Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016 - Mod Warning Post #6863

crkball6

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

We don't know exactly why Mourinho was happy to let Mata move on several years ago at a different club, so we don't know if those reasons still apply.

He said it one of the recent interviews that mata wanted to go and he doesn't want players who don't want to be there. there's no big mystery here.

Maximus Alexander

crkball6 wrote: »

He said it one of the recent interviews that mata wanted to go and he doesn't want players who don't want to be there. there's no big mystery here.

Well of course he wanted to go, otherwise he wouldn't have. But he didn't want to go because he didn't like wearing blue. He wasn't first choice and didn't have a good relationship with the manager; which by extension would stem from Jose not favouring him; which probably wasn't because of his hairstyle, but more likely for footballing reasons that may or may not still apply.

DARK-KNIGHT

Down in Waterford for the week and promised my young lad and little girl the white United shirt 6 and 4 years old. Shaws department store 50 each. Lifestyle 75 each �� you robbing bastards

crkball6

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Well of course he wanted to go, otherwise he wouldn't have. But he didn't want to go because he didn't like wearing blue. He wasn't first choice and didn't have a good relationship with the manager; which by extension would stem from Jose not favouring him; which probably wasn't because of his hairstyle, but more likely for footballing reasons that may or may not still apply.

Not of course, he could have been as easily told to go, but he wasn't. He asked to go. If he asked that because he wasn't going to be first choice he should go now. If he wanted to go because he doesn't like Jose, he should go now. If he doesn't have a problem with Jose and has committed to being rotated in and out of the squad then he should stay.

Cookie_Dough

crkball6 wrote: »

Not of course, he could have been as easily told to go, but he wasn't. He asked to go. If he asked that because he wasn't going to be first choice he should go now. If he wanted to go because he doesn't like Jose, he should go now. If he doesn't have a problem with Jose and has committed to being rotated in and out of the squad then he should stay.

Can a club force a player to move if he is still under contract? Obviously Mata wanted to go. José has said this and also said Mata wasn't his first choice AT THAT TIME. Apparently he thought Oscar could do a better job.

This is a different club, a different time and a whole different set of circumstances. Nobody knows what José wants to do with Mata now and nobody knows what Mata wants to do himself (for all anybody knows Mata might be happy being a squad player). I would expect if he didn't like Jose he would have already arranged a move. I don't recall Mata every coming out and saying bad things about José after he left Chelsea either.

We can all be happy though that Mourinho views him as a number 10 anyway.

Time will tell, we will know when the transfer window shuts although i suspect the debate rage on until the January transfer window if Mata is still here in September.

crkball6

Cookie_Dough wrote: »

Can a club force a player to move if he is still under contract? Obviously Mata wanted to go. José has said this and also said Mata wasn't his first choice AT THAT TIME. Apparently he thought Oscar could do a better job.

Of course a club has never forced a player out still in contract.
give him a toilet brush, he'll soon be gone

Cookie_Dough wrote: »

This is a different club, a different time and a whole different set of circumstances. Nobody knows what José wants to do with Mata now and nobody knows what Mata wants to do himself (for all anybody knows Mata might be happy being a squad player). I would expect if he didn't like Jose he would have already arranged a move. I don't recall Mata every coming out and saying bad things about José after he left Chelsea either.

We can all be happy though that Mourinho views him as a number 10 anyway.

Time will tell, we will know when the transfer window shuts although i suspect the debate rage on until the January transfer window if Mata is still here in September.

no one's arguing otherwise. I'm stating my preference on how it should go if any of those situations are true.

Cookie_Dough

crkball6 wrote: »

Of course a club has never forced a player out still in contract.
give him a toilet brush, he'll soon be gone

So therefore the club couldn't have simply told him to go when he decided to leave Chelsea?

no one's arguing otherwise. I'm stating my preference on how it should go if any of those situations are true.

That's fair enough but obviously we don't know exactly that is and isn't true at this stage. I would have thought that if he wanted to leave he would have had something arranged by now especially when Mkhitaryan and now Pogba came in. It will be interesting to see what happens. The sooner the transfer window closes the better.

Edit: Also to clarify, it was others before you speculating that Mourinho wants rid of him.

irishchris

OT but just wondering if anyone has United super thread fantasy football league code.. I wrote it down but misplaced it and can't find it in this thread

Trigger

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irishchris

Prob been posted this morning already but loving this vid

irishchris

astradave wrote: »

Here ya go

Thanks a mill.. Couldn't find it all morning!

Adamocovic

Jesse talking about Mourinho recently.

He’s the main coach and the main manager. He takes all the sessions and, while he wants us to work hard, he is always cracking jokes and having banter with the players.

I thought he’d be very strict but, even though he works us hard and his mind is always on the job at all times, he also has a joke with the players.

I think that has helped the lads bond with him.

He has that presence and aura about him, but you can still speak to him about anything and he will always try to help.

paulie21

Why is Pogba suspended for Sunday?

Giggsy11

Pogba is suspended as he was booked twice in Italian cup.

MagicIRL

Pogba wouldn't have played 90mins on Sunday anyway. Be grand.

Mitch Connor

Would have thought Sunday too soon for Pogba anyway - only started training properly on Tuesday after near a month off.

Mitch Connor

Januzaj to Sunderland on loan for the season - good move for him and United, imo. A better move than the Dortmund one was, will be very interested to see how it goes for him. With consistent game time (and an attitude change, apparently) he could still be a very good player (and for United, too)

Mitch Connor

Team for Sunday?

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De Gea
Valencia-Bailly-Blind-Shaw

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Carrick

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Rooney---Fellaini
Lingard

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Martial

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Ibrahimovic

Mkhitaryan for Lingard is the only change I could see happening to that team. With Pogba unavailable and Schweinsteiger being shunned, there are no other options in midfield, imo.

Trigger

Does that always happen? First time I've seen it to my recollection.

Still has available on the FF..

Edit: actually now that I think of it, Barton had to serve his suspension in France didn't he

Rayne Wooney

I'm trying to have realistic expectations for the first couple of months, I think we will struggle to score goals for a while to be honest.

Weaning the players off the philosophy will take time

Nalz

Sunderland AFC (@SunderlandAFC)
20 mins ago - on Twitter

JANUZAJ CONFIRMED: #SAFC manager David Moyes announces that Adnan Januzaj has arrived on a season-long loan from @ManUtd.

jayo26

Ahh fek sake

#pogban

Crimson King

Weird he is banned but then again his debut can now be at home against the Saints.

Adamocovic

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I'm trying to have realistic expectations for the first couple of months, I think we will struggle to score goals for a while to be honest.

Weaning the players off the philosophy will take time

If things do start bad how long are we allowed to use this one as an excuse :pac:

Pro. F

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Well of course he wanted to go, otherwise he wouldn't have. But he didn't want to go because he didn't like wearing blue. He wasn't first choice and didn't have a good relationship with the manager; which by extension would stem from Jose not favouring him; which probably wasn't because of his hairstyle, but more likely for footballing reasons that may or may not still apply.

Iirc Mourinho said at the time that he wants the three players behind the CF to cover a lot of ground and get through a lot of work, and that Mata doesn't do that. From watching Jose's teams and Mata, anytime he's played, both of these things are true.

I know the substitution on Sunday doesn't necessarily change anything, but I think it's pretty clear Mata will be well down the pecking order for Jose.

jayo26

Adamocovic wrote: »

If things do start bad how long are we allowed to use this one as an excuse :pac:

I don't think it should be an excuse.

While I don't think klopp did particular well with Liverpool last season he did change their style of play in a matter of a week even if it was just running around.

Similar to pardew at palace he changed them overnight nearly.

While I don't expect everything to be roses I don't agree that lvg can be blamed for a slow start with united it will be up to the manager and coaches to make sure it don't effect results.

Billy86

I don't think I've ever heard of that before, the ban carrying over from one country to another (apart from European bans of course, but that's because it's still the same competition). Hope this isn't similar to 10-odd years back when Rooney got a preseason red for something stupid and the FA (or was it UEFA?) insisted all bans from preseason must stick. Then overturned one for Neil Mellor at Liverpool the next week.

I don't know why that still irritates me so much.

Billy86

Januzaj to Sunderland is a great move, from both clubs' perspective. He gives them a potential 'live wire', or 'game breaker' or 'buzz word but you know what I mean' attacking player that can be tricky to come by and with a manager that knows how to get the best out of him, while he should have a fair chance of getting a good deal of playing time and regaining his confidence before returning to us next year. And if he fails there, well at least we found out that he probably isn't what he thought he was three years ago without having to suffer on the pitch for it.

TheDoc

<EDIT> Saw the official communication now </edit>

To be honest irrelevant either way, as I doubt he would have featured on Sunday.

I'm expecting two CM's in a 4-3-2-1, and the CM's to be two from Schneiderlan, Herrera or Fellaini. I'll be absolutely sick if I see Carrick starting...

jayo26

https://www.instagram.com/p/BJAm37pDd01/

StringerBell

Really bulked out in terms of his shoulders, head, arms etc. Looks so much more powerful then that gangly kid I used to watch in the youths

Can't wait to see him back on the pitch in a United jersey!

TheTownie

Jose on Januzaj loan

Mourinho on Januzaj: "He's in my plans. That's why he's at a Premier League club."

jayo26

TheTownie wrote: »

Jose on Januzaj loan

It got sorer he said if he didn't care about him he would send him to Dortmund.

Trigger

Said Pogba will be ready by Tuesday so will be ready for Southampton..

The guy really doesn't mince his words..

Jose wrote:

We feel that we are a candidate to win the title. We know that others have the same ambitions as us.

“If, at the end of the season, somebody who is champion has been better than us, then great - that is football. In this moment as Manchester United Football Club, we cannot speak differently. We are going to fight for the title.

TheDoctor

#pogbanned

Maximus Alexander

jayo26 wrote: »

Ahh fek sake

#pogban

TheDoctor wrote: »

#pogbanned

Bit late there zerks.

Maximus Alexander

Pro. F wrote: »

Iirc Mourinho said at the time that he wants the three players behind the CF to cover a lot of ground and get through a lot of work, and that Mata doesn't do that. From watching Jose's teams and Mata, anytime he's played, both of these things are true.

I know the substitution on Sunday doesn't necessarily change anything, but I think it's pretty clear Mata will be well down the pecking order for Jose.

I don't think I'd agree with that. I feel that Mata, under Van Gaal at least, was covering a lot of ground and doing a lot of running. However, I can't find any stats that either support or refute it. The only thing I could find was that as of January he had covered more distance under LVG than any other United player, but it didn't account for minutes played which is useless.

How Soon Is Now

So any word on weather Mkhitaryan starts at the weekend?

Nalz

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

So any word on weather Mkhitaryan starts at the weekend?

any word?




maybe :pac:

How Soon Is Now

Nalz wrote: »

any word?




maybe :pac:

Yes? No? Lol

roosterman71

Pogba suspended this weekend due to 2 yellows he picked up in the Coppa Italia last year.
Probably wasn't gonna play anyway, but weird that cards from a cup competition in Italy carry to the English league

bangkok

I said up to 8 players would leave during this transfer window, how many are we up to now? Must be close to 8 and bastian still has to leave as well

deaddonkey15

irishchris wrote: »

Prob been posted this morning already but loving this vid

Is that a clip from the Emirates at 0:20?

Son Of A Vidic

bangkok wrote: »

I said up to 8 players would leave during this transfer window, how many are we up to now? Must be close to 8 and bastian still has to leave as well

Get him and Rojo out and I'll be happy.

DrPhilG

roosterman71 wrote: »

but weird that cards from a cup competition in Italy carry to the English league

Bloody stupid.

Makes sense if somebody gets a 6 month suspension for biting or headbutting etc but not for a 1 match thing like this.

Ps, now that McNair, Love and Januzaj have gone, does that mean that we should expect replacements as José suggested?

Cookiemunster

DrPhilG wrote: »

Ps, now that McNair, Love and Januzaj have gone, does that mean that we should expect replacements as José suggested?

Unlikely. They weren't part of the core squad. Only the likes of Rojo/Blind/Mata would be replaced I'd say.

Pro. F

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I don't think I'd agree with that. I feel that Mata, under Van Gaal at least, was covering a lot of ground and doing a lot of running. However, I can't find any stats that either support or refute it. The only thing I could find was that as of January he had covered more distance under LVG than any other United player, but it didn't account for minutes played which is useless.

Also distance covered really doesn't work well for telling how hard a player or team worked. Number and intensity of sprints or something like that would be more useful, but they don't seem to be publicly available.

Badabing

Liverpool Man Utd on Monday night 17 October

Maximus Alexander

Pro. F wrote: »

Also distance covered really doesn't work well for telling how hard a player or team worked. Number and intensity of sprints or something like that would be more useful, but they don't seem to be publicly available.

Agreed, although the source I found also said he had the highest number of sprints for United. Same problem, no mention of minutes. It's here if you're interested, near the end of the article. Shame the likes of Squawka don't have these sorts of stats.

TheDoctor

Badabing wrote: »

Liverpool Man Utd on Monday night 17 October

Hopefully Neville and Carragher both on that night.