Off Topic Thread 3.0

irishbucsfan

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Well, when are they going to actually pull out, for starters. Who/where/when will negotiations regarding trade deals take place, have they already got provisional deals in the works? What's happening with Northern Ireland and the land border with the EU? How are they going to replace all the funding that the EU currently gives to various projects, payments to farmers, research grants etc.

Even a vague timeline for these some of these things would be better than saying they've nothing at all.

Every single one of these things are up to the government. Noone on the other side have any control over any of those things. So unless you're asking the prime minister or a very senior government minister, it's a completely pointless question. At the moment it looks like the government didn't have a plan, but then they were mostly all in favour of the remaining in the EU. So it's not a remotely surprising answer to the question despite Sky's usual standards of commentary making it seem otherwise.

In reality the only real variable that could make a difference right now would be the outgoing PM activating article 50 on his way out.

Felix Jones is God

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/25/view-wales-town-showered-eu-cash-votes-leave-ebbw-vale?CMP=share_btn_fb

Interesting read and probably quite typical of small town mentality I fear

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Every single one of these things are up to the government. Noone on the other side have any control over any of those things. So unless you're asking the prime minister or a very senior government minister, it's a completely pointless question. At the moment it looks like the government didn't have a plan, but then they were mostly all in favour of the remaining in the EU. So it's not a remotely surprising answer to the question despite Sky's usual standards of commentary making it seem otherwise.

In reality the only real variable that could make a difference right now would be the outgoing PM activating article 50 on his way out.

Johnson and Gove were both eyeing up Cameron's job. It seems completely ludicrous that they don't have any kind of plan. Whether they were in a position to implement it or not is nearly irrelevant. Did they actually think Cameron was going to stay where he was and negotiate an exit he didn't want? The fact that nobody thought to ask who had a plan before the vote is ridiculous too. How can people make these decisions, or ask the public to make these decisions, with no long term plan in place?

irishbucsfan

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Johnson and Gove were both eyeing up Cameron's job. It seems completely ludicrous that they don't have any kind of plan. Whether they were in a position to implement it or not is nearly irrelevant. Did they actually think Cameron was going to stay where he was and negotiate an exit he didn't want? The fact that nobody thought to ask who had a plan before the vote is ridiculous too. How can people make these decisions, or ask the public to make these decisions, with no long term plan in place?

Don't they? Seems like you're getting ahead of yourself there a little bit.

molloyjh

irishbucsfan wrote: »

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Johnson and Gove were both eyeing up Cameron's job. It seems completely ludicrous that they don't have any kind of plan. Whether they were in a position to implement it or not is nearly irrelevant. Did they actually think Cameron was going to stay where he was and negotiate an exit he didn't want? The fact that nobody thought to ask who had a plan before the vote is ridiculous too. How can people make these decisions, or ask the public to make these decisions, with no long term plan in place?

Don't they? Seems like you're getting ahead of yourself there a little bit.

I think the problem here is around what exactly the Leave campaign were actually campaigning for. The selling points for a Leave vote should have consisted of a list of things that were going to happen as a result of the Leave vote. What was going to happen to trade, how was immigration going to be managed.

Now it's certainly true that the Government should have had a plan for the Leave outcome, but exactly how do they form this plan? What exactly have the people in the UK voted for? We know what they've voted against, but do we know exactly what they want? Do they want to cut all ties with the EU and forego the free trade agreement etc?

The Leave campaign should have had an alternative for people to vote for. They haven't. I think the point the commentator was making was that the Leave campaign should have had a desired outcome and the Government should have had a plan. Both came up with neither which is why he pointed to Sturgeon as the guy who has thought this through the most.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Don't they? Seems like you're getting ahead of yourself there a little bit.

Fair enough but from their reactions since Cameron quit it doesn't seem like too much of a leap to suggest they both expected Cameron to be the one doing the dirty work involved in actually leaving. If they didn't expect to be in charge it wouldn't be that surprising to think they don't have a plan.

We shall see.

Regardless of who did what or who should have done it I would be concerned, if I was British, that there doesn't seem to be any structure or leadership making decisions right now.

wp_rathead

https://twitter.com/jonnycherry/status/747045489359597568?s=09

irishbucsfan

molloyjh wrote: »

I think the problem here is around what exactly the Leave campaign were actually campaigning for. The selling points for a Leave vote should have consisted of a list of things that were going to happen as a result of the Leave vote. What was going to happen to trade, how was immigration going to be managed.

Now it's certainly true that the Government should have had a plan for the Leave outcome, but exactly how do they form this plan? What exactly have the people in the UK voted for? We know what they've voted against, but do we know exactly what they want? Do they want to cut all ties with the EU and forego the free trade agreement etc?

The Leave campaign should have had an alternative for people to vote for. They haven't. I think the point the commentator was making was that the Leave campaign should have had a desired outcome and the Government should have had a plan. Both came up with neither which is why he pointed to Sturgeon as the guy who has thought this through the most.

A referendum isn't an election.

What you're looking for is a complete and utter non-starter. You're asking for one side of a referendum (which itself had multiple sides!) to agree on a platform for government between them, despite them coming from completely different political parties and ideologies. That's not what a referendum is for. It's about as unrealistic as expecting the Tory and Labour governments in the Remain campaign to agree on a platform for government.

That is what will be happening now however within the Conservative government and it should be what is happening now in what remains of the Labour opposition. Gove and Johnson are reportedly negotiating exactly that while Labour need to come together and agree on what they should be doing in opposition.

molloyjh

swiwi_ wrote: »

Don't think this forum should be preachy given Ireland had 2 goes at each of the Lisbon treaties IIRC. The moral high ground is barely more than a mound.

Technically we voted on 2 different things re Lisbon. We said No. They came back and asked why. A large proportion of the No vote said they didn't know why they voted No. The majority of the remainder voted No for things that were never in the Treaty in the first place. So the EU added an addendum to the Treaty that basically listed the main issues for the No vote and promised them that those things weren't actually in the Treaty. After receiving those assurances as part of the Treaty we were asked to vote again.

Also a second referendum is no less democratic than the first. You're as capable of saying No the second time as the first.

The problem here is that people want the right to vote but a lot of people don't want the responsibility that voting entails, which is to educate themselves on what they are voting on. If you can't trust the people to make informed decisions then are referenda not hugely dangerous despite the best of intentions?

molloyjh

swiwi_ wrote: »

Don't think this forum should be preachy given Ireland had 2 goes at each of the Lisbon treaties IIRC. The moral high ground is barely more than a mound.

Technically we voted on 2 different things re Lisbon. We said No. They came back and asked why. A large proportion of the No vote said they didn't know why they voted No. The majority of the remainder voted No for things that were never in the Treaty in the first place. So the EU added an addendum to the Treaty that basically listed the main issues for the No vote and promised them that those things weren't actually in the Treaty. After receiving those assurances as part of the Treaty we were asked to vote again.

Also a second referendum is no less democratic than the first. You're as capable of saying No the second time as the first.

The problem here is that people want the right to vote but a lot of people don't want the responsibility that voting entails, which is to educate themselves on what they are voting on. If you can't trust the people to make informed decisions then are referenda not hugely dangerous despite the best of intentions?

DGRulz

So ... this has been a horrible weekend for Irish sport

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

DGRulz wrote: »

So ... this has been a horrible weekend for Irish sport

Yep.

Irish women 7's team lost in the SF of the Olympics qualifiers today too.

DGRulz

Every team I was supporting this weekend lost. All the various Irish teams and Team Remain.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Saw a slightly longer version of that clip from Sky News and he was talking to a Tory MP who is backing Johnson for Tory leadership.

OldRio

DGRulz wrote: »

Every team I was supporting this weekend lost. All the various Irish teams and Team Remain.

Yup. I've had better weekends that's for sure.

Felix Jones is God

This weekend has been so bad I'm almost looking forward to logging on here tomorrow and seeing pages and pages of redacted GOT posts so as not to be able to see any more shïte

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Felix Jones is God wrote: »

This weekend has been so bad I'm almost looking forward to logging on here tomorrow and seeing pages and pages of redacted GOT posts so as not to be able to see any more shïte

How will Brexit impact on GOT, I wonder?

wp_rathead

Going to Independently Day 2, hopefully it cheers me up

Felix Jones is God

wp_rathead wrote: »

Going to Independently Day 2, hopefully it cheers me up

Independently.....you're going on your own you mean?

wp_rathead

Forever alone

Neil3030

Small crumb of good news, I found my dental retainer (yes, even in my 30s I still wear it at night) in a laundry hamper, so saved myself a few hundred quid getting a new one made.

pickarooney

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

How will Brexit impact on GOT, I wonder?

The Lannister millions will be used to service the Westeros Health Service now they don't have to take orders from that blonde woman in the east.

Neil3030

I think

I should really start watching Game of Thrones because it seems to be quite popular...

Neil3030

Neil3030 wrote: »

I think

I should really start watching Game of Thrones because it seems to be quite popular...

It got so popular .ak had to stop watching it...

wp_rathead

Independence Day was exactly what I needed - ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh so good

mfceiling

Neil3030 wrote: »

Small crumb of good news, I found my dental retainer (yes, even in my 30s I still wear it at night) in a laundry hamper, so saved myself a few hundred quid getting a new one made.

Well I hid my young ones IPad mini on account of her bad behaviour. Trouble is I hid it so well that nobody can find it. It's been 2 weeks now and she's going more mental by the day.

Hi alzhimers *waves*

irishbucsfan

mfceiling wrote: »

Well I hid my young ones IPad mini on account of her bad behaviour. Trouble is I hid it so well that nobody can find it. It's been 2 weeks now and she's going more mental by the day.

Hi alzhimers *waves*

Haha that's brilliant

bilston

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Felix Jones is God wrote: »

This weekend has been so bad I'm almost looking forward to logging on here tomorrow and seeing pages and pages of redacted GOT posts so as not to be able to see any more sh te

How will Brexit impact on GOT, I wonder?

Cut in funding so it can no longer be filmed in NI?!

connemara man

bilston wrote: »

Cut in funding so it can no longer be filmed in NI?!

It should all be filmed by the time happens in real terms so it won't or shouldn't have any effect on it.

Film making in the UK might take a dip as a lot of things are coming funded with European money so it's an industry that could take a hit

irishbucsfan

connemara man wrote: »

It should all be filmed by the time happens in real terms so it won't or shouldn't have any effect on it.

Film making in the UK might take a dip as a lot of things are coming funded with European money so it's an industry that could take a hit

HBO have already said there'd be no impact.

Film making might take a dip. Or it might get a huge boost. Completely depends on what happens.

Synode

molloyjh wrote: »

Technically we voted on 2 different things re Lisbon. We said No. They came back and asked why. A large proportion of the No vote said they didn't know why they voted No. The majority of the remainder voted No for things that were never in the Treaty in the first place. So the EU added an addendum to the Treaty that basically listed the main issues for the No vote and promised them that those things weren't actually in the Treaty. After receiving those assurances as part of the Treaty we were asked to vote again.

Also a second referendum is no less democratic than the first. You're as capable of saying No the second time as the first.

The problem here is that people want the right to vote but a lot of people don't want the responsibility that voting entails, which is to educate themselves on what they are voting on. If you can't trust the people to make informed decisions then are referenda not hugely dangerous despite the best of intentions?

Really annoys me when people talk about these referendums without acknowledging the fact that additional assurances were negotiated before the second votes. The line is always that "they" would have kept going until "they" got the result they wanted, which is complete bullsh1t

connemara man

irishbucsfan wrote: »

HBO have already said there'd be no impact.

Film making might take a dip. Or it might get a huge boost. Completely depends on what happens.

Ah yeah I read that from HBO. Second last season is starting filming soon so that money has been is in place and more than likely everything is in place for the last.

All about the tax breaks.

If the studio's in Limerick and Galway take off. Films could be spread a lot more around the island. There are huge savings to be made just by filming near a studio.

Neil3030

Sure we've mountains in Kerry just film it down there?

Neil3030

mfceiling wrote: »

Well I hid my young ones IPad mini on account of her bad behaviour. Trouble is I hid it so well that nobody can find it. It's been 2 weeks now and she's going more mental by the day.

Hi alzhimers *waves*

You're being played man. She probably found it a few minutes after you hid it, rehid it, and is now sitting back while you descend into a panic over your inevitable cognitive decline. Also, she'll probably get a new iPad.

Evil ****ing geniuses, kids.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

connemara man wrote: »

It should all be filmed by the time happens in real terms so it won't or shouldn't have any effect on it.

Film making in the UK might take a dip as a lot of things are coming funded with European money so it's an industry that could take a hit

Northern Irish film industry could take a hit. There was an Arts Show special on the industry there recently and they were saying that something like GOT pretty much takes up all their talent and they don't have the resources to take on anything on too big a scale while it's there. They were saying that a lot of projects they have at the moment they have to get people in from the Republic to staff them. Obviously it depends on what the negotiations bring but of there's any restrictions on working there or movement between the two they could have problems. There's also a few training schemes aimed at increasing the pool of technical staff and other projects that are EU funded.

Long story short GOT is unlikely to be effected but the NI film industry as a whole could be.

connemara man

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Northern Irish film industry could take a hit. There was an Arts Show special on the industry there recently and they were saying that something like GOT pretty much takes up all their talent and they don't have the resources to take on anything on too big a scale while it's there. They were saying that a lot of projects they have at the moment they have to get people in from the Republic to staff them. Obviously it depends on what the negotiations bring but of there's any restrictions on working there or movement between the two they could have problems. There's also a few training schemes aimed at increasing the pool of technical staff and other projects that are EU funded.

Long story short GOT is unlikely to be effected but the NI film industry as a whole could be.

I'm one of the people that are freelancing up north at the minute. And I joked saying we'll be dealing with visas if the official exit is before next season of the show I'm working on. And my boss looked genuinely worried.

It's a kick in the teeth really as a lot of people have put in a lot of effort to make NI a viable filming location for this to happen. There's also the knock on effect on tourism and hospitality.

DGRulz

So, that last episode of GoT ... wow, just ... wow ...

I haven't actually seen it yet, I'm just preempting

awec

DGRulz wrote: »

So, that last episode of GoT ... wow, just ... wow ...

I haven't actually seen it yet, I'm just preempting

"wow" is a fair adjective.

Brilliant episode, possibly better than last week.

I'm hoping Game Of Thrones is good because basically since 10pm last Thursday nothing has gone well!

thomond2006

GoT Ep10:

Crazy death toll of characters in that episode. In the past the season finale has been a 'calm down' episode but...wow.

awec

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm hoping Game Of Thrones is good because basically since 10pm last Thursday nothing has gone well!

Arguably the best episode ever. Not your standard season ender.

The music in the show this week is phenomenal.

Amazing that that episode is one of the best movies I've seen in years.

awec

Deleted User wrote: »

Amazing that that episode is one of the best movies I've seen in years.

At the end of every scene for about the last 20 minutes I kept thinking that the credits were going to appear, only for another awesome scene to follow!

awec

awec wrote: »

Arguably the best episode ever. Not your standard season ender.

The music in the show this week is phenomenal.

I normally don't pay much attention to the music in anything, but I really noticed it this week and it was superb.

Emilee Bitter Ginseng

Emilee Bitter Ginseng wrote: »

I normally don't pay much attention to the music in anything, but I really noticed it this week and it was superb.

Here is the track. Terrific piece of music:

SPOILERS FOR GOT.

Do not read if you haven't seen the most recent episode.

Hard to know where we're left now. As Jon says the real war is with the dead in the north.

In terms of the rest of the actors, Dany looks to be in by far the strongest position. Even without the dragons her army probably dwarfs anyone else. The dragons will also be the best bet against the dead you would think.

Cersei, what cards does she have left to play? Lure people into Kings Landing and blow the rest of it up? Same for the north, their armies must be decimated at this point. They could probably hold off the south if they took the Twins but to what end?

I'm waiting for some disaster to befall Dany. Euron to attack them, or a storm to sink half the fleet, or something else cheap that comes out of the blue.

The last two episodes have been quite superb.

thomond2006

GoT Episode 10

I imagine Cersei will become a tyrant ruler. She lived only for her children, her one redeeming factor, and now they're gone. The parallels are there with the Mad King, Cersei 'burned them all' to dispose of her enemies.

thomond2006

thomond2006 wrote: »

GoT Episode 10

I imagine Cersei will become a tyrant ruler. She lived only for her children, her one redeeming factor, and now they're gone. The parallels are there with the Mad King, Cersei 'burned them all' to dispose of her enemies.

I see basically no difference with her being named Queen now and when she wasn't (the bit where she was in prison aside), because for a long time now she has been making all the major decisions in Kings Landing anyway. She didn't need to be Queen to blow up the Sept, etc.

And since she cause they death of their son, I'd imagine Jaime isn't exactly delighted with her anymore either. How strong are the Lannisters now anyway?

molloyjh

Well I went to Brighton for a gig yesterday. St Paul & The Broken Bones. I've seen some good acts before but these guys were truly amazing. Mind totally blown.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

molloyjh wrote: »

Well I went to Brighton for a gig yesterday. St Paul & The Broken Bones. I've seen some good acts before but these guys were truly amazing. Mind totally blown.

Saw them on BBC's Glastonbury coverage over the weekend. Singer looks a bit like a chubby Alan Carr. Good voice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SmECmN4ywk