Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016 - Mod Warning Post #6863

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Lord TSC wrote: »

Gary and jamie discussing United on MNF right now

Spot on analysis of Rooney. Coming deep to get involved but playing backwards passes or running in that direction and leaving a gaping hole where he's supposed to be playing and dictating play. Not a single pass into the box.

Rossi IRL

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I do wonder where Hart would go.

Liverpool the best domestic side that could do with an upgrade on their keeper. I think Hart is better than mignolet, but don't know if a deal would be done at this stage of the window.

Spurs don't need a keeper. Arsenal don't need one. Chelsea don't need one.

Could see him going to a team like West Ham

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https://twitter.com/Carra23/status/765239194612563968

https://twitter.com/GNev2/status/765244553867722752

JakeArmitage

zerks wrote: »

Spot on analysis of Rooney. Coming deep to get involved but playing backwards passes or running in that direction and leaving a gaping hole where he's supposed to be playing and dictating play. Not a single pass into the box.

Well if they can see it , theres no doubt jose has aswell

jayo26

brinty wrote: »

At least it'd not an endless
Fellaini/Rooney/welbeck/tclevz circle jerk argument

brinty wrote: »

At least it'd not an endless
Fellaini/Rooney/welbeck/tclevz circle jerk argument

Heard ya the first time.....

Trigger

Doesn't sound good for Pereira

https://twitter.com/samuelluckhurst/status/765246378146664448

Lord TSC

zerks wrote: »

Spot on analysis of Rooney. Coming deep to get involved but playing backwards passes or running in that direction and leaving a gaping hole where he's supposed to be playing and dictating play. Not a single pass into the box.

Was only half listening (playing Overwatch at the time) but am I right saying that Jamie said the issue could be that older strikers tend to drop back and need a pacier one up front to complement either? And that Gary thought that he could see Rooney and Pogba with a holding mid behind them in center mid?

DARK-KNIGHT

Rooney in midfield is enough to drive someone mental

Whatsisname

astradave wrote: »

Doesn't sound good for Pereira

https://twitter.com/samuelluckhurst/status/765246378146664448

That fellas a bit of a ****house tbh, he was the one running the "Mata had to be restrained" story.

jayo26

Whatsisname wrote: »

That fellas a bit of a ****house tbh, he was the one running the "Mata had to be restrained" story.

Infairness de gea had to jump on mata to restrain him and here is the proof

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TheTownie

Lord TSC wrote: »

Was only half listening (playing Overwatch at the time) but am I right saying that Jamie said the issue could be that older strikers tend to drop back and need a pacier one up front to complement either? And that Gary thought that he could see Rooney and Pogba with a holding mid behind them in center mid?

Both Jamie and Gary basically came to the same conclusion, that Rooney and Pogba can take turns arriving into the box as the other drops back. Sounds like the kind of rhetoric used to justify playing Rooney. Assuming Mkhitaryan has no issues integrating, why not play him instead. Faster, better dribbler, more creative, can score as many as Rooney IMO. Only problem is Jose might have him earmarked for RW.

Whatsisname

jayo26 wrote: »

Infairness de gea had to jump on mata to restrain him and here is the proof

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The man, the myth, the legend, Steve Round

jayo26

Dimitri Mitchell just scored a cracking goal for the u23 against Leicester superb finish.

jayo26

Whatsisname wrote: »

The man, the myth, the legend, Steve Round

Phil Neville with the I haven't a clue what I'm doing head.

DM_7

TheTownie wrote: »

Both Jamie and Gary basically came to the same conclusion, that Rooney and Pogba can take turns arriving into the box as the other drops back. Sounds like the kind of rhetoric used to justify playing Rooney. Assuming Mkhitaryan has no issues integrating, why not play him instead. Faster, better dribbler, more creative, can score as many as Rooney IMO. Only problem is Jose might have him earmarked for RW.

So far it appears that Jose wants his RW to be the one finding spaces and creating. Not the no 10.

The number 10 role looks to involve going towards players to provide a passing option rather than going into space. Rooney will be tasked with occupying the defence to make space for others. Look at where he received his passes at the weekend as an example.

Then look at Jesse and Mata over last two games, much more freedom with Valencia covering the right hand side.

Whatsisname

jayo26 wrote: »

Phil Neville with the I haven't a clue what I'm doing head.

You're bringing back too many repressed memories Jayo

roosterman71

Mitchell goal in the u23s
https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/765281158548467713

jayo26

Whatsisname wrote: »

You're bringing back too many repressed memories Jayo

Dont know what your talking about
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Flint Fredstone

zerks wrote: »

Spot on analysis of Rooney. Coming deep to get involved but playing backwards passes or running in that direction and leaving a gaping hole where he's supposed to be playing and dictating play. Not a single pass into the box.

Was there nobody there to throw stats at them?

Whatsisname

jayo26 wrote: »

Dont know what your talking about
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His greatest moment

Adamocovic

Don't know how much truth is in it to be honest, not much concrete stuff yet but a lot seem to be linking Pereira with a loan move to Boro, if he would be given game time that would be a great move for him, hope the rumours are true.

brinty

jayo26 wrote:

Heard ya the first time.....

Sorry
Was on the train and Wi-Fi was crap n

Leroy42

Whatsisname wrote: »

jayo26 wrote: »

Dont know what your talking about
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His greatest moment

Fulham never recovered from that. Where are they now? Nobody gives Moyes credit for that.

Knocked Fulham off their f***ing perch!

jayo26

brinty wrote: »

Sorry
Was on the train and Wi-Fi was crap n

Trains are for nerds

Lads Conte is a nutjob in a fun way I'll enjoy watching him on touchline this season

Hococop

Whatsisname wrote: »

His greatest moment

That game was my turning point on Moyes

jayo26

Leroy42 wrote: »

Fulham never recovered from that. Where are they now? Nobody gives Moyes credit for that.

Knocked Fulham off their f***ing perch!

Loved this post.

J. Marston

Costa scores when he should have been sent off, and refs think they should be getting respect.

If you're too scared to make a decision, expect shít from players.

Manutd_4life

That game was a mess, especially from a referee point of view.

Anyway still top of the table

jayo26

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Cookie_Dough

brinty wrote: »

Sorry
Was on the train and Wi-Fi was crap n

Was it the positivity train?

After Gameweek 1 We're still top of the league! Great start. Hope we can keep it up and get. A good run together

Jayop

Christ that Zlaooney photo.

Once seen....

Trigger

jayo26 wrote: »

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speechless

https://twitter.com/AnthonyMartial/status/764859619613310976

Really not a fan of players taking personal stuff to Twitter, mainly as its not a rational thing to do.

Lithium93_

Deleted User wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AnthonyMartial/status/764859619613310976

Really not a fan of players taking personal stuff to Twitter, mainly as its not a rational thing to do.

Who's that being aimed at?

Kerrydude1981

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Who's that being aimed at?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3739847/100-000-week-love-rat-Man-Utd-star-Martial-ditched-mother-baby-daughter-gives-just-3-000-month-live-on.html

Hococop

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Who's that being aimed at?

His ex, she did an interview with some paper so I'm guessing he thinks she told a few lies

Lord TSC

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Who's that being aimed at?

Ex-girlfriend and mother of his child. She's selling her story to The Sun (iirc) and has been mouthing off publicly about how he's "only" giving her €3000 a month towards the upbringing of the kid (which has changed since a week or two ago, she was saying he wasn't paying anything...).

Lithium93_

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3739847/100-000-week-love-rat-Man-Utd-star-Martial-ditched-mother-baby-daughter-gives-just-3-000-month-live-on.html

Hococop wrote: »

His ex, she did an interview with some paper so I'm guessing he thinks she told a few lies

Lord TSC wrote: »

Ex-girlfriend and mother of his child. She's selling her story to The Sun (iirc) and has been mouthing off publicly about how he's "only" giving her €3000 a month towards the upbringing of the kid (which has changed since a week or two ago, she was saying he wasn't paying anything...).

Thanks for clearing it up lads.

Rayne Wooney

Lose lose situation to be fair, stay silent and let the story grow or say something and get berated for having a public personal life..

How would the divorce work? Would she only get half of what he earned up until last year? Probably feeling a little aggrieved that he could earn 100 million in his career and she only gets a couple of hundred thousand possibly

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From tonight's MNF.

Jayop

4 touches in the box Vs 1 in the last 3 games.

None of those were passes either so what, 3 shots and one dispossession IIRC?

beno619

zerks wrote: »

From tonight's MNF.

Reminds me of TC 23.

The stuff going on with Martial is effecting his form IMO. Don't think his head is right and hasn't been based on his summer so far.

Rooney's form dropped off a cliff when stuff came out about cheating few years back.

TheTownie

Jayop wrote: »

4 touches in the box Vs 1 in the last 3 games.

None of those were passes either so what, 3 shots and one dispossession IIRC?

3 shots and the dive I'd guess.

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https://twitter.com/footballitalia/status/765308392697102340

bucketybuck

The "passes" diagram was the one that stood out to me watching it earlier, where are the forward passes?

This is supposed to be our creative fulcrum but where are the through balls? Where are the short passes forward to start a one-two? Where are the arrows pointing in the direction of the opponents goal?

I like Rooney but I'll say it again, creatively he is holding this team back.

Pro. F

zerks wrote: »

From tonight's MNF.

Good man. I was just uploading those images into a post, you've saved me the hassle.

It's mental. Carrager thinks those touch maps from last season (when Rooney was playing midfield) are very similar to the one from Sunday (the one with the circle) and so that is evidence that Rooney was playing too deep. The man is being paid to analyse football and this is the argument he comes up with! The lad is hopeless.

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Not sure if the link to the analysis is allowed but here is the piece by Carragher on Rooney:

http://www.fullmatchesandshows.com/2016/08/15/monday-night-football-premier-league-round-1-full-show/

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Pro. F wrote: »

Good man. I was just uploading those images into a post, you've saved me the hassle.

It's mental. Carrager thinks those touch maps from last season (when Rooney was playing midfield) are very similar to the one from Sunday (the one with the circle) and so that is evidence that Rooney was playing too deep. The man is being paid to analyse football and this is the argument he comes up with! The lad is hopeless.

His point was Rooney is deployed as a #10 but spent all the time playing much the same as he did last season and left holes in the space he was employed to occupy.Running backwards and being deeper than the midfielders is not what a number 10 should be doing.He was like Carrick yesterday rather than the creator he is meant to be.

Pro. F

zerks wrote: »

His point was Rooney is deployed as a #10 but spent all the time playing much the same as he did last season and left holes in the space he was employed to occupy.Running backwards and being deeper than the midfielders is not what a number 10 should be doing.He was like Carrick yesterday rather than the creator he is meant to be.

When have you seen Carrick get that far forward that often in open play? Just look at the touch map that Caragher provided, Rooney got forward plenty. It's actually a very common tactic for 10s to vacate the 10 area in order to draw out the opposition, just like it's common for 9s to drop deeper to lose their markers.

Adamocovic

Jakers can't believe that Martial tweet. The fact that he has tweeted about it suggests that it is affecting him.

Obviously every player is put under the spotlight and media will pounce at everything, it's nothing new seeing the relationship scandal but when players let it affect them it can lead to some poor form.

I am always under the opinion that one of the most crucial things for a goalscorer or forward player is mentality. You could be the most talented man in the world but if you aren't right mentally it won't click, likewise average players can hit tremendous form when they think they are unstoppable.

Now I hope Martial comes out and plays a blinder in the next few games to prove me wrong but I would be worried that the whole thing could affect his form.