Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016 - Mod Warning Post #6863

jayo26

bangkok wrote: »

12 hour flight, medical, contract, photoshoot, sponsors, more than likely Wednesday.

Your so bloody pedantic haha.

Trigger

Just looking at that.. that's the tee-shirt he was wearing yesterday.. could he already have flown?

EDIT: he was wearing it a few days ago for a fan Photo in LA.. cheap fecker

Flint Fredstone

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

If he sits it out for the next two years or Utd cancel his contract it will have been a very poor return for a £45.6m investment.

I don't know how I'll sleep at night.

bangkok

jayo26 wrote: »

Your so bloody pedantic haha.

I think you mean vile

bangkok

astradave wrote: »

Serious question here.. how do YOU compare players for possession under pressure? Do you not use your own opinion?

It's not really something I would pay much attention to to be honest, generally if a player has a good touch and a bit of skill they will see themselves out of a tight spot or if they are good at passing will pass themselves out of trouble. Carrick has both a good touch and is one of the best passers at the club

Cantona's Collars

A nice touch by Gary Neville in helping Paul McGrath raise money for charity.

http://www.sundayworld.com/sport/soccer/kind-hearted-gary-neville-helps-paul-mcgrath-raise-a-fortune

bangkok

glued wrote: »

There were reports some players weren't happy with Schweinsteiger and he was allowed to do as he pleased under LVG. Not surprised he's gone if those reports are true.

Was there? I never heard anything like that, the ultimate professional.

jayo26

bangkok wrote: »

I think you mean vile

That aswell

Trigger

bangkok wrote: »

It's not really something I would pay much attention to to be honest, generally if a player has a good touch and a bit of skill they will see themselves out of a tight spot or if they are good at passing will pass themselves out of trouble. Carrick has both a good touch and is one of the best passers at the club

Fair enough, was just wondering as your reply sounded as if you used stats or something.

Personally I don't think Carrick is the best under pressure, he tends to look very nervous on the ball and I find he passes back more often than not when he is closed down, that doesn't take away from his other attributes though and I think he is probably the best passer in the squad at present.

Trigger

Friday it is! :pac:

https://twitter.com/GFFN/status/760223501609500673

Lord TSC

bangkok wrote: »

Was there? I never heard anything like that, the ultimate professional.

Iirc, it stemmed from the fact that, when hurt, he would go back to Germany instead of rehabbing with the team/at United facilities. Other players felt it was special treatment none of them would have gotten, and that it was Schwienstiger isolating himself to an extent, rather than team building with the rest of the squad.

jayo26

Ahh here I give up. This worse then going shopping with the missus always another shop to go to.

Trigger

jayo26 wrote: »

Ahh here I give up. This worse then going shopping with the missus always another shop to go to.

Could be a lay over

Unearthly

Adamocovic wrote: »

There's probably a few out there but generally the sky sports news app, if you turn on push notifications notifies you of big news stories, so if a deal is done for big money or manager sacked hired etc.

Is it possible to filter the push notifications to football only? They keep spamming me about formula1 and cricket. Android by the way

jayo26

astradave wrote: »

Could be a lay over

Dont care I've turned off the alerts to his Instagram account fuk that.

Adamocovic

Unearthly wrote: »

Is it possible to filter the push notifications to football only? They keep spamming me about formula1 and cricket. Android by the way

I actually don't know, don't think so, it is a bit gas hearing the phone go off only to find out England have won some cricket match :P

Trigger

Unearthly wrote: »

Is it possible to filter the push notifications to football only? They keep spamming me about formula1 and cricket. Android by the way

Android app only has notifications for breaking news stories.. can't filter to football only. Sky have gone pretty terrible atm. You might be better off just keeping a tab open for the transfer tweets from Redcafe. They have a thread that filters all the discussion out and just has the tweets.. though it's not just done deals..

Whatsisname

Theres a Sky Sports News and a Sky Sports Football app, I'm pretty sure

jayo26

Unearthly wrote: »

Is it possible to filter the push notifications to football only? They keep spamming me about formula1 and cricket. Android by the way

Take a look at "Sky Sports Live Football SC"
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bskyb.fbscore

Try that.

StringerBell

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

So Schweinsteiger cost £14.4m and is one year into a three year contract worth £200,000 a week. Total cost over the three years is £45.6m.

At his age and how he demonstrated his willingness to sit on the sidelines picking up his wages last year what motivation would he have to move to another club on lesser wages? Is it possible a Chinese club would come in, pay a silly transfer fee and pay him even more silly wages? Can't see any top European club wasting either a transfer fee or wages on him.

If he sits it out for the next two years or Utd cancel his contract it will have been a very poor return for a £45.6m investment.

I see you, you know.

I know what you do, and it doesn't work properly like this.

Anyways, Basti did not cost 14mil, if the rest is based on bs I am happy enough to have skimmed through.

Trigger

Guess who landed in New York this morning..

That's right...


https://twitter.com/realmadriden/status/759615612255629312

:pac:

ElChe32

astradave wrote: »

Guess who landed in New York this morning..

That's right...


https://twitter.com/realmadriden/status/759615612255629312

:pac:

magnumbud

Is it certain hes going to ny? Other results on twitter claim its Manchester as la to manchester is currently delayed supposedly

EDIT there is currently a flight to manchester delayed to arrive 11 am















but there is also about 10 delayed to NY also

Manutd_4life

astradave wrote: »

Guess who landed in New York this morning..

That's right...


https://twitter.com/realmadriden/status/759615612255629312

:pac:

Trigger

Adamocovic

astradave wrote: »

Guess who landed in New York this morning..

That's right...


https://twitter.com/realmadriden/status/759615612255629312

:pac:

RobertKK

Schweinsteiger's last tweet was a retweet of United wishing him a happy birthday.

https://twitter.com/manutd/status/760014216963104768

alchemist33

RobertKK wrote: »

Schweinsteiger's last tweet was a retweet of United wishing him a happy birthday.

https://twitter.com/manutd/status/760014216963104768

The club's left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing, if the reports about him being booted are true.

TheDoc

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

He should never of been brought in at this stage in his career. Never suited the team and there's better options already in the squad.

Great player on his day but he never had a career at United so won't miss him.

Literally anytime he played, he was far superior to Carrick. Can't understand the belittlement

TheDoc

Also, kind of taking the piss with Pogba here. Most other players have got training and a pre-season game under the belt. Most have reported back to their clubs. Pogba is swanning around the states.

Why isn't he ensuring a deal is concluded to where he is moving, and getting back into training. It's less then 3 weeks before kickoff for any clubs.

Bit of a ****ty attitude imo, milking it.

Rayne Wooney

Wishing him a happy birthday is showing respect, telling him he is surplus to requirements is business.

He can play for the under 21s earning 200k a week if he wants, maybe if he gets himself in good shape Jose will let him back into the frame. At the Euros every time I saw him I couldn't help but think of that fat kid with chocolate from the Simpsons

GSPfan

TheDoc wrote: »

Also, kind of taking the piss with Pogba here. Most other players have got training and a pre-season game under the belt. Most have reported back to their clubs. Pogba is swanning around the states.

Why isn't he ensuring a deal is concluded to where he is moving, and getting back into training. It's less then 3 weeks before kickoff for any clubs.

Bit of a ****ty attitude imo, milking it.

Id imagine its because he played a lot of games if not all at the Euros and he was there till the final game. He is entitled to time off work. If Juventus allowed him to have this time off then he would be a sap not to take it. He doesn't look unfit either so doubt it's gonna be a problem.

Rubber_Soul

TheDoc wrote: »

Also, kind of taking the piss with Pogba here. Most other players have got training and a pre-season game under the belt. Most have reported back to their clubs. Pogba is swanning around the states.

Most didn't play in a Euro final 3 weeks ago.

TheDoc

Rubber_Soul wrote: »

Most didn't play in a Euro final 3 weeks ago.

And yet plenty who did are back at their clubs training, some with gametime under their belts.

Pro. F

bangkok wrote: »

Pogba losses possession more often as he is trying to create goals or make killer passes, fellaini doesn't do this. Pogba had I think 12 assists last season, 10 goals, as far as I am aware fellaini didn't even have an assist. I actually can't believe I'm comparing the two.

No, Pogba isn't as consistent in CM in games because he doesn't have those skills and attributes.

Things that Pogba doesn't do as consistently within games in CM as Fellaini: show for the ball; keep and distribute possession when his midfield is being pressed; control the ball with his first touch; take up covering positions in anticipation of his team losing possession; take up defensive positions when defending.

Pogba may develop those skills in time. But at Juventus at different times they used him and needed him in various roles. One that he struggled with was the simple, consistent CM job of keeping his team ticking over when under pressure.

Pogba is better at creating and scoring, yes. As I said, he's much the better 10 of the two players. Those skills (and the correlating stats of goals and assists, etc) are not important for CMs. It's been shown many times that truly great CMs don't necessarily show up in those stats at all.

bangkok wrote: »

I'm not really sure how you are comparing fellaini and carrick for possession under pressure or is that just your opinion looking at the two of them?

Yes, it's my opinion from watching the two of them.

bangkok wrote: »

...generally if a player has a good touch and a bit of skill they will see themselves out of a tight spot or if they are good at passing will pass themselves out of trouble. Carrick has both a good touch and is one of the best passers at the club

Carrick has a weak first touch. Fellaini's is much better. And you can't just pass yourself out of pressing without just putting that pressure onto your teammates. If a CM can't control the ball really well with his first touch then it's easy for the opposition to shut them down when pressing and all the fancy passing in the world won't fix that problem for the team.

bangkok wrote: »

It's not really something I would pay much attention to to be honest,

Then you shouldn't be debating the topic.

Trigger

TheDoc wrote: »

Also, kind of taking the piss with Pogba here. Most other players have got training and a pre-season game under the belt. Most have reported back to their clubs. Pogba is swanning around the states.

Why isn't he ensuring a deal is concluded to where he is moving, and getting back into training. It's less then 3 weeks before kickoff for any clubs.

Bit of a ****ty attitude imo, milking it.

A lot of the players that played in the final are still on holidays. If you are going to question Pogba's attitude, what about Evra? Nani? Ronaldo? Griezmann? IIRC the Italian league starts later than the EPL so he was obviously give extra time along wits Evra. He is still under contract by Juve.

For all we know Jose might rather him have that extra bit of holiday to allow him to come back under less stress and be more rested.

Adamocovic

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Wishing him a happy birthday is showing respect, telling him he is surplus to requirements is business.

He can play for the under 21s earning 200k a week if he wants, maybe if he gets himself in good shape Jose will let him back into the frame. At the Euros every time I saw him I couldn't help but think of that fat kid with chocolate from the Simpsons

Although I really like him I had to bring that image to life :pac::pac:

TheDoc

astradave wrote: »

A lot of the players that played in the final are still on holidays. If you are going to question Pogba's attitude, what about Evra? Nani? Ronaldo? Griezmann? IIRC the Italian league starts later than the EPL so he was obviously give extra time along wits Evra. He is still under contract by Juve.

For all we know Jose might rather him have that extra bit of holiday to allow him to come back under less stress and be more rested.

I just think it extremely weird how he is on holiday with his future in his heir. Typically when I move job, I take time off inbetween knowing where my future lies.

To be honest his demeanor and agent are just annoying me at this point.

nullzero

A last minute swoop for Pogba by Perez would undoubtedly be his most Machiavellian move ever. Can you imagine his satisfaction at making United look that inept? There could be an element of revenge for the De Gea fiasco last summer involved here.
I've never heard of Real Madrid saying they have been priced out of a deal for a player, why has it just been taken at face value this time?
Hopefully I'm wrong but I can see this whole Pogba deal blowing up in our faces with Florentino Perez chewing a cigar a la Hannibal from the A team as his plan comes together.

Pro. F

TheDoc wrote: »

Also, kind of taking the piss with Pogba here. Most other players have got training and a pre-season game under the belt. Most have reported back to their clubs. Pogba is swanning around the states.

Why isn't he ensuring a deal is concluded to where he is moving, and getting back into training. It's less then 3 weeks before kickoff for any clubs.

Bit of a ****ty attitude imo, milking it.

Probably waiting for the clubs to negotiate the sale and then negotiating his contract. Presumably these things take time.

Rubber_Soul

TheDoc wrote: »

And yet plenty who did are back at their clubs training, some with gametime under their belts.

Did many of them play as many games as Pogba did at the tournament? Buffon and the rest of the Italian players only returned to training for Juve today and they went out of the tournament almost a month ago.

Do you have the same issue with Ronaldo who judging by his Instagram is still "swanning" around on holiday?

Players need rest time. He has an agent to handle his dealings.

Trigger

TheDoc wrote: »

I just think it extremely weird how he is on holiday with his future in his heir. Typically when I move job, I take time off inbetween knowing where my future lies.

To be honest his demeanor and agent are just annoying me at this point.

How can you be certain that his future is in the air.. it could have been agreed in principle weeks ago and it was agreed by everyone that he should stick to his schedule and sign the contract when he returns.

You shouldn't let silly things like his demeanor and his agent annoy you. Two of his Instagram posts the other day were pops at L'equipe for there reporting. Supposedly they were writing bad **** about him during the Euro's. It was a bit of fun at being able to get back at them.. I say fair ****s to him.. he has a pretty decent SOH tbh

Strumms

TheDoc wrote: »

astradave wrote: »

A lot of the players that played in the final are still on holidays. If you are going to question Pogba's attitude, what about Evra? Nani? Ronaldo? Griezmann? IIRC the Italian league starts later than the EPL so he was obviously give extra time along wits Evra. He is still under contract by Juve.

For all we know Jose might rather him have that extra bit of holiday to allow him to come back under less stress and be more rested.

I just think it extremely weird how he is on holiday with his future in his heir. Typically when I move job, I take time off inbetween knowing where my future lies.

To be honest his demeanor and agent are just annoying me at this point.

Yeah I'm with you on that. Makes you wonder if it's all down to himself and the agent playing two clubs off against one another and holding out till the last minute to see what the ultimate best deal for player and agent can be. While Pogba is off trolling on holiday pretending not to give a monkeys. Strange stance with competitive football due to start in two weeks and he hasn't even started training.. hardly professional more like self entitled BS... it would put you off somewhat..

Strumms

Rubber_Soul wrote: »

TheDoc wrote: »

And yet plenty who did are back at their clubs training, some with gametime under their belts.

Buffon and the rest of the Italian players only returned to training for Juve today and they went out of the tournament almost a month ago.

Their season starts a week later so at least they have another 7 days to get into the swing of things...

Trigger

Strumms wrote: »

Their season starts a week later so at least they have another 7 days to get into the swing of things...

Pogba is still currently employed by Juve.

Tbh he played 49 times for Juve last season and then played alot during the Euro's.. he's 23 the last thing you want to be doing to him is running him into the ground.

TheDoc

Pro. F wrote: »

Probably waiting for the clubs to negotiate the sale and then negotiating his contract. Presumably these things take time.

People keep showing me pictures of him with his agent on this holiday. IS the agent still on holidays with him?

*I know you've been staying clear of the thread, I'm on a summer of no transfer gossip or searching links etc

Trigger

TheDoc wrote: »

People keep showing me pictures of him with his agent on this holiday. IS the agent still on holidays with him?

*I know you've been staying clear of the thread, I'm on a summer of no transfer gossip or searching links etc

There has only been one picture with his agent on hols.. in a swimming pool.. the other picture going around that's supposedly being passed off as him and Raiola is a picture of Balotelli with Raiola.. he is back in Europe anyways has loads of players on the move this year.. trying to find clubs for Matuidi and Balotelli as well as Mkhitaryan and Ibra

Pro. F

TheDoc wrote: »

People keep showing me pictures of him with his agent on this holiday. IS the agent still on holidays with him?

*I know you've been staying clear of the thread, I'm on a summer of no transfer gossip or searching links etc

Presumably wherever the agent is he can do the negotiations from there and it serves whatever ideas about leverage that he might have. A player possibly being late back to training because of transfer and contract negotiations is just something you should expect.

Manutd_4life

Let's first get this dude to the club before worrying about his fitness!!!

Its only a matter of time now. His holiday ends in a couple of days I believe. Hopefully by the end of the week, it is official

DrPhilG

So when will we know when/where Pogba's flight lands?

I've tried not to get dragged into the whole saga but it's impossible at this stage.

Pogba said that he's now thinking about football so wherever he's going, it's to complete a deal in my opinion. If he goes to New York we've been gazumped. Real are in New York for a tour.



On the other hand if he lands in Manchester it's a done deal.

If he his flight is to Italy then I give up...

To be honest I think he will be ours. There's too many links. And if Real were involved then they would be doing it publicly.

Plus José has said that there is a 4th primary target. I'm confident that if Pogba wasn't happening then we would have moved on by now and signed someone else.