Why do people hate Gerry Adams

corner of hells

jack923 wrote: »

He brought peace to Northern Ireland.

I've a friend who's a convicted former IRA man who continuously says Adams standing in republican society would improve considerably if he were to acknowledge being in the IRA particularly in the eyes of the families of IRA members who died and in the eyes of those who served significant sentences.

Then again if were to admit now to being a member in the eyes of the world he'd be a liar.

tomwaterford

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I think for his age he's a bit of a lash. Also I love his Twitter.

He is head and shoulders the best Twitter account of any Irish politian

mynamejeff

jack923 wrote: »

A british informer if I remember correctly?

seriously ?

get you ass back under that bridge where you belong

jack923

DJIMI TRARORE wrote: »

No he didnt, he was one small cog on a huge wheel,might be 0.1% responsible and only so SF could be a legit political party who have now peaked in their popularity

It wouldn't have been possible without him. Anyone anyway educated knows that.

jack923

mynamejeff wrote: »

seriously ?

get you ass back under that bridge where you belong

So she wasn't an informer? And why do you think that?

maryishere

Two Tone wrote: »

Didn't she tend to an injured British soldier too, which helped sign her death warrant?

I think the soldier was shot / dying? Going to comfort him in his final moments was enough to sign her death warrant / enable the heavies to torture and "disappear" her, and leave her family of kids abandened to fend for themselves ?

jack923

corner of hells wrote: »

I've a friend who's a convicted former IRA man who continuously says Adams standing in republican society would improve considerably if he were to acknowledge being in the IRA particularly in the eyes of the families of IRA members who died and in the eyes of those who served significant sentences.

Then again if were to admit now to being a member in the eyes of the world he'd be a list.

It's more so for the young voters. Republicans will vote for him anyway he's not going to get more votes by admitting it.

BreadnBuddha

jack923 wrote: »

It wouldn't have been possible without him. Anyone anyway educated knows that.

Anyone anyway indoctrinated would have to argue that line..

Peace might not have taken so long if it wasn't for him.

lawlolawl

jack923 wrote: »

What?

"Those despicable murdering trash weren't the official despicable murdering trash so it was wrong when they murdered people :mad:"

wokingvoter

jack923 wrote: »

She couldn't find any evidence means it couldn't be true?

In this country your innocent until proven guilty.
In your imaginary world where you've actually left your computer desk and are an IRA chief of staff, the only evidence needed to convict a mother of ten with mental health issues, is the word of a couple of drink addled teenage girls, but here in the real world that wouldn't do at all.

jack923

BreadnBuddha wrote: »

Anyone anyway indoctrinated would have to argue that line..

Peace might not have taken so long if it wasn't for him.

It's true

Iwasfrozen

jack923 wrote: »

Why do you think people hate Gerry Adams?

Well where to start.

1. He's pally with former and current members of the IRA.
2. He believes murder is an acceptable method of achieving political change.
3. He refuses to condemn the legacy of a terrorist organization.
4. He's a tribalist more interested in furthering the goal of a United Ireland than genuine peaceful co-existence with Unionists.
5. He didn't report a pedo to the police.
6. He defended a tax dodger because said tax dodger had ties with said terrorists.
7. He's a socialist, he wants to tax our economy out of competitiveness.
8. He's a nationalist, and traditionally euroskeptic until it suited his interests to recently become a europhile.
9. For years he refused to participate in the democratic system until it became personally advantageous to do so.
10. He's anti democratic, he wants to hold a border poll he knows won't pass.
11. He wants to waste more tax payers money on the Irish language.
12. He has shadey relations with a still existing IRA army council rump.
13. He wants to destroy the Special Criminal Court which offers protection against terrorist interference in the legal system.
14. For years he refused to recognize the Rep of Ireland and still seeks to undermine the sovereignty and territorial integrity of our closest foreign country, stoking unnecessary hatred and instability in the region.
15. He's a hypocrite who encouraged idiots to die for the republican movement only to administer British rule in NI.
    
    

And there's a lot more than that...

KingBrian2

I don't hate him.

mynamejeff

jack923 wrote: »

I assume you'retalking about the IRA? The only thing the IRA had to offer its members was life imprisonment or death. They said so themselves. I doubt the people who took up on that offer were cowards.

takes real courage to shoot a house wife in the head and hide her body from her family for decades all the time trying to smear her reputation with more cowardly lies


true sons of eire alright. it must bring a tear to your eye under the auld balaclava

lawlolawl

maryishere wrote: »

I think the soldier was shot / dying? Going to comfort him in his final moments was enough to sign her death warrant / enable the heavies to torture and "disappear" her, and leave her family of kids abandened to fend for themselves ?

These people were/are savages with stone age thinking as their main motivating factor.

jack923

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Well where to start.

1. He's pally with former and current members of the IRA.
2. He believes murder is an acceptable method of achieving political change.
3. He refuses to condemn the legacy of a terrorist organization.
4. He's a tribalist more interested in furthering the goal of a United Ireland than genuine peaceful co-existence with Unionists.
5. He didn't report a pedo to the police.
6. He defended a tax dodger because said tax dodger had ties with said terrorists.
7. He's a socialist, he wants to tax our economy out of competitiveness.
8. He's a nationalist, and traditionally euroskeptic until it suited his interests to recently become a europhile.
9. For years he refused to participate in the democratic system until it became personally advantageous to do so.
10. He's anti democratic, he wants to hold a border poll he knows won't pass.
11. He wants to waste more tax payers money on the Irish language.
12. He has shadey relations with a still existing IRA army council rump.
13. He's a hypocrite who encouraged idiots to die for the republican movement only to administer British rule in NI.

And there's a lot more than that...

I'm not going to go through all those points but murder does bring it about political change like history has shown.

BreadnBuddha

jack923 wrote: »

It's true

It's true, because you say it is? Because you believe it is?

That doesn't make it true. Gerry Adams is not responsible for bringing peace anywhere. Credit where it's due, and it isn't due to him.

Two Tone

maryishere wrote: »

I think the soldier was shot / dying? Going to comfort him in his final moments was enough to sign her death warrant / enable the heavies to torture and "disappear" her, and leave her family of kids abandened to fend for themselves ?

Why are you asking me that?

I asked if that incident took place and whether it was part of what led to her execution.

jack923

mynamejeff wrote: »

takes real courage to shoot a house wife in the head and hide her body from her family for decades all the time trying to smear her reputation with more cowardly lies


true sons of eire alright. it must bring a tear to your eye under the auld balaclava

Lies? Why do you believe it's lies? Why would they kill her for fun?

DJIMI TRARORE

jack923 wrote: »

It wouldn't have been possible without him. Anyone anyway educated knows that.

It would have happened earlier

maryishere

mynamejeff wrote: »

takes real courage to shoot a house wife in the head and hide her body from her family for decades all the time trying to smear her reputation with more cowardly lies


true sons of eire alright. it must bring a tear to your eye under the auld balaclava

After they examined her remains found decades later on the beach in Louth, I think they found she had been tortured too.

BreadnBuddha

jack923 wrote: »

I'm not going to go through all those points but murder does bring it about political change like history has shown.

You're not going to go through them because you CAN'T argue against them.

Like the good 'bot that you are, you'll just ignore it and try to move on, without realising you lost this argument before you threw the kleenex in the bin, pulled up your trousers and deleted your search history tonight.

BreadnBuddha

BreadnBuddha wrote: »

Peace might not have taken so long if it wasn't for him.

Jesus. You're just re-writing history now.

corner of hells

jack923 wrote: »

It's more so for the young voters. Republicans will vote for him anyway he's not going to get more votes by admitting it.

I dunno , I'd imagine should be admit to membership his integrity as a politician would be shattered.
As it is he's living a charade.

lawlolawl

jack923 wrote: »

Why would they kill her for fun?

They killed her because they are/were murderous garbage.

The people involved in paramilitary organisations are the lowest of the low. If they didn't have a cause to hide behind they'd just be involved in regular organised crime anyway. Utter human refuse.

Water John

Are we going to have a rubbish thread like this from Jack every night when he rambles home from the pub?

davycc

KingBrian2 wrote: »

I don't hate him.

+1 i dont hate him myself , have a lot of respect for his role in bringing peace about the 32

BreadnBuddha

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Well where to start.

1. He's pally with former and current members of the IRA.
2. He believes murder is an acceptable method of achieving political change.
3. He refuses to condemn the legacy of a terrorist organization.
4. He's a tribalist more interested in furthering the goal of a United Ireland than genuine peaceful co-existence with Unionists.
5. He didn't report a pedo to the police.
6. He defended a tax dodger because said tax dodger had ties with said terrorists.
7. He's a socialist, he wants to tax our economy out of competitiveness.
8. He's a nationalist, and traditionally euroskeptic until it suited his interests to recently become a europhile.
9. For years he refused to participate in the democratic system until it became personally advantageous to do so.
10. He's anti democratic, he wants to hold a border poll he knows won't pass.
11. He wants to waste more tax payers money on the Irish language.
12. He has shadey relations with a still existing IRA army council rump.
13. He wants to destroy the Special Criminal Court which offers protection against terrorist interference in the legal system.
14. For years he refused to recognize the Rep of Ireland and still seeks to undermine the sovereignty and territorial integrity of our closest foreign country, stoking unnecessary hatred and instability in the region.
15. He's a hypocrite who encouraged idiots to die for the republican movement only to administer British rule in NI.
    
    

And there's a lot more than that...

Go on Braonain, you're the expert, why don't you have a go then. Can you argue against Iwasfrozen's list?

No?

Didn't think so.

There's not much you can say in a room full of people with more cop-on than the average Gerry supporter.

lawlolawl

davycc wrote: »

+1 i dont hate him myself , have a lot of respect for his role in bringing peace about the 32

What brought peace was the UK and Irish governments jointly saying about NI: "whatever, just keep giving them money and pointless elections or something and let them think they are ruling themselves and maybe they'll stop killing each other. they won't be able to change anything that matters anyway and we are propping them up financially so their bills will still get paid i suppose"

The peace process is a product of indifference from London and Dublin.

jack923

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Well where to start.

1. He's pally with former and current members of the IRA.
2. He believes murder is an acceptable method of achieving political change.
3. He refuses to condemn the legacy of a terrorist organization.
4. He's a tribalist more interested in furthering the goal of a United Ireland than genuine peaceful co-existence with Unionists.
5. He didn't report a pedo to the police.
6. He defended a tax dodger because said tax dodger had ties with said terrorists.
7. He's a socialist, he wants to tax our economy out of competitiveness.
8. He's a nationalist, and traditionally euroskeptic until it suited his interests to recently become a europhile.
9. For years he refused to participate in the democratic system until it became personally advantageous to do so.
10. He's anti democratic, he wants to hold a border poll he knows won't pass.
11. He wants to waste more tax payers money on the Irish language.
12. He has shadey relations with a still existing IRA army council rump.
13. He wants to destroy the Special Criminal Court which offers protection against terrorist interference in the legal system.
14. For years he refused to recognize the Rep of Ireland and still seeks to undermine the sovereignty and territorial integrity of our closest foreign country, stoking unnecessary hatred and instability in the region.
15. He's a hypocrite who encouraged idiots to die for the republican movement only to administer British rule in NI.
    
    

And there's a lot more than that...

1. Yeah he is
2. So does the USA, UK, Russia and most powers in the world.
3. I know he doesn't and he shouldn't.
4.I don't see why you think this but you're entitled to your opinion.
5. You dont know what you would do in that situation if it was me I would probably kill him if I found that out.
6. Dont know so can't speak
7.how?
8. What? He changed his mind on the euro but because its gerry adams you use some kind of conspiracy?
9. Another conspiracy
10. He wants to hold a border poll so he's anti democratic?

I don't know what to say to you you just came out with a bunch of nonsense

FTA69

corner of hells wrote: »

I've a friend who's a convicted former IRA man who continuously says Adams standing in republican society would improve considerably if he were to acknowledge being in the IRA particularly in the eyes of the families of IRA members who died and in the eyes of those who served significant sentences.

Then again if were to admit now to being a member in the eyes of the world he'd be a liar.

Exactly, he can hardly admit that now when he's trying to build a party in the south. "Oh by the way lads, I was lying about the being in the Ra stuff soz lol yolo". He'd have nothing to gain.

I know a few Republicans who think like your friend but the fact is most people in that community have great time for Adams still.

homerjay2005

because there is nothing likeable about anything to do with Sinn Fein, and he is the leader.

Arghus

Of all the politicians in the Dail, he tells the biggest lies with the straightest face. And he probably has blood on his hands.

mynamejeff

jack923 wrote: »

Lies? Why do you believe it's lies? Why would they kill her for fun?

because that what cowardly murdering scum do ,


you strike me as a child with a childish understanding of the reality of the world


your posts really expose that go and learn what your talking about and get back to the conversation when you understand it kid

Alf Stewart.

Gotta love boards.

Mention Irish Water, something that affects every person in the country "customer or not" and thread gets shunted off to the caf, within a few posts.

Start a thread about why you hate Gerry Adams, and she's going a good few pages yet with no intervention.

jack923

lawlolawl wrote: »

What brought peace was the UK and Irish governments jointly saying about NI: "whatever, just keep giving them money and pointless elections or something and let them think they are ruling themselves and maybe they'll stop killing each other. they won't be able to change anything that matters anyway and we are propping them up financially so their bills will still get paid i suppose"

The peace process is a product of indifference from London and Dublin.

Who would have gotten the Provisional IRA to have stopped fighting? Gerry played the main role in that what are you even talking about

jack923

mynamejeff wrote: »

because that what cowardly murdering scum do ,


you strike me as a child with a childish understanding of the reality of the world


your posts really expose that go and learn what your talking about and get back to the conversation when you understand it kid

A childish understanding? You're argument is they done it for fun and I said I doubt they did it for fun and then call me child? You have a simplified version of the world " that's what bad people do"

Alf Stewart.

wokingvoter wrote: »

I've just been looking at your posting history and I don't need an education on Irish history from someone who addresses other posters as "mate".

And I have been looking at yours.....

Some of which was from the "prison forum".

Delightful you are, no doubt.

Two Tone

BreadnBuddha wrote: »

Go on Braonain, you're the expert, why don't you have a go then. Can you argue against Iwasfrozen's list?

No?

Didn't think so.

You can't really say "No? Didn't think so" on the same post that you ask a poster a question - give them a chance to respond! :pac:

Iwasfrozen

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Well where to start.

And there's a lot more than that...

Point 10: how is it in any way 'anti-democratic'?

Point 14: The 'leave the EU camp' have done a splendid job with regards to instability next door (and here).

jack923

Arghus wrote: »

Of all the politicians in the Dail, he tells the biggest lies with the straightest face. And he probably has blood on his hands.

Tells the biggest lies with the straightest face? Maybe you're just believing what you want to believe?

jack923

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

And I have been looking at yours.....

Some of which was from the "prison forum".

Delightful you are, no doubt.

Hahaha

Two Tone

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

Gotta love boards.

Mention Irish Water, something that affects every person in the country "customer or not" and thread gets shunted off to the caf, within a few posts.

Start a thread about why you hate Gerry Adams, and she's going a good few pages yet with no intervention.

Not really sure what the double standard is. It's pretty late at night too I guess; the mods will see it in the morning.

lawlolawl

jack923 wrote: »

Who would have gotten the Provisional IRA to have stopped fighting? Gerry played the main role in that what are you even talking about

The defense/police forces in the UK and Ireland could have killed/detained pretty much all of the provos in a short period of time. The weren't a real army FFS, an actual show of force would have been an embarrassing mauling that would have looked really bad from the authorities side because of the scale of loss of life involved on the weaker side.

Better to let them think they matter if they promise to put their guns away like good little boys and girls. Then they get to play at being big important politicians!

Try the carrot first and if that doesn't work, bring out the stick. Their thinking will die off in a couple of generations anyway.

Alf Stewart.

Two Tone wrote: »

Not really sure what the double standard is. It's pretty late at night too I guess; the mods will see it in the morning.

I said "double standards"


Where ?

jack923

wokingvoter wrote: »

In this country your innocent until proven guilty.
In your imaginary world where you've actually left your computer desk and are an IRA chief of staff, the only evidence needed to convict a mother of ten with mental health issues, is the word of a couple of drink addled teenage girls, but here in the real world that wouldn't do at all.

I'm just saying, the ira didn't have a courtroom

mynamejeff

jack923 wrote: »

A childish understanding? You're argument is they done it for fun and I said I doubt they did it for fun and then call me child? You have a simplified version of the world " that's what bad people do"

I really shouldn't feed you..... but

Is it then you opinion that it was justified to murder and torture of a middle aged house wife for offering some minor comfort to a dying man ?

its a yes/no answer now jack

Arghus

jack923 wrote: »

Tells the biggest lies with the straightest face? Maybe you're just believing what you want to believe?

Maybe you are mate.

Two Tone

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

I said "double standards"


Where ?

Thought that is what you meant in terms of how one type of thread is treated versus how another type of thread is.

Annasopra

jack923 wrote: »

And you believe that? So they just killed her for the lolz?

Do you think she deserved to be murdered?