipiprant

What we need to do is ensure we have free trade agreements in place with the UK, and then we can also benefit from their lost business moving over to us.

Samaris

whiskeyman wrote: »

You could sum it up like this:



The socio-economic divide is really at play here.
Just look at the voting maps to confirm this.

The 'idiots' may have voted for Brexit, but the real idiots sowed the seeds for this and ignored it for too long.

You're not wrong about the summing of "the rich" and "the poor" when it comes to mid-England, but it's interesting that NI and Scotland, as well as the outlying islands and tiny places (bar Gibralter) have tended to go for Remain, when those two are not really amongst "the rich" in terms of monetary wealth, anyway. They do tend to be fairly highly educated, perhaps even more so than the English heartlands, which is another form of wealth though.

The flying mouse

The flying mouse wrote: »

Also some huge problems for Gibraltar, I can see Spain closing that border there, back to the eighties again.

Gibraltar voted to remain by a margin of over 90%.
Their situation is very different to that of the rest of the UK.

OldMrBrennan83

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LordSutch

London, Scotland & Northern Ireland voted to remain!

The Backwards Man

Democracy really is the worst form of government.

Renegade Mechanic

Samaris wrote: »

You're not wrong about the summing of "the rich" and "the poor" when it comes to mid-England, but it's interesting that NI and Scotland, as well as the outlying islands and tiny places (bar Gibralter) have tended to go for Remain, when those two are not really amongst "the rich" in terms of monetary wealth, anyway. They do tend to be fairly highly educated, perhaps even more so than the English heartlands, which is another form of wealth though.

Scotland was always going to vote remain, as a way to "stick it to England" for succeeding in getting them to remain in the UK.

They fail to realise however that their aspirations of EU membership were unfounded as they don't even remotely qualify for membership. Spain even guaranteed to veto any actions to include them, I suppose lest the catalans get any ideas...
Not to mention the arse falling out of the one thing that might have just kept their heads above water - oil.

ClovenHoof

tonycascarino wrote: »

Unfortunately...Cannot wait for the Turks to get their fast tracked EU membership. Great news for all...Sweet jesus

Ireland has no choice to leave or millions of refugees will affect civil servants pay raises.

Wanderer78

The Backwards Man wrote:

Democracy really is the worst form of government.

The only problem is, it doesn't exist in the eu!

The flying mouse

LordSutch wrote: »

London, Scotland & Northern Ireland voted to remain!

Why do you keep saying that, Are they not part of the U.K.?

The people have spoken, respect that.

The Backwards Man

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Democracy really is the worst form of government.

Winston Churchill.

Winston Churchill Quotes. It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.

Guy:Incognito

Patww79 wrote: »

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That re voted a 2nd time for the exact same thing? No that didnt happen. Changes were made.

LordSutch

philstar wrote: »

the British never really saw themselves as european even in a society/cultural sense..it was always one foot in one foot out for them, they never embraced the euro for example...they had their empire and they don't want to be dictated to by a bunch of Johnny Foreigners

Exactly, bloody foreigners telling our Government to impost water chasrges on the Irish people!

Maybe we'd be better out too?

The flying mouse

The flying mouse wrote: »

Why do you keep saying that, Are they not part of the U.K.?

Maybe he thinks that London is an enclave like the Vatican city in Rome.

ClovenHoof

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Democracy really is the worst form of government.

The left show their own fascist credentials at times like this...

Guy:Incognito

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Democracy really is the worst form of government.

Loads of people voting leave to "stick it to Cameron" is the height of stupidity. Have people no proper opinions on issues? How many people (on either side of a referendum) actually educate themselves on the issues?

Annasopra

Xyzforsure wrote: »

The Muppets in Brussels knew this was coming and Sat on their hands.

I can't blame the British public and respect them for having no fear of leaving.

The reality is the European dream is over and for us irish we need to be looking at a commonwealth scenario asap.

Well done Britain.

I dunno. I think Fear played a huge part on both sides. Some of my uk friends have literally been crying recently when they or their friends or family have been treated like scum. I don't think all leave supporters or campaigners were racist hatemongers but racist hatemongering was certainly a strong brexit feature.

I wonder how this will eventually impact the likes of Parcel Motel/Parcel Wizard.

enricoh

Well it was good to see that the joys that mass immigration brings being discussed somewhere. Our politicians never mention it.
It's the reason the UK left.

Does that mean Ireland will see an big increase in numbers arriving?

Annasopra

nhunter100 wrote: »

Have you ever heard of market panic? Btw it was 31 years.

You can't just dismiss it out of hand. Leave predicted a poor economic outcome and it's now happening. This is not scaremongering.

iggy

Will the Euro be nearly on par again with the Sterling rate?

Guy:Incognito

The flying mouse wrote: »

Why do you keep saying that, Are they not part of the U.K.?

The people have spoken, respect that.

A lot of Scottish vote in the independence referendum would have been based on continued EU membership and they were told that.

Bit like saying that if you vote to leave the EU the NHS will have £350m extra a week and then going "ah , no, we were only messing"

thomasj

The flying mouse wrote:

Why do you keep saying that, Are they not part of the U.K.?

According to farage the referendum was won in the midlands and the north?

€1 is currently £0.81 according to Google.

smash

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe he thinks that London is an enclave like the Vatican city in Rome.

The City of London is governed as a different entity than London as a county.

ahnowbrowncow

ClovenHoof wrote: »

Ireland has no choice to leave or millions of refugees will affect civil servants pay raises.

You're obsessed with civil servants, I wonder why?

alchemist33

BBC saying rumours going round that Cameron will resign.