Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016 - Mod Warning Post #6863

TheTownie

Jose Post Match

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnIfaKDu4LU

Nalz

Nalz wrote: »

Rooney wasn't great today but he wasn't terrible.

He gets overally criticised and then gets overally defended by others.

Was a bit in the middle today but I worry about him ever being a "big" player for us. I hope I'm wrong and he hits a purple patch for 8-10 games this season.

Why has this now become acceptable?

Adamocovic

DM_7

adox wrote: »

It is in one way and Blind did play really well but I think we would be fooling ourselves if we thought he was a long term solution for CB.

Blind was very good overall last season and was very good again today.

I wouldn't want him against Lukaku but against sides with average sized forwards or who play football on the ground he is a great option.

United don't have a Rio Ferdinand who will play in every game he is fit. The CBs are going to get swapped around now depending on the opposition.

Adamocovic

TheTownie wrote: »

Jose Post Match

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnIfaKDu4LU

When one of the journalists phone was vibrating I frantically started looking for mine :pac::pac:

Whatsisname

Pro. F wrote: »

What did I misrepresent about what Whatsisname said? He claims he never even mentioned Ibra ffs.

Are you always this purposely pedantic? You brought Ibra into the debate, not me. I answered in relation to Ibra and was told I did not answer you and have seemingly been added to the list of not being worthy enough to engage with Pro F.

Trigger

TheTownie wrote: »

Jose Post Match

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnIfaKDu4LU

Any transcripts floating around dya know?

Pro. F

Pro. F wrote: »

If Rooney had misplaced as many simple passes or had as few shots as Ibra today he would be being slaughtered for it right now. But there's not been a single mention of those aspects of Ibra's game today. Shows the quality of analysis coming from Rooney's critics.

After thinking about this for a while I think it's unfair to be tarring all of Rooney's critics with the same brush. There are some who go overboard in their criticisms and plenty who are more reasonable, that post would only apply to the former.

Adamocovic

astradave wrote: »

Any transcripts floating around dya know?

Tried copy pasting but way too long :P

https://josesunited.wordpress.com/2016/08/14/post-match-press-conference-jose-mourinho-1-3-win-vs-bournemouth-a-pl/

jayo26

Pro. F wrote: »

According to whoscored he had 4 unsuccessful touches - joint second most of all 10s and CFs this weekend, behind Kane (6); Llorente and Berahino were both 4 as well. And was disposed twice - the same as 7 other players; there were 8 players with 3+ disposessions. I'd say given how much more he was involved with possession than most in his position (3rd most total passes, 25% more passes than 4th place), that those numbers are fine, but it's open to interpretation.

Dont get me wrong I'm not bashing him or saying he is worst I was just pointing out he had a fair few faults today too.

I do agree with you he does get more bashing then other players and doesn't deserve most of it.

The_Kew_Tour

Was working so only had it in in a stream while I was meant be working;)

Not going give opinion on how players did as be very unfair on what I saw, but delighted with the win.

Today was just about 3 points and just getting into the grove so to speak. Jose teams generally start very slow so this is good.

Giggsy11

https://twitter.com/Zonal_Marking/status/764895928838946817

Pro. F

Whatsisname wrote: »

Are you always this purposely pedantic? You brought Ibra into the debate, not me. I answered in relation to Ibra and was told I did not answer you and have seemingly been added to the list of not being worthy enough to engage with Pro F.

Of course I brought Ibra into the debate. I made the first post on the topic and it was explicitly about Ibra and Rooney. You started responding to things I didn't say and then later tried to claim you never even mentioned Ibra. Calling you on a strawman isn't being pedantic, you've just been all over the shop with your argument.

Whatsisname

Pro. F wrote: »

Of course I brought Ibra into the debate. I made the first post on the topic and it was explicitly about Ibra and Rooney. You started responding to things I didn't say and then later tried to claim you never even mentioned Ibra.

Not gonna repeat myself again cause you only read what you want to read. Have a good evening.

Billy86

Giggsy11 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Zonal_Marking/status/764895928838946817

Personally I would have him starting over Rooney OR Mata (Zlatan up front, Mkh & Martial out wide, Pogba +1 in CM)... but that's just me.

Feckin' love Ander. One of the most wrongly-and-underutilised/underappreciated players in England if not Europe for the last 2 years.

Nalz

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Why has this now become acceptable?

Never said it was and I think many know it isn't.

Still doesn't mean he was muck

Rossi IRL

-12 points for next week on ff.

The culling began.

jayo26

Donno what he said but sounds like it was to do with his award ha

https://www.instagram.com/p/BJGD2FjAuEK/

Jimmy Iovine

jayo26 wrote: »

Donno what he said but sounds like it was to do with his award ha

https://www.instagram.com/p/BJGD2FjAuEK/

Wishing happy birthday to his brother I think.

Discodog

"Vidic was more hard and played really hard. He was my favourite player at United and in the Premier League. I want to be like him with my performances for United.”

Eric Bailly . Nice to see a young player playing like his favourite player.

Son Of A Vidic

Discodog wrote: »

"Vidic was more hard and played really hard. He was my favourite player at United and in the Premier League. I want to be like him with my performances for United.”

Eric Bailly . Nice to see a young player playing like his favourite player.

He's certainly made a good start and is heading in the right direction today. A one point today, he made a powerful interception, cleared the ball and the Bournemouth player nearly ended up in the car park.:)

adox

Son Of A Vidic wrote: »

He's certainly made a good start and is heading in the right direction today. A one point today, he made a powerful interception, cleared the ball and the Bournemouth player nearly ended up in the car park.:)

What I really like about him, apart from his obvious qualities that he has shown(yes I know it is very very early in his Utd career) is his decisiveness in everything he does. He never seems to hesitate, he just makes his decision and commits to it.
That speaks of a player who is confident in his game.

He does and will make some rash challenges at times but I would prefer to see that and for him to learn from that than hesitancy or trying to hide a little.

A hugely exciting prospect and even at this early stage it looks like his game is really suited to the premier league.

Son Of A Vidic

adox wrote: »

What I really like about him, apart from his obvious qualities that he has shown(yes I know it is very very early in his Utd career) is his decisiveness in everything he does. He never seems to hesitate, he just makes his decision and commits to it.
That speaks of a player who is confident in his game.

He does and will make some rash challenges at times but I would prefer to see that and for him to learn from that than hesitancy or trying to hide a little.

A hugely exciting prospect and even at this early stage it looks like his game is really suited to the premier league.

I think you nailed it there. After years of nervy indecisiveness in defense, his forceful decisiveness is refreshing to see alright. I thought it would take him a few games to show us some promise, but he's off to a great start and I certainly never expected it.

pheasant tail

You know things are on the up when your looking forward to MOTD again 😊 New Zlatan song sounded great today too, delighted he scored

Robson99

Billy86 wrote: »

Personally I would have him starting over Rooney OR Mata (Zlatan up front, Mkh & Martial out wide, Pogba +1 in CM)... but that's just me.

Feckin' love Ander. One of the most wrongly-and-underutilised/underappreciated players in England if not Europe for the last 2 years.

Same as that. Would gave him ahead of Rooney and Mata as well

Liam O

DM_7 wrote: »

Blind was very good overall last season and was very good again today.

I wouldn't want him against Lukaku but against sides with average sized forwards or who play football on the ground he is a great option.

United don't have a Rio Ferdinand who will play in every game he is fit. The CBs are going to get swapped around now depending on the opposition.

Some of Blind's best games for United have been in CB against Lukaku. He has his number. Yet again had a great game today.

I like Blind and another in there. Smalling and Bailly are similar enough imo but maybe there will be games where that will suit. Having an extra option in there is great. Especially one that's hit the ground running as well as Bailly. Something some other CBs have failed to do in recent years.

Comic Book Guy

Has anybody mentioned that both starting full backs actually finished the game?!

adox

I know I'm never going to agree with certain posters on Blind as CB and they will never agree with me but I honestly don't think he will be a regular first choice there.

I certainly hope he isn't but that isn't influencing my opinion that he won't be.

DM_7

Liam O wrote: »

Some of Blind's best games for United have been in CB against Lukaku. He has his number. Yet again had a great game today.

I like Blind and another in there. Smalling and Bailly are similar enough imo but maybe there will be games where that will suit. Having an extra option in there is great. Especially one that's hit the ground running as well as Bailly. Something some other CBs have failed to do in recent years.

That was Martinez' Lukaku though, I was getting at the physical side, I wouldn't want him for a game where the the ball is played in the air. Basically the West Ham away game at end of last season.

On the ground or with people running at him he is very good, really impresses when going back towards his own goal (saw that again today).

RobbingBandit

How different will the starting 11 be on Friday vs Southampton. Pogba will have to start maybe Smalling too. Will Mata and Fellaini?

jayo26

The best thing about today's performance was that we still have pogba to come into the team it's actually unreal. Can't wait for Friday night.

Rossi IRL

RobbingBandit wrote: »

How different will the starting 11 be on Friday vs Southampton. Pogba will have to start maybe Smalling too. Will Mata and Fellaini?

I think Fellaini is undroppable after todays performance.

jayo26

Rossi IRL wrote: »

I think Fellaini is undroppable after todays performance.

I think the same about our defence also you couldn't drop any of them straight away for Smalling.

Cookie_Dough

I think Ander played very well today. Delighted we got off to a winning start.

https://twitter.com/AnderHerrera/status/764877484580102148

StringerBell

I think Mata will go out for Miki to make his debut, (could be wrong obviously and he might just be introduced from the bench) I also think Herrera will bow out for Pogba. Other then that I see it being pretty much as you were with the only other decision being Blind or Smalling because Bailly was feckin excellent! Herrera put in a very good performance too and will be harsh to be dropping out, but you I don't see him dropping Fellaini as he will allow Pogba more freedom going forward.

RobbingBandit

Rossi IRL wrote: »

I think Fellaini is undroppable after todays performance.

Gonna be difficult to drop more than a few after today Tony V worked his socks off too.

jayo26

Was a great super Sunday infairness 2 excellent games on motd2 which is on bbc2 by the way.

GSPfan

Only worry I have for this season is Rashfords time on the pitch. Really hope he is not reduced to bit part appearances when Zlatan decides he wants a week off.

adox

RobbingBandit wrote: »

How different will the starting 11 be on Friday vs Southampton. Pogba will have to start maybe Smalling too. Will Mata and Fellaini?

I'd be surprised if Pogba starts.

Fellaini will definitely start I'd say.

StringerBell

I think he will see plenty of game time in the Europa and Carling Cup, I am sure he will get plenty of minutes in the league too over the course of the season

Niska

Comic Book Guy wrote: »

Has anybody mentioned that both starting full backs actually finished the game?!

http://www.football365.com/news/mata-can-still-be-uniteds-juan-and-only

5th Paragraph:

Even weirder was the site of both full-backs walking off un-substituted after the final whistle.

GSPfan

Re: Rashford

I hope so. Really like watching him play.

Re: Pogba

He has to start on Friday. £89 million to be phased in, no way. He needs to start.

killwill

RobbingBandit wrote: »

How different will the starting 11 be on Friday vs Southampton. Pogba will have to start maybe Smalling too. Will Mata and Fellaini?

If I had to guess I would say the following.

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DDG

---

Val

---

Bailly

---

Smalling

---

Shaw

---

Fellaini

---

Pogba

---

---

Rooney

---

MickeyRyan

---

Martial

---

Ibra

---

I wouldn't at all be surprised to see Blind playing the roll Matic did for Mourinho in the long run.

adox

GSPfan wrote: »

Only worry I have for this season is Rashfords time on the pitch. Really hope he is not reduced to bit part appearances when Zlatan decides he wants a week off.

I think he will get plenty of game time. He's not only able to compete for the striker role but also for either of the "wide" positions.

Isn't it great though to be worrying if players will get enough time because of competition rather than worrying about who we have to play in positions?

GSPfan

adox wrote: »

Isn't it great though to be worrying if players will get enough time because of competition rather than worrying about who we have to play in positions?

True that.

adox

killwill wrote: »

If I had to guess I would say the following.

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DDG

---

Val

---

Bailly

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Smalling

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Shaw

---

Fellaini

---

Pogba

---

---

Rooney

---

MickeyRyan

---

Martial

---

Ibra

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I wouldn't at all be surprised to see Blind playing the roll Matic did for Mourinho in the long run.

I think Jose sees Fellaini as his Matic rather than Blind.

TitianGerm

killwill wrote: »

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DDG

---

Val

---

Bailly

---

Smalling

---

Shaw

---

Fellaini

---

Pogba

---

---

Mata

---

MickeyRyan

---

Martial

---

Ibra

---

That's probably your best team at the minute.

Cookiemunster

GSPfan wrote: »

Re: Pogba

He has to start on Friday. £89 million to be phased in, no way. He needs to start.

He doesn't. He's had a 2 week preseason. Unless he's fully fit he doesn't start. You protect an £89m investment ahead of a long season.

Whatsisname

Returning home after a few months away on Friday night, wouldn't you know my flights at 8pm. Surely enough Pogba will do a madness as I'll miss it!

bangkok

Team did well today, but I think smalling will start in place of blind v Southampton.

Great to get 3 points today. Get a bit of momentum going. Serious squad we have now