Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016 - Mod Warning Post #6863

Lord TSC

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

Didn't they just spend £34m on Saido Mané? Hardly rummaging around the bargain basement.

Tbh, that's pretty standard for a level of his level now.

Ultimately though, if they consider that the price of their top player, and we consider that the price of our squad players, it shows the outstanding differences in standards....

weisses

Pogba in LA for a Medical ?

Lord TSC

DiMarizio saying Pogba won't be today. Everything agreed but need time to sign the relevant paperwork

Flint Fredstone

Lord TSC wrote: »

Tbh, that's pretty standard for a level of his level now.

Ultimately though, if they consider that the price of their top player, and we consider that the price of our squad players, it shows the outstanding differences in standards....

Yeah. It's all relative is all I'm saying. Pogba going for 3 times the price of Mané doesn't sound out of the ordinary.

DARK-KNIGHT

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Link?

http://www.espnfc.com/liverpool/story/2919811/liverpool-boss-jurgen-klopp-takes-swipe-at-spending-100-million-on-a-player

TheDoc

This "9" players to leave craic seems to have originated from the Daily Mail, and then everyone putting their own spin on it.

Some saying some have been told they have no future and secure a permanent move, others told they won'y play this season so get a loan.

Think its a bit soon to be casting CBJ and TFM on the scrap heap, but maybe just a loan move for them. Pereira in fairness to him will get no game time this season so might as well go on loan. Can't say I've ever been overly impressed, but at 20 time probably on his side.

Ditching Schweinsteiger might be a bit hasty imo. Thought he was excellent when he was injury free for us, and was FAR superior to Carrick

TheDoc

M!Ck^ wrote: »

http://www.espnfc.com/liverpool/story/2919811/liverpool-boss-jurgen-klopp-takes-swipe-at-spending-100-million-on-a-player

Some nice pandering to fans covering up what is most likely no top players wanting to go there : /

At the same time his rep at Dortmund was buying relatively unknown quantities and building his own superstars, but it just comes across a bit petty.

Liverpools biggest problem in the almost 20 years I've been conscious of football, is their transfer policies and acquisitions. As much as we might have had issues in the last few windows, they have been making a ****ing meal of it for 20 odd years.

TheDoc

Memphis linked with a move to Lyon to replace the impending sale of Lacazette.

Will not be happy if true...

Adamocovic

The whole Schweinsteiger story has apparently come from him not being part of the team training today. That's all it seems to take for every paper to jump on it and it fits in with the 9 player story.

Remember not so long ago Matas time was apparently done with United and then Mourinho addressed it saying there is space for him and he is talented etc.

I'd wait until Mourinhos press conference before getting worried or sucked into it.

Cantona's Collars

Adamocovic wrote: »

The whole Schweinsteiger story has apparently come from him not being part of the team training today. That's all it seems to take for every paper to jump on it and it fits in with the 9 player story.

Remember not so long ago Matas time was apparently done with United and then Mourinho addressed it saying there is space for him and he is talented etc.

I'd wait until Mourinhos press conference before getting worried or sucked into it.

I called bull on the story yesterday. Catchy headline with nothing behind it. Half the players named are prospective loanees. It's not as if Jose is kicking out players he name checked as top prospects and talent.

Cantona's Collars

https://twitter.com/RorySmithTimes/status/758979154087858177

Mister Robinson

Adamocovic wrote: »

I'd wait until Mourinhos press conference before getting worried or sucked into it.

Is there a press conference on today for tomorrows game?

Trigger

TheDoc wrote: »

Memphis linked with a move to Lyon to replace the impending sale of Lacazette.

Will not be happy if true...

On the bright side it would leave the 7 jersey open to entice Antoine with

Adamcp898

TheDoc wrote: »

Memphis linked with a move to Lyon to replace the impending sale of Lacazette.

Will not be happy if true...

If we can get anywhere near what we paid then cash him in. He's not going to make it.

bangkok

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36921706

BBC reporting bastian will be sold

Mister Robinson

bangkok wrote: »

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36921706

BBC reporting bastian will be sold

Are they thinking he will be sold because he trained on his own? Was he not injured in the later stages of the Euros and might have only started light training again.

Sky sports are saying its sources close to Rojo who are saying that these players will be sold but Rojo isn't one of them apparently.

Cantona's Collars

https://twitter.com/MiguelDelaney/status/758979748018073600

£95 million fee,Juve pay the tax (agent fee of £20 million)

Jayop

Are people really arguing that the season Leicester had proves that you don't need to spend big to have sustained success or that spending big is unsustainable?

Someone should have told Fergie when he was breaking transfer records, breaking the bank and bringing unheard of success with transfers like Keane, Cole, Rio, Rooney, Ronaldo (for am unheard of teenager the fee was huge at the time).

You can have short term success without spending and you can have short term success with a burst of unsustained spending but you have to spend year in and year out to keep at the top.

Cantona's Collars

I'd rather a massive fee for a top talent than the same amount being spent on 3 players of questionable talent that might make it just to satisfy some guy in a suit that's into money ball economics.

mewe

Klopp can go way and sh!te and mind his own business. Saying if he had the money he wouldn't. Well you don't Jurgen so it's all pie in the sky talk.

All our other buys this summer have been sensible prices and it needed an astronomical fee to prise away Pogba, which I'm chuffed we could do. All the sweeter with Madrid not being able to compete, with the way they've been blowing people out of the water for a few years.

Trond

zerks wrote: »

I'd rather a massive fee for a top talent than the same amount being spent on 3 players of questionable talent that might make it just to satisfy some guy in a suit that's into money ball economics.

For example Liverpool...

RobertKK

Glad Klopp is not our manager, with all the money United make, we needed someone not afraid to spend it on top talent.

ElChe32

How Soon Is Now

Ever look in here and look in Liverpool thread and see posters directly talking about what the other is saying about there club and cant help but laugh!.

Its like giving out about your next door neighbor while they can hear you.

StringerBell

GSPfan wrote: »

Think you are mixing up CBJ with TFM here no? Too many 3 letter acronyms these days. RVP, LVG, ADM, DDG, CBJ, TFM.

Nope, have the right guy :-) but the 3 letter acronyms have been on overdrive lately

Cantona's Collars

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Ever look in here and look in Liverpool thread and see posters directly talking about what the other is saying about there club and cant help but laugh!.

Its like giving out about your next door neighbor while they can hear you.

We have the more expensive gaffðŸ˜ðŸ˜

stesaurus

RobertKK wrote: »

Glad Klopp is not our manager, with all the money United make, we needed someone not afraid to spend it on top talent.

Oh come on. For years we lauded ourselves for making superstars and not just signing them up. We slagged off City and Chelsea for buying their way into league wins.
Now that we're top dogs on the rich list we've changed our tune?

Nonsense, Klopp is generally correct in his approach but I bet given the resources he'd make one or 2 big signings.

It really needs to be a mix of the two approaches. You need to focus on building a team first and that's sometimes better off not being a bunch of known superstars. Fergie did it well by blending youth & experience but I've always thought that what really held us back for years was Fergie not willing to add that missing piece of the jigsaw and buying one or two top level players.

MagicIRL

ElChe32 wrote: »

Heeeeeeeeeeey, that's my line! :mad::D:D

Jayop

s.welstead wrote: »

Oh come on. For years we lauded ourselves for making superstars and not just signing them up. We slagged off City and Chelsea for buying their way into league wins.
Now that we're top dogs on the rich list we've changed our tune?

Nonsense, Klopp is generally correct in his approach but I bet given the resources he'd make one or 2 big signings.

It really needs to be a mix of the two approaches. You need to focus on building a team first and that's sometimes better off not being a bunch of known superstars. Fergie did it well by blending youth & experience but I've always thought that what really held us back for years was Fergie not willing to add that missing piece of the jigsaw and buying one or two top level players.

But we did buy superstars time and time again. We bought Keane, Ruud, Rio, Vernon, Rooney all for massive money. We tried to buy many more, Ronaldinho, Shearer etc.

The issue people had with City and Chelsea was that they spent absolutely wildly and wasted most of it. Neither had a youth policy and instead if they needed a player for a position they'd just try to buy the most expensive option available without concern for whether they would work for them. The other main thing United fans criticised them for was spending sugar daddy money. Every penny United spend comes from within the club.

fatherted1969

s.welstead wrote: »

Oh come on. For years we lauded ourselves for making superstars and not just signing them up. We slagged off City and Chelsea for buying their way into league wins.
Now that we're top dogs on the rich list we've changed our tune?

Nonsense, Klopp is generally correct in his approach but I bet given the resources he'd make one or 2 big signings.

It really needs to be a mix of the two approaches. You need to focus on building a team first and that's sometimes better off not being a bunch of known superstars. Fergie did it well by blending youth & experience but I've always thought that what really held us back for years was Fergie not willing to add that missing piece of the jigsaw and buying one or two top level players.

Complete nonsense, I hear that line being trotted out by supporters but the truth is utd have broken transfer records continually since I've started supporting them from 1979. We may not have bought 4 or 5 on huge fees to build a squad each year like Man City or Chelsea when they were taken ovee but we've certainly broken records to get the players we want

Kylo Ren

MagicIRL wrote: »

Heeeeeeeeeeey, that's my line! :mad::D:D

Child, please.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90395566&postcount=3388

Trigger

Pendreds Fists of Fury wrote: »

Child, please.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90395566&postcount=3388

Billy86

Just got in to work to see we are still waiting on it, but rumours of Payet as well. Could be complete b*llocks, but if we did land both I would happily see the back of Young & Valencia. Martial, Khaleesiwhateverstuff, Payet, Depay and Januzaj would go grand by me - play the latter two in the Europa League, Carling Cup, maybe some easier league games and sub appearances to see if we can some of their obvious potential out of them, but we still have three other guys (plus Rashford/Rooney/even Mata or Herrera if desperate) to fill those WF spots for the league.

I think we should have done that back in 2014/15, hopefully we see it this year. Use the EL/CC/some league games for some of the very obvious young talent we have like Pereira, Depay, Januzaj, TFM, CBJ, Lingard etc. I'm not really bothered how we do in the first two competitions and even in the league just want a top 4 finish, as far over 75pts as we can manage, playing well and maybe most importantly with a distinct identity for the first time in years (you could argue since even before Fergie retired) and looking set to really compete (for a long time) from 2017/18 onwards. In that sense, I would love to see us put the 'lesser' competitions to good use for a larger plan.

RobertKK

s.welstead wrote: »

Oh come on. For years we lauded ourselves for making superstars and not just signing them up. We slagged off City and Chelsea for buying their way into league wins.
Now that we're top dogs on the rich list we've changed our tune?

Nonsense, Klopp is generally correct in his approach but I bet given the resources he'd make one or 2 big signings.

It really needs to be a mix of the two approaches. You need to focus on building a team first and that's sometimes better off not being a bunch of known superstars. Fergie did it well by blending youth & experience but I've always thought that what really held us back for years was Fergie not willing to add that missing piece of the jigsaw and buying one or two top level players.

As a percentage of what United earn, Pogba will be our 3rd costliest signing.

Pogba was a United youth team member, he is not an ordinary record breaking signing.
It is like the prodigal son is returning and United are prepared to kill the fattened calf (pay the huge fee) and have a feast (United fun to watch again).
United are only bringing back a player who they never wanted to leave. He got great work experience at Juventus.

pheasant tail

20 Times 20 Times wrote: »

Anyone receive their season ticket yet ?

Nope they where posted yesterday so should have them early next week

Son Of A Vidic

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Ever look in here and look in Liverpool thread and see posters directly talking about what the other is saying about there club and cant help but laugh!.

Personally, I'd rather staple my testicles to my seat, than have any interest in visiting the Liverpool thread.

TheDoctor

Son Of A Vidic wrote: »

Personally, I'd rather staple my testicles to my seat, than have any interest in visiting the Liverpool thread.

Good lord

Lord TSC

No pre or post match press conference for the Galatasaray match apparently. Guess they can avoid discussing the slew of Pogba questions that way....

Giggsy11

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Ever look in here and look in Liverpool thread and see posters directly talking about what the other is saying about there club and cant help but laugh!.

Its like giving out about your next door neighbor while they can hear you.

lol who cares what they think or talk. They say football is 11 vs 11 but somehow think it's better to sign multiple average players than 1 class player. Sound logic.

keane2097

Son Of A Vidic wrote: »

Personally, I'd rather staple my testicles to my seat, than have any interest in visiting the Liverpool thread.

They're just people...

Headshot

keane2097 wrote: »

They're just people...

I have my doubts.

Jayop

Found this interesting. I'm posting it in here because I don't want to wum by starting a new thread or putting it in a general thread.

So what has each of the top English sides won in the last ten years? A list of all the domestic honours won since the 2006/07 season with the European and World Trophies added. I was actually amazed by how fan in front we and Chelsea were when you take our last three seasons into account. Also amazed to see Liverpool have only won a single league cup in the last 10 years. Shocking really.

Clubs listed in order of trophies won, then importance of trophies, then most recent win.

Manchester United
League x 5
FA Cup x 1
League Cup x 2
Charity Shield x 5
Champions League x 1
World Club Cup x 1

Chelsea
League x 2
FA Cup x 4
League Cup x 2
Charity Shield x 1
Champions League x 1
UEFA Cup x 1

Manchester City
League x 2
FA Cup x 1
League Cup x 2
Charity Shield x 1

Arsenal
FA Cup x 2
Charity Shield x 2

Leicester
League x 1

Wigan
FA Cup x 1

Portsmouth
FA Cup x 1

Swansea City
League Cup x 1

Liverpool
League Cup x 1

Birmingham
League Cup x 1

Spurs
League Cup x 1

jayo26

https://www.instagram.com/p/BIcj9VBgz8N/

No Smalling in squad he must be on his way out.

How Soon Is Now

Giggsy11 wrote: »

lol who cares what they think or talk. They say football is 11 vs 11 but somehow think it's better to sign multiple average players than 1 class player. Sound logic.

I meant it as both sets of fans do it.

magnumbud

jayo26 wrote: »

https://www.instagram.com/p/BIcj9VBgz8N/

No Smalling in squad he must be on his way out.

no pogba either, he must be on his way out too

Thepoet85

magnumbud wrote: »

no pogba either, he must be on his way out too

No Mourinho either, must have been sacked.

TheDoc

jayo26 wrote: »

https://www.instagram.com/p/BIcj9VBgz8N/

No Smalling in squad he must be on his way out.

Is he not out recovering from that craic abroad?

To be honest that looks as strong as squad as there is, two spots free, one for Smalling, one for Pogba?

I think it wouldn't be a stretch to see those stories about the players being loaned or sold might not be so outlandish.

stesaurus

RobertKK wrote: »

As a percentage of what United earn, Pogba will be our 3rd costliest signing.

Pogba was a United youth team member, he is not an ordinary record breaking signing.
It is like the prodigal son is returning and United are prepared to kill the fattened calf (pay the huge fee) and have a feast (United fun to watch again).
United are only bringing back a player who they never wanted to leave. He got great work experience at Juventus.

At times and I dont want this to sound like an insult but you can come across as our version of andersonisgod. You are way too positive about Utd!

jayo26

TheDoc wrote: »

Is he not out recovering from that craic abroad?

To be honest that looks as strong as squad as there is, two spots free, one for Smalling, one for Pogba?

I think it wouldn't be a stretch to see those stories about the players being loaned or sold might not be so outlandish.

I think tfm and cbj should be loaned but Pereira should at least be given few games in Europa league and revue it again at Xmas.

My reason been is he is around that be longer and he is in an older contract then the other two it should be now or never for him.

The likes of Wilson and keane I couldn't give a toss about they have never shown much on loan and the only youth player that did was Fletcher and he has been sold.

stesaurus

Jayop wrote: »

But we did buy superstars time and time again. We bought Keane, Ruud, Rio, Vernon, Rooney all for massive money. We tried to buy many more, Ronaldinho, Shearer etc.

The issue people had with City and Chelsea was that they spent absolutely wildly and wasted most of it. Neither had a youth policy and instead if they needed a player for a position they'd just try to buy the most expensive option available without concern for whether they would work for them. The other main thing United fans criticised them for was spending sugar daddy money. Every penny United spend comes from within the club.

Superstars not for me really. Veron for sure but nobody else on that list was a top level player on the world stage. All were mainly premier league proven and the right age profile to become stars at Utd.
I was delighted at the Veron signing and thought it was a change to Fergies thinking at the time. He finally realised he had to go after the big talent in Italy/Spain in order to take us to the next level. Unfortunately how Veron turned out was probably the reason he went back to value in the market thinking.
Such a pity, easily the most exciting signing I can remember.