The Night Of (HBO)

retro:electro

I'd be suspicious of the neighbour who called the cops too, the guy in the dressing gown

Fred Swanson

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DiarmAFC

Been binge watching this and have caught up with tonight's finale, however I was wondering does anybody know what time it would be available to watch it online/streaming? Don't think I can wait till it comes out on Sky Atlantic.

Atlantic Dawn

DiarmAFC wrote: »

Been binge watching this and have caught up with tonight's finale, however I was wondering does anybody know what time it would be available to watch it online/streaming? Don't think I can wait till it comes out on Sky Atlantic.

9pm (2am Irish time) start, 10.45pm finish (3.45am Irish time) HBO, I'd say circa 6am Irish time so to speak :pac:

InTheTrees

I hate the art direction.

Can nobody turn on a light? And why does the court room look like it has raw cement walls? Dark and dingy is okay at times but they're pushing it too far.

InTheTrees

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

If I was to guess who killed her my prime suspects in order of who I think did it are...

• The victims mothers boyfriend or was he her husband
• The undertaker hearse driver
• The 2nd lad who spotted them going in to the house but wasn't questioned
• The lad who spotted them going in to the house and was questioned

I think there's some lazy writing in introducing these major revelations close to the end.

Charlie19

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

http://www.deadline.com/2014/04/john-turturro-to-replace-robert-de-niro-as-james-gandolfinis-successor-in-hbo-mini-criminal-justice/


John Turturro replaces Robert De Niro

I'm delighted Turturro got the part, Brilliant actor and perfect for this role.

Two episodes in I'm loving it.

Have to unfollow this thread now before I read any spoilers.

ERG89

The way the trial ended was so unsatisfying, the jury couldn't make up their mind so he gets away cause the DA figured he wasn't worth prosecuting. I guess the financial adviser was the murderer? But they never showed the scene or anyone being arrested/charged. Despite the extended episode length.

david75

Really enjoyed that finale. The verdict was the most realistic one in my mind.

PropJoe10

Thought that was great.

Didnt think there was any other way they could've ended the trial, bar Box jumping up and making a speech about the financial consultant. Very good series indeed. Loved the last scene with the cat!

yabadabado

A good show probably not as good as the pilot hinted it might be,a few too many scenes did nothing to move the story on.

Overall I think the trial ending was the best way out but it is crazy to think how they could let a person go to jail even though the new evidence put a huge amount of suspicion on the finance dude.

Fred Swanson

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yabadabado

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I never watched the original show,is it worth checking out ?

Fred Swanson

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LuckyLloyd

Turturro's address when it finally came was spine tingling. As a feature length episode, it could have stood almost on its own two feet. Arguably as good as the first episode, it was filled with tension and bleak reminders about how most people are flawed in one way or another. I liked the ultimately sombre conclusion - and I never once assumed we would get anything else.

LuckyLloyd

Also loved the cynicism about the system right up to the end, as a big rush of music when he's been let out through a door culminates in...two more minutes of footage of him getting signed through various other gates and doors.

Cina

It was great.

People who came into the finale expecting a satisfying and resolute conclusion to the show clearly weren't getting the theme of it. I thought Stone's line "beyond reasonable doubt has no meaning" in his excellently acted speech really summed the show up. We don't always get the answers we want, we won't always know for sure who did it, and even though it seems clear that it was Ray Halle, and not Naz, there is still that lingering doubt, and because of the jury's standstill, the shadow will always be hanging over Naz.

I'd say it's overall an 8/10 show. Great pilot, great finale, but a few slow episodes and stumbling blocks in between.

One thing I will simply not forgive is the Chandra kiss, though, it was so dumb. And it turned out to be completely pointless aside from ruining the career of the character. Daft.

Mc Love

Great ending to the show, really didnt expect a feature length episode.

Jimdagym

Couple of thoughts

1) The solicitor smuggling drugs seems pointless when you think the buy was caught on camera and also the kiss was caught, and used, by the prison camera. Strange way to add something and go nowhere. I know it does show the lengths she will go to to help him out, and ultimately back fire on her (putting him on the stand), but still.
2) There was a big strop by the coppers early on about wasting their time when the evidence was transported out of procedure (chain of custody broken) yet this never featured in the trial, again, why show it if ultimately it never mattered.

All in all small niggles and I really enjoyed the show. Notwithstanding

Naz turning dark in prison quicker than anyone on the history of prison.

yabadabado

What was the time line of the show from picking up the fare to the end of trial?
I dont think it was ever mentioned .

Fred Swanson

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yabadabado

I was thinking it wouldn't be that much of a stretch for Naz to change over the course of the show.I was thinking he would have been locked up for a year at least.

Mc Love

Jimdagym wrote: »

. Notwithstanding

Naz turning dark in prison quicker than anyone on the history of prison.

He did it to survive - he'd probably end up being somebodys beeatch or dead.

Cina

yabadabado wrote: »

What was the time line of the show from picking up the fare to the end of trial?
I dont think it was ever mentioned .

It was a few times, there were date stamps on the video cameras. It looks like around six months total. Seemed to be Q3 2014 to Feb 2015.

Chain Smoker

Surprised how tightly it all wrapped up in the end tbh. The way it was meandering midseason made it seem a guarantee that he'd be convicted with a bunch of holes in the case for season 2 to dig into. Glad it didn't go to a second season but the pacing retrospectively is baffling.

InTheTrees

Wasn't impressed by the ending. The trial was really badly done. The amount of leading questions and irrelevant answers was unrealistic. The witnesses speculated with no objections by the other lawyers. The examination of the step father made it seem obvious he hadn't consulted a lawyer which was odd. What was up with the display of blood stained evidence in the court? The blood stained lamp was needlessly obvious. And none of them used gloves.

pickarooney

I loved the judge. And Nas' admission that he didn't know if he killed her leaving him, the prosecutor, the jury and the audience with reasonable doubt.

maximoose

First episode was great TV.

Everything after that though..... Such bad pacing of the series, with silly plot threads that lead nowhere, daft character changes and questionable motivations, some awful acting and terrible scripting.

Stuck with it as I just wanted to see the outcome but thinking back about it now it was all pretty poor which is a shame, could have been great.

Ben Gadot

InTheTrees wrote: »

I hate the art direction.

Can nobody turn on a light? And why does the court room look like it has raw cement walls? Dark and dingy is okay at times but they're pushing it too far.

I thought the ****tiness of the court room, the police stations, schools, apartments, etc....added nicely to the mood in a realistic manner. I mean this is Queens, New York. I wouldn't have expected any pristine, positively lit, buildings.

Anyway, for me it was an exceptional character study with excellent acting all round.

As a mystery/crime drama, not so much. There were too many swerve jobs for my like, such as ignoring Andrea's strange and almost knowing behaviour with Nas,

and the jury deadlocking after making Nas look like a dead man walking.

So ultimately, while I didn't feel as strongly about it as the critics, I can't say enough for the actors. Riz Ahmed, John Turturro, Jeannie Berlin and Bill Camp were all stunning.

The shot of Nas in the same place he was with Andrea with a crack pipe was heartbreaking scenes I've ever experienced.

InTheTrees

Ben Gadot wrote: »

I thought the ****tiness of the court room, the police stations, schools, apartments, etc....added nicely to the mood in a realistic manner. I mean this is Queens, New York. I wouldn't have expected any pristine, positively lit, buildings.

Well there's nothing wrong with Queens. There's plenty of well lit civic buildings there.

And I assumed the trial was in Manhattan? Thats where the murder was committed and thats where Naz was arrested.

mass_debater

It wasn't crack, it's heroin. Heroin is white in the States

MargeS

yabadabado wrote: »

Overall I think the trial ending was the best way out but it is crazy to think how they could let a person go to jail even though the new evidence put a huge amount of suspicion on the finance dude.

It's all about the win for the DA.... needing to have someone 'go down' for the crime.
The ending did lead us to believe that she and Box would get the

finance guy

though. It might clear Nas' name but his life is changed forever.

Peace

MargeS wrote: »

It's all about the win for the DA.... needing to have someone 'go down' for the crime.
The ending did lead us to believe that she and Box would get the

finance guy

though. It might clear Nas' name but his life is changed forever.

Given the amount of evidence that was on Nas there is no chance they would get a jury past reasonable doubt for the other guy.

Boom_Bap

I was nearly standing up in my sitting room applauding when the credits rolled for me last night on the last episode.
The way the show evolved from a night out, to murder, police investigation, to prison life to the court room....and showed the evolution of both Nas and Stone, bloody brilliant.
The changes in pace of the story mirrored the current setting, for example when in prison, things felt like they were moving slowly.

I want more.

wong

Were my eyes deceiving me or did I see a Limerick jersey in the bar scene in episode 7.

Fred Swanson

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Boom_Bap

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Is it called The Night Of or something different?

mass_debater

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Is it called The Night Of or something different?

It's called Criminal Justice
https://g.co/kgs/YIzPuI

Liam McPoyle

Started off well but just went completely off the rails towards the end.

The lawyer bringing drugs in, Nas turning pure gangsta in a matter of weeks, the entire courtroom process was ludicrous with the questioning outrageously stupid.

Just preposterous stuff.

The only consistently good thing was Turtorro.

Such a good actor.

david75

Not 100% sure but I read somewhere the timeline of the series takes place over months. Not weeks. It feels quick as its such a short series but in reality a case wouldn't go to trial nor have the trial over and done as quickly. You're meant to assume it's going over months.

Chain Smoker

david75 wrote: »

Not 100% sure but I read somewhere the timeline of the series takes place I've months. Not weeks. It feels quick as its such a short series but in reality a case wouldn't go to trial nor have the trial over and done as quickly. You're meant to assume it's going over months.

"we're deadlocked"
"are you sure of that?"
"yes, we are"
"are you really?"
"yes"
"...really?"
"yes"
"okay, lets throw out the case, you're free"


Bit silly but spectacularly anticlimactic at least

retro:electro

So disappointed with the ending. They could have done something really different and interesting. I was half thinking Naz was going to be killed on his way out of prison, even that would have been mildly satisfying. Just felt a bit flat at the way it ended. We still don't know who did it, we don't even know if the jury thought he did it.. Just a whole load of nothingness.

Bellerstring

Saul T Nutzz wrote: »

Started off well but just went completely off the rails towards the end.

The lawyer bringing drugs in, Nas turning pure gangsta in a matter of weeks, the entire courtroom process was ludicrous with the questioning outrageously stupid.

Just preposterous stuff.

The only consistently good thing was Turtorro.

Such a good actor.

Couldn't agree more.
Turturro was brilliant throughout.
First episode was edge of the seat stuff, but the story of a mild mannered Muslim school kid, who was too shy to date girls, turning into a badass gangsta muthafuka, who seduces his lawyer and gets her to bring in smack or crack up her front bum.....I mean, WTF???

jcsoulinger

anna080 wrote: »

So disappointed with the ending. They could have done something really different and interesting. I was half thinking Naz was going to be killed on his way out of prison, even that would have been mildly satisfying. Just felt a bit flat at the way it ended. We still don't know who did it, we don't even know if the jury thought he did it.. Just a whole load of nothingness.

I feel the same the ending was so meh, I'm not too concerned about who actually committed the murder though, the story was about Naz and that did reach a conclusion. Was it not that half the jury thought he did it and half didnt beyond a reasonable doubt?

It started out great but went down hill round episode five, him going gangster in prison was a bit ott but did add to my enjoyment of the show, the relationship between Naz and the young lawyer and the drug smuggling scene however were completely unnecessary and only detracted from the story which was a pity.

As others have said Turturro was the best part of the show, hopefully get to see more of him in an other role.

Was there not any question about the lack of blood on Naz and his clothes considering the state of the murder scene? could have been an obvious oversight by the writers or maybe I'm missing something.

retro:electro

jcsoulinger wrote: »

I feel the same the ending was so meh, I'm not too concerned about who actually committed the murder though, the story was about Naz and that did reach a conclusion. Was it not that half the jury thought he did it and half didnt beyond a reasonable doubt?

It started out great but went down hill round episode five, him going gangster in prison was a bit ott but did add to my enjoyment of the show, the relationship between Naz and the young lawyer and the drug smuggling scene however were completely unnecessary and only detracted from the story which was a pity.

As others have said Turturro was the best part of the show, hopefully get to see more of him in an other role.

Was there not any question about the lack of blood on Naz and his clothes considering the state of the murder scene? could have been an obvious oversight by the writers or maybe I'm missing something.

I know but the fact that the jury didn't come up with a conclusive decision was kind of disappointing. I just feel like the ending was a bit of a cop out. I didn't make me feel happy or sad, just meh. I didn't feel it was a rewarding or worthy ending to a show which had such a remarkable opening episode. As a viewer I feel no better off than I did on episode one, I haven't gained anything. Some fantastic acting however.

Boom_Bap

anna080 wrote: »

I know but the fact that the jury didn't come up with a conclusive decision was kind of disappointing. I just feel like the ending was a bit of a cop out. I didn't make me feel happy or sad, just meh. I didn't feel it was a rewarding or worthy ending to a show which had such a remarkable opening episode. As a viewer I feel no better off than I did on episode one, I haven't gained anything. Some fantastic acting however.

I think the bolded bit is indicative of how everyone swayed at some point.
His mother, Boggs, his father's friends, the female lawyer that took the case....and the jury was a 6/6 split.
So even people close to him couldn't decide either.

SB_Part2

I just finished watching it. I don't really know how I feel about it. I wasn't blown away by it. I'm not rushing to tell people to watch it if that makes sense.

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stesaurus

I liked there was nothing decisive about the ending. We don't get clean cut answers in real life and this mirrored that.
Plenty of sidetracks that went nowhere, arresting cops should have been off duty, chain of evidence broken. Missed window for breath test. Missed evidence. Lots of suspicious suspects. I loved all that. Plenty to ponder on without being spoonfed answers. So often now we've learned with tv that anything mentioned is there for a reason, well not in this case.

It took place over 3-4 months. Timestamps were shown for the night of at the toll plaza, October 24th 2014, and also the kiss with the lawyer, sometime in Feb but can't remember.

ButtersSuki

Finished it yesterday. TBH, despite the excellent acting, I'm both frustrated and disappointed by it. It was far too rushed in too many places and would have been better served by a 20+ episode run or the telling of the tale over a couple of seasons (at least); and it wasted too much time focusing on non-essential detail in others (the feet - as mentioned by many others from skimming the thread). The same story delivered over a much longer time period would have

given Naz's transformation far more credibility and would have allowed for a deeper exploration of the other suspects. It may even have allowed the kiss storyline with his lawyer become a little more believable - presented as it was it simply wasn't credible (and that's before I even mention the drug smuggling).

What was somewhat chilling for me however was

the DA's assertion that "we have more on the kid" when Box presented here with new evidence prior to closing. Just shows the system to be about hitting numbers and solving crimes, whether you have the right perpetrator or not.

Ultimately though, it failed to deliver on the high standards set in the 1st episode.

If you liked it however, check out the very-underrated and superior Damages (particularly Seasons 1-3) which has all the acting chops displayed here, but better attention to detail and much more room and time to allow the stories in each season to develop. Also has some actors that feature in both btw.

On Turturro, I'm genuinely shocked at the number of people who expressed a variety of surprised emotions at how good Turturro is/he should be in more etc. I'm just curious what you've been watching up to this point?! Turturro is a favourite of Spike Lee and the Coen Brothers amongst others (and Adam Sandler too, but let's maybe skip over that one...:D:rolleyes:). Check out those directors movies amongst others if you need to see more of him.