50 acre farm rent

J.O. Farmer

It shouldn't be possible to claim entitlements on land rented out on an 11 month or 6 month lease. What should happen is that the owner of the entitlements should lease out those entitlements at the market rate either with the land or without. Land of similar quality withmore valuable entitlements attached should command a higher rent. All above board and doesn't have the appearance of retired farmers getting a pension top up.

kowtow

J.O. Farmer wrote:

It shouldn't be possible to claim entitlements on land rented out on an 11 month or 6 month lease. What should happen is that the owner of the entitlements should lease out those entitlements at the market rate either with the land or without. Land of similar quality withmore valuable entitlements attached should command a higher rent. All above board and doesn't have the appearance of retired farmers getting a pension top up.

Thinking along those lines wouldn't it be better if there was a transparent pool of entitlements.. a public auction place if you like.... and anyone renting land had to dump the entitlements into the pool for the year in which it was rented? That way the value wouldn't get caught up in the rent so easily. Could tie it to the registration of the lease which they are pushing towards anyway.. that way it should be easy to rent in entitlements and/or land and the market would be more liquid for both.

Landlords shouldn't suffer a risk of losing entitlements either if structured properly.

Willfarman

Landlords should lose entitlements though. The man working the sprong should get a twist from the eu not his lordship!

Water John

You're carrying a bit of a chip there, Will.
Fella over the road from me drawing €80K. It's a bit immoral but I am not going to get my knickers in a twist over it.

Willfarman

If he's farming the land in any form that wouldn't bother me in the slightest.. A place near here drawing over 100k but a lot of people in the locality and beyond getting a twist out of it..

J.O. Farmer

Willfarman wrote: »

Landlords should lose entitlements though. The man working the sprong should get a twist from the eu not his lordship!

Once they decoupled payments it was always going to be a case of being lucky enough to have farmed in the reference years. The only way around it is to recouple and that's not going to happen.

Base price

Willfarman wrote: »

Landlords should lose entitlements though. The man working the sprong should get a twist from the eu not his lordship!

Willfarman wrote: »

If he's farming the land in any form that wouldn't bother me in the slightest.. A place near here drawing over 100k but a lot of people in the locality and beyond getting a twist out of it..

In fairness not many are drawing entitlements of €100k. The few retired farmers that I know of around me are getting €3k or €4k at best. In all but one case they keep a few cows/calves around the house and rent out the rest of their land/outfarms. They are all bachelors in their late 60's + and in two cases they really shouldn't be keeping sucklers as they are getting too old/frail to deal with cows calving.
The system is as it is and I can understand that you don't like it but you just have to take it on the chin the same way as we don't like seeing the value of our SFP devaluing but accept that while we loose others will gain.

Willfarman

Ah Im taking it on the chin.. And I kl try not take to the drink base!

But jaysis a irish man has to be let rant and rave. It's not North Korea!