DB Pay Rises sought

LastStop · 07-10-2016 4:43pm

trellheim wrote: »

When is the ballot result due in ? Tonight or tomorrow morning ?

Around 5pm. News talk have mentioned it numerous times today.

GM228 · 07-10-2016 5:05pm

The deal has been accepted.

ITV2 · 07-10-2016 5:10pm

Siptu 58% for 42% against
Nbru 79% for 21% against.

LastStop · 07-10-2016 5:11pm

GM228 wrote: »

The deal has been accepted.

Nbru accepted 79 to 21

58 42 from siptu

trellheim · 07-10-2016 5:28pm

Two of the unions have voted to accept the deal. I was wrong ! The unions swallowed the productivity ! Proof that pigs will fly.

LastStop · 07-10-2016 5:35pm

trellheim wrote: »

Two of the unions have voted to accept the deal. I was wrong ! The unions swallowed the productivity ! Proof that pigs will fly.

Fear won over anger. I spoke to very few people who SAID they would vote yes but common sense seems to have won out.

thomasj · 07-10-2016 5:53pm

Does anyone know how many strike days we've had since it started?

hmmm · 07-10-2016 7:28pm

Any idea when the LUAS parity strike is due to be held?

Tickityboo · 07-10-2016 7:37pm

hmmm wrote: »

Any idea when the LUAS parity strike is due to be held?

Yawn!!

trellheim · 07-10-2016 8:03pm

The deal has a committee set up to examine that very issue.

Bass Reeves · 07-10-2016 10:11pm

LastStop wrote: »

Fear won over anger. I spoke to very few people who SAID they would vote yes but common sense seems to have won out.

There is an old saying the quite pig eats the meal. I have seen this very often in union votes. Miltants are very vocal and a large portion of workers will not argue against them. However when it comes to the vote this silent majority is heard.

Stephen15 · 07-10-2016 11:13pm

So does this mean it's all over. Would I be right in saying the TSSA and UNITE ballots are fairly irrelevant as they are fairly small minority and most the staff they represent are only administrative which don't involve keeping buses on the road like drivers and maintenence.

mobpd · 14-10-2016 8:39am

How many strike days were there?

Can we all with leap cards now go to o connell street office to get our cash refunds?

punisher5112 · 14-10-2016 10:14am

mobpd wrote: »

How many strike days were there?

Can we all with leap cards now go to o connell street office to get our cash refunds?

6 only if you have tax saver on your leap or annual etc.

It was published and has been mentioned on here quite a good few times.

LXFlyer · 14-10-2016 10:22am

This link should tell you all you need to know:

http://www.dublinbus.ie/News-Centre/General-News/Advice-for-Customers-on-Refunds-due-to-Industrial-Action/

thomasj · 14-10-2016 10:56am

They're issuing refunds of 40 euro.

You can go in and collect it now from db HQ. All you need is your leap card go in and they will swipe it to make sure it has a monthly or annual and then get you to sign that you collected your refund.

MOH · 14-10-2016 12:48pm

thomasj wrote: »

They're issuing refunds of 40 euro.

You can go in and collect it now from db HQ. All you need is your leap card go in and they will swipe it to make sure it has a monthly or annual and then get you to sign that you collected your refund.

Wow, that's pretty pathetic.

Have you been massively inconvenienced trying to get to work by multiple days of strikes? No problem, we'll give you a refund. Just take time off to come into our office during working hours.

LXFlyer · 14-10-2016 1:17pm

MOH wrote: »

Wow, that's pretty pathetic.

Have you been massively inconvenienced trying to get to work by multiple days of strikes? No problem, we'll give you a refund. Just take time off to come into our office during working hours.

As an aside the office is open on Saturday and Sunday mornings as well. Not just working hours.

end of the road · 14-10-2016 2:14pm

MOH wrote: »

Wow, that's pretty pathetic.

Have you been massively inconvenienced trying to get to work by multiple days of strikes? No problem, we'll give you a refund. Just take time off to come into our office during working hours.

yes, so they can check your card to insure you have a claim. sounds fair enough to me.

MOH · 14-10-2016 2:42pm

end of the road wrote: »

yes, so they can check your card to insure you have a claim. sounds fair enough to me.

Somehow that doesn't surprise me.

So the only record of what tickets are loaded onto what card is the card itself? There's no database holding that information which could be used to automatically apply credit to the card next time it's topped up?

I find that hard to believe. It sounds amazingly open to fraud.

dazberry · 14-10-2016 2:52pm

lxflyer wrote: »

As an aside the office is open on Saturday and Sunday mornings as well. Not just working hours.

Customer Information and Ticket Sales Monday 08:30 to 17:30
Customer Information and Ticket Sales Tuesday to Friday 09:00 to 17:30
Customer Information and Ticket Sales Saturday 09:00 to 14:00
Ticket Sales Sunday and Public Holidays 09:30 to 14:00

You can't get a refund on a Sunday as it is Ticket Sales only.

D.

end of the road · 14-10-2016 3:22pm

MOH wrote: »

Somehow that doesn't surprise me.

So the only record of what tickets are loaded onto what card is the card itself? There's no database holding that information which could be used to automatically apply credit to the card next time it's topped up?

I find that hard to believe. It sounds amazingly open to fraud.

i'm sure they're probably is a database and they want to check the card against it.

punisher5112 · 14-10-2016 4:26pm

Leap is not run by db so may well fall under data protection and all that fun stuff.

john boye · 16-10-2016 9:55am

thomasj wrote: »

They're issuing refunds of 40 euro.

You can go in and collect it now from db HQ. All you need is your leap card go in and they will swipe it to make sure it has a monthly or annual and then get you to sign that you collected your refund.

Are they issuing refunds now? Website still says they won't be until the dispute is resolved

thomasj · 16-10-2016 10:36am

john boye wrote:

Are they issuing refunds now? Website still says they won't be until the dispute is resolved

They are. They started a few days ago.

Stephen15 · 16-10-2016 11:38am

john boye wrote: »

Are they issuing refunds now? Website still says they won't be until the dispute is resolved

I thought the dispute was resolved unions accepted a 11.5% increase or did I miss something

Collie D · 16-10-2016 11:46am

I'd imagine a lot of people with annual passes on their card would have no need to have €40 added to their Leap balance so this gives them the option to get cash rather than having it automatically applied to card.

As for fraud I assume the card has to be present and swiped so that would rule that out

thomasj · 16-10-2016 12:36pm

Collie D wrote:

I'd imagine a lot of people with annual passes on their card would have no need to have â‚¬40 added to their Leap balance so this gives them the option to get cash rather than having it automatically applied to card.

Collie D wrote:

As for fraud I assume the card has to be present and swiped so that would rule that out

Yep that's the case. And sure if you want the 40 on your leap card all you need to do is go to the nearest shop that does leap and top it up using the cash you got.

thomasj · 16-10-2016 12:37pm

Stephen15 wrote:

I thought the dispute was resolved unions accepted a 11.5% increase or did I miss something

It is resolved. They have been giving out refunds for the last few days.

MOH · 17-10-2016 10:23am

Collie D wrote: »

I'd imagine a lot of people with annual passes on their card would have no need to have €40 added to their Leap balance so this gives them the option to get cash rather than having it automatically applied to card.

Fair point about the credit.

But it's still ridiculous that everyone who wants a refund has to go to O'Connell St.
Is there something radically different from how Luas monthly/annual tickets work? How come Transdev were able to do it for the Luas by sending in a form?

Dravokivich · 17-10-2016 10:41am

MOH wrote: »

Fair point about the credit.

But it's still ridiculous that everyone who wants a refund has to go to O'Connell St.
Is there something radically different from how Luas monthly/annual tickets work? How come Transdev were able to do it for the Luas by sending in a form?

The refund would be categoriesd as a "Top-Up." Top-Ups can't be distributed through Dublin Bus' leap equipment.

edit:

Scratch that, just reading back I didn't notice they were refunding as cash. This really does seem like something that had little thought put into it. But refunds have always been done through O'Connell St.

Collie D · 17-10-2016 1:46pm

Just went around on lunch and can confirm it's cash only. Did ask could it be credited to Leap card but was told no. Lunch out and a few pints tonight for football so happy enough

kidneyfan · 19-10-2016 6:33pm

Fair play to the drivers for sorting us all out with the few quid.

Jamie2k9 · 06-02-2017 3:06pm

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/union-warns-of-ballot-for-strike-at-dublin-bus-in-row-over-pensions-1.2964624

Union warns of ballot for strike at Dublin Bus in row over pensions

The row at Dublin Bus relates to the implementation of the agreement which ended the strike last September. Under this deal, the overall 11.25 per cent increase over three years was to become reckonable for pension purposes from the beginning of February.

It is understood that at talks last week, unions were asked to agree to a further deferral of this deadline to facilitate negotiations on pension reforms across the broader CIE group of State transport companies.

hmmm · 06-02-2017 9:38pm

You have to wonder just how much more of the endless strike threats the public will put up with. The public sector unions, particularly the transport unions, are playing with fire - the BE strike in particular looks unsolvable without a public bailout, and I can't see that happening.

n97 mini · 07-02-2017 1:01am

hmmm wrote: »

You have to wonder just how much more of the endless strike threats the public will put up with.

Virtually infinite. They've been going on for years, and aside from tut tutting there hasn't been any backlash from the public.

eeguy · 07-02-2017 1:17am

n97 mini wrote: »

Virtually infinite. They've been going on for years, and aside from tut tutting there hasn't been any backlash from the public.

There was a lot of disgust over the Luas strike last year. Shame no one had the balls to call them out.

Idbatterim · 07-02-2017 1:38am

2000 applied for 29 luas cross city driver jobs. Safe to say with those numbers, in a non blackmailable private company, you wouldn't be on 35k after one year and a few week training course ...

eeguy · 07-02-2017 1:45am

Idbatterim wrote: »

2000 applied for 29 luas cross city driver jobs. Safe to say with those numbers, in a non blackmailable private company, you wouldn't be on 35k after one year and a few week training course ...

Not year one. Pay for year two is a touch under 35k:
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/more-than-2000-people-applied-for-the-29-new-luas-cross-city-jobs-35429444.html

end of the road · 07-02-2017 2:40am

Idbatterim wrote: »

2000 applied for 29 luas cross city driver jobs. Safe to say with those numbers, in a non blackmailable private company, you wouldn't be on 35k after one year and a few week training course ...

a non blackmailable private company like, hmmmmm, say, transdev? oh wait, they run the luas, the exact operation that is recruiting.

Idbatterim · 07-02-2017 10:10am

Transfer backed down far too easily last time round in my opinion...

liger · 09-02-2017 8:05pm

N.B.R.U to ballot for strike action due to DB not fulfilling their side of the agreement.

Ballot on 17th of Feb.

devnull · 09-02-2017 9:01pm

Clearly the idea is to get all three companies to strike at once.

Kyleboy · 09-02-2017 10:12pm

devnull wrote: »

Clearly the idea is to get all three companies to strike at once.

Really, are you sure?. If Dublin bus management had stuck to the agreement there wouldn't be a ballot, are you saying it's Dublin bus management that want to strike?

Bass Reeves · 09-02-2017 11:36pm

Kyleboy wrote: »

devnull wrote: »

Clearly the idea is to get all three companies to strike at once.

Really, are you sure?. If Dublin bus management had stuck to the agreement there wouldn't be a ballot, are you saying it's Dublin bus management that want to strike?

The problem with the pension is that it is a combined pot and DB cannot solve issue by itself ,IE and BE will have to negotiate as well in any resolution of the issues

Stephen15 · 10-02-2017 9:13am

Kyleboy wrote: »

Really, are you sure?. If Dublin bus management had stuck to the agreement there wouldn't be a ballot, are you saying it's Dublin bus management that want to strike?

No but the Bus Eireann strike is bringing these issues to light if there wasn't a BE then the issues may have fallen on deaf ears.

Stephen15 · 10-02-2017 9:15am

liger wrote: »

N.B.R.U to ballot for strike action due to DB not fulfilling their side of the agreement.

Ballot on 17th of Feb.

Really I didn't read anything online or by the NBRU about it where did you hear that.

hmmm · 10-02-2017 11:37am

These continuous threats of strike action have to be having an impact on the perceived reliability of public transport with the public. The unions can't duck their responsibility for being part of the problem that is leading to the decline of the public transport companies.

Stephen15 · 13-02-2017 11:51pm

Talks due for tommorow between unions and management hopefully a resolution of some kind will be found if not ballot due Friday.

hmmm · 15-02-2017 2:24pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

Talks due for tommorow between unions and management hopefully a resolution of some kind will be found if not ballot due Friday.

There's no resolution of this without extra money from government, and (rightly) that isn't forthcoming.

I'm surprised at how relaxed everyone seems to be about mass CIE company strikes from next Monday. I wouldn't be surprised if most DB & IR customers were unaware this was even threatened.

Will Shane Ross be taking the bus next week?

DB Pay Rises sought

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