Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016 - Mod Warning Post #6863

TheTownie

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

If Pogba doesn't want to come back Payet will do I suppose:)

Payet not a CM.

Manutd_4life

Oh s**t. Confirmed then. Giggs wanted the job all along

https://twitter.com/bbcsport/status/750279755899998208

Cypher_sounds

TheTownie wrote: »

Payet not a CM.

I didn't saw he was

French-wise he will do;)

Adamcp898

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I wonder who the 4th player will be. It seems clear Pogba is the target, but getting him is another matter. If we don't get Pogba, is there a secondary target as backup? We've not been heavily linked with any other CMs. Small links to Gomes, Matuidi, Kante.

Or perhaps the "third" player that's apparently nearly done isn't Pogba but someone else (like Lozano) and Pogba is the "fourth" target that there's uncertainty over.

Decent summary: http://www.bbc.com/sport/live/36413813

TheTownie

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

I didn't saw he was

French-wise he will do

If you failed to sign a CM i.e. Pogba, why then go sign an AM? Utd need a CM.

Rather sign some other French CM

Cookie_Dough

v3ttel wrote: »

That was great. Rooney is a #10 or a striker, not in midfield. Another player incoming after Mkhitaryan, and possibly more after that depending on how it goes. We won't be leaving transfer business until the last minute.

All in all, that was everything I wanted to hear from our new manager. Roll on the start of the season. I'm going to the first home game...... can't wait.

Same, can't wait now!! José seemed to say all the right things in his press conference. Hopefully we will get an entertaining game and beat Southampton by a few goals

adox

Liam O wrote: »

Moyes was given an unmotivated group of over the hill players who were still loyal to the last manager. Any manager bar Mourinho or Pep, maybe even them, would have struggled. Especially when none of their targets were signed. He should have been given a chance to get rid of the players causing the problems. He was there for a year and was the person best placed for this.

When LVG came in he was an outsider who was starting from square one. Now he did a good enough job on the cull but United were lucky to make the CL last season and probably wouldn't have if Liverpool had kept Suarez. Players who were useful were sold and players who were on the wane were kept. Leading to another bad season this time when none of the big money experienced signings performed and it was 2 kids left to nearly save the teams skin but ultimately came up short. Now it's great Martial and Rashford are there but no top team would have that kind of reliance on 2 players so raw.

That isnt what happened at all.

Cookiemunster

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Or perhaps the "third" player that's apparently nearly done isn't Pogba but someone else (like Lozano) and Pogba is the "fourth" target that there's uncertainty over.

Decent summary: http://www.bbc.com/sport/live/36413813

The third player is Mkhitaryan. 1st is Bailly, 2nd is Zlatan.

MagicIRL

Build up underway. Currently playing the Zlatan Ibrahimovic interview.
10:55 - Jose is in the house!
10:56 - MUTV not sure whether it's pronounced Jo-se or Ho-se
10:57 - The boss is in session!
10:58 - Louise does the safety brief and Sky get the first question in.
10:59 - Sky ask 'Which ONE are you this time?'. The boss says 'I don't know. It is difficult to describe this club'.
11:00 - "I don't like to say 'Dream Job'. This is reality. I am the Man United manager" - banging out the quotes early!
11:01 - "I am where I want to be. I am a bit frustrated I am not in the Champions League. I am frustrated that I can't continue the chase for Sir Alex's records. Man United is a Champions League club. In July 2017, instead of waiting for Europa League draw, we have to make sure the club is where it should be."
11:02 - BBC ask what is the aim? To compete or to win? "I was never very good hiding behind words and philosophies. I never tried to be good at that. I was always much more aggressive in my approach, and take the risks that can bring. It would be easy to focus on the past three years, but it would be pragmatic to say lets get back to the Champions League. I am not good at that, I am more aggressive, and to be more aggressive is to say We want to win."
11:03 - "I suspect one of you will ask about style of play. I can anticipate that by saying; you can win a short competition or a couple of matches, but you cannot win a league not playing. To win you need to score more than the opponent, to give everything, to make the fans proud. It is an aggressive approach, but it is how I want to be. I want to score goals, I want to not concede goals, I want fans behind us in the last 10 minutes if we're holding on."
11:04 - Daily Mail ask; do you have a point to prove after last season? "There are some managers that last won a title 10 years ago, some have never won a title. I won a title 1 year ago. If I have a lot to prove, then imagine the others!"
11:05 - "I play against myself. I would never be able to work without success."
11:07 - "For so many years, success was routine. These last 3 years need to be forgotten. The players need to forget. To finish 4th? Finishing 4th is not the aim. I'm 53, not 63 or 73. Maybe you are tired of me because I started so young, but I'm a young manager, and I need to go for these big challenges."
11:08 - Premier League productions ask how many more changes are needed to the squad: "I don't know. The third player is already official?" Louise: "No......", Jose: "When?", Louise: "Soon", Jose: "OK. We made 4 positions priority. To give better balance and to get the qualities that I want. Especially vision. I like specialists more than multi-functioned players. I like one or two of those, as you need one or two guys who can fill the problems in a season, but I like specialists more."
11:09 - "We have 2 or 3 confirmed now?" Louise: "2", Jose: "We have 3 (laughter). When we have the 4th, I will breathe, and we will do this before August 31st. I also want to keep happy players."
11:11 - "Imagine someone is not happy here, or gets an offer they want to take, or they want a new option, then once I finish the fundamentals I will breathe, and then the supplemental deals can be made to solve that."
11:12 - "Now there are 20 teams fighting for the title. That is Leicesters legacy. If a team has 5 wins in 5 matches at the start, they will be candidates. The time for a December collapse is over. Leicester they have killed that. To only speak of only one club, or the word I hate; enemy (i hate that in life too), it is not right. It is not like Spain for a 2 horse race, or Italy a 3 team title. Here, it doesn't make sense to take the same approach. If you focus on one team, the others will be laughing. I am the United manager, with all the respect to all the clubs in the country, especially one that was my house for seven years. I have a great time with their fans, but now I am manager of the Biggest club in the UK. But I have the respect to every club in the league."
11:15 - Giggs leaving and youth policy: "First of all, I have 5 more minutes. I need 10 to explain fully. You know how many youth team players I have promoted to a first team? 49....49....49 players from the academies of my clubs. Sometimes you promote players because of no choice, sometimes through mass injury, that is one factor. Another factor is that when you're not playing for big targets you have a chance to bring them up. My injury record is very, very low. I had least injuries in several UEFA notes. Second factor is that I always fight for the title, so there isn't always stability to do it. But I have done 49, and they are names that are Champions League winners, playing in the Euros, playing for their national teams. One lie repeated many times will look true, but is always a lie. So many of YOU, with intention or not, I don't care, but it's not true."
11:19 - "And about Ryan, I will not run away. It is not my fault, Ryan wanted to be Man United manager, and the club for their own reasons decided it was for me. From this moment, Ryan wants to be a manager, like I did 14 years ago. For many of us, we start as assistant coaches, and the time comes to make a decision, so when you ask did I offer him a job, or could he have had a job, he made that decision, he made the brave decision to go, and he has made the step to not only leave from assistant to manager, but also his house of 29 years, and he made the brave and honest step. If he ever wants to come back whilst I'm here, he is welcome, and it is natural one day to be offered the manager job".
11:22 - Any advice from Sir Alex: "Bring an umbrella. Was great advice. Bring my typical bottle of wine, as we will have many occasions to drink together. I cannot see him this week as he is at the Euro's. But when he comes back we're both based in Manchester and he is always welcomed at the training ground, and we will have time to share our personal stuff in life, and his opinion is always important. So many legends are still here and their opinions matter. Agree or not agree, he is always respected and I want to learn what they can teach me."
11:24 - Is Rooney a Striker or Midfielder; "There are many jobs on the field, the most difficult is the guy who puts the ball in the net. It is normal that a player at this age changes. The natural appetite changes. Maybe his not a striker anymore, or a natural 9, but for me he is never a number 6. He is there to put the ball in the net. He will be a 9, a 10 or a 9 and a half. But not a 6 or an 8."
That concludes the press conference. The boss has left, and what an opening show!

Taken from https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/4rbwu4/jose_mourinho_press_conference/

Also, apparently the Mickey Ryan welcome banner was leaked by the official account when trying to link to the press conference.

https://i.imgur.com/0lwpf77.png

Polo_Mint

Your Welcome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFPpCCtMjfA

Cypher_sounds

TheTownie wrote: »

If you failed to sign a CM i.e. Pogba, why then go sign an AM? Utd need a CM.

Rather sign some other French CM

I don't think we badly need to sign a cm but if we do sign a quality player like Pogba then fantastic.

But with Herrera/Blind/Basti/Carrick/Fellaini we are ok there.

Just personally I'd prefer to see another exciting winger/am brought in esp if Mata is gone. Not sure about Memphis lasting too long under Jose with his work ethic.

Crimson King

The pogba links seem too strong to be ignored. They remind me of the ibra rumours, as in it's an open secret. I have no doubt whatsoever that Jose has been talking to these guys for months now and is only perusing those he knows will come. Not nice when it's your players I suppose but that's just the way the man operates, which is great for United if albeit a little on the shady side.

Loving the way he just dismissed Rooney as a MF, in one interview he shows his handling of the media and also what his intentions are for players

bangkok

Rooney back up front, excellent news

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Mkhitarayan


so many options for next season

Adamcp898

Cookiemunster wrote: »

The third player is Mkhitaryan. 1st is Bailly, 2nd is Zlatan.

Bit of a brain fart, wasn't including Zlatan as a squad "building" signing

bangkok

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

I don't think we badly need to sign a cm but if we do sign a quality player like Pogba then fantastic.

But with Herrera/Blind/Basti/Carrick/Fellaini we are ok there.

Just personally I'd prefer to see another exciting winger/am brought in esp if Mata is gone. Not sure about Memphis lasting too long under Jose with his work ethic.

none of the above players score the goals that a club of our size needs to compete. Pogba would add 10 goals + a season from midfield

alchemist33

Delighted to hear he won't be tied to any philosophies. No "United Way" or focussing on pretty football like Pep was at pains to point out.

Just winning.

bangkok

alchemist33 wrote: »

Delighted to hear he won't be tied to any philosophies. No "United Way" or focussing on pretty football like Pep was at pains to point out.

Just winning.

better clean this for the season ahead

alchemist33

bangkok wrote: »

better clean this for the season ahead

I expect to hear a lot from rival fans about buses. I expect to ignore it

Polo_Mint

alchemist33 wrote: »

I expect to hear a lot from rival fans about buses. I expect to ignore it

Did we get a new bus?

our old one is full of holes

RobertKK

https://twitter.com/telegraphducker/status/750270380368072704

JM: "I want specialists. From this four, we have 3. Until we have the fourth we are working hard on that." - that's Pogba

Cypher_sounds

bangkok wrote: »

none of the above players score the goals that a club of our size needs to compete. Pogba would add 10 goals + a season from midfield

They are capable of scoring goals.

Tell me how many goals the current premier league champions central midfielders scored between them last season?

bangkok

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

They are capable of scoring goals.

Tell me how many goals the current premier league champions central midfielders scored between them last season?

not goals that win you leagues and champions league consistently, of all the players listed only maybe Herrera is in that bracket. Carrick, Blind, fellaini, bastian no chance, be lucky to get 10 between all of them

bangkok

bangkok wrote: »

Rooney back up front, excellent news

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Mkhitarayan


so many options for next season

Again Bangkok no

Cantona's Collars

Nice to see he called out Rooney,saying he won't be able to hide in midfield anymore.I'm sure he noticed Rooney constantly losing the ball then trying to make up for it by hitting a default long ball out wide to the right wing.
Rooney's days are numbered,he promised 20 goals last season then whined about being played up front,no more excuses this season.

TheDoc

Deleted User wrote: »

Again Bangkok no

Rooney unless he really sorts his **** out, will be spending a fair bit of time on the bench.

Said after the Iceland game Rooney could end up being our third choice striker, and very much has come to pass. I imagine Mourinho will start with Ibrahimovic, and MAY feel pressured into shoehorning Rooney in at 10 for the start.

Zlatan up front, Martial operating on the left with Rooney behind at 10, and Micky Ryan on the right. But I can't see it lasting unless he is really in form. That is a kinda slow attack.

All of this forgetting Memphis Depay, who by all accounts, is bursting his absolute hole off this summer. Actually its great to see most of the younger players are doing it. I somewhat "assumed" players always did that, but feels like Luke Shaw got real traction last summer for it.

If thats spread to the rest, then can be only be a good thing.

I think Rooney out of his comfort zone is going to be a good thing. Either he finally recaptures some genuine form (good for the team) or his role as an under performing guaranteed starter will diminish rapidly (also a good thing)

bangkok

i think Rooney will having a better season scoring wise than Ibrahimovic will have if he plays up front in a functioning team unlike last few years

Cypher_sounds

bangkok wrote: »

not goals that win you leagues and champions league consistently, of all the players listed only maybe Herrera is in that bracket. Carrick, Blind, fellaini, bastian no chance, be lucky to get 10 between all of them

Sure Pogba has never scored more than 10 goals a season. He has never score 10 goals in the serie A in one season.
Most ppl agree the the premier league is much tougher than Italian league so not sure what makes you think he will score more goals with United.

My point is I don't think its the end of the world if we don't sign him and instead sign an energetic type of cm like Matuidi.

bangkok

TheDoc wrote: »

Rooney unless he really sorts his **** out, will be spending a fair bit of time on the bench.

Said after the Iceland game Rooney could end up being our third choice striker, and very much has come to pass. I imagine Mourinho will start with Ibrahimovic, and MAY feel pressured into shoehorning Rooney in at 10 for the start.

Zlatan up front, Martial operating on the left with Rooney behind at 10, and Micky Ryan on the right. But I can't see it lasting unless he is really in form. That is a kinda slow attack.

All of this forgetting Memphis Depay, who by all accounts, is bursting his absolute hole off this summer. Actually its great to see most of the younger players are doing it. I somewhat "assumed" players always did that, but feels like Luke Shaw got real traction last summer for it.

If thats spread to the rest, then can be only be a good thing.

I think Rooney out of his comfort zone is going to be a good thing. Either he finally recaptures some genuine form (good for the team) or his role as an under performing guaranteed starter will diminish rapidly (also a good thing)

pity the chap didnt do when he was meant to last season

TheDoc

TheDoc wrote: »

Rooney unless he really sorts his **** out, will be spending a fair bit of time on the bench.

Said after the Iceland game Rooney could end up being our third choice striker, and very much has come to pass. I imagine Mourinho will start with Ibrahimovic, and MAY feel pressured into shoehorning Rooney in at 10 for the start.

Zlatan up front, Martial operating on the left with Rooney behind at 10, and Micky Ryan on the right. But I can't see it lasting unless he is really in form. That is a kinda slow attack.

All of this forgetting Memphis Depay, who by all accounts, is bursting his absolute hole off this summer. Actually its great to see most of the younger players are doing it. I somewhat "assumed" players always did that, but feels like Luke Shaw got real traction last summer for it.

If thats spread to the rest, then can be only be a good thing.

I think Rooney out of his comfort zone is going to be a good thing. Either he finally recaptures some genuine form (good for the team) or his role as an under performing guaranteed starter will diminish rapidly (also a good thing)

You took the thoughts right of my head although wrote them down much better than I could have. There was no way I could envisage Jose shoe horning players into positions.

And as you said unless Rooney comes back fully fit and match sharp he wont be starting any games under Jose, the man just wants to win..

Leroy42

bangkok wrote: »

Rooney back up front, excellent news

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Mkhitarayan


so many options for next season

You spelt Fellaini wrong!

bangkok

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

Sure Pogba has never scored more than 10 goals a season. He has never score 10 goals in the serie A in one season.
Most ppl agree the the premier league is much tougher than Italian league so not sure what makes you think he will score more goals with United.

My point is I don't think its the end of the world if we don't sign him and instead sign an energetic type of cm like Matuidi.

he consistently scores around 10 a season though and is only 23 and getting better.

last 3 seasons, 10 goals, 10 goals, 9 goals

Cantona's Collars

bangkok wrote: »

i think Rooney will having a better season scoring wise than Ibrahimovic will have if he plays up front in a functioning team unlike last few years

He bitched and moaned about playing up front last season.He won't be allowed do that under Jose.Do the job or somebody else will,Jose won't have passengers in the team.

TheDoc

TheDoc wrote: »

Rooney unless he really sorts his **** out, will be spending a fair bit of time on the bench.

Said after the Iceland game Rooney could end up being our third choice striker, and very much has come to pass. I imagine Mourinho will start with Ibrahimovic, and MAY feel pressured into shoehorning Rooney in at 10 for the start.

Zlatan up front, Martial operating on the left with Rooney behind at 10, and Micky Ryan on the right. But I can't see it lasting unless he is really in form. That is a kinda slow attack.

All of this forgetting Memphis Depay, who by all accounts, is bursting his absolute hole off this summer. Actually its great to see most of the younger players are doing it. I somewhat "assumed" players always did that, but feels like Luke Shaw got real traction last summer for it.

If thats spread to the rest, then can be only be a good thing.

I think Rooney out of his comfort zone is going to be a good thing. Either he finally recaptures some genuine form (good for the team) or his role as an under performing guaranteed starter will diminish rapidly (also a good thing)

This,

I expect a reaction from Rooney.
For the first time his position in the team is really under threat. It might give him the kick in arse he needs.
Let's hope so.

The_Kew_Tour

Just everything I feared has passed now.

Great introduction

Cantona's Collars

For anyone who didn't see the presser,here's a transcript:

http://www.squawka.com/news/jose-mourinhos-first-press-conference-at-manchester-united-in-full/716535

Cantona's Collars

https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/750294697520861184

Cypher_sounds

bangkok wrote: »

he consistently scores around 10 a season though and is only 23 and getting better.

last 3 seasons, 10 goals, 10 goals, 9 goals

I still don't think he's worth the kind of money being touted.

Then again, I know you won't agree but Fellaini wasn't worth 27.5 million either.

Polo_Mint

Im confident we are on our way back top now

We have the Alex and Jose dream team Captaining the ship

Alex Ferguson
Alex Ferguson
Kenny Dalglish
Alex Ferguson
Alex Ferguson
Arsène Wenger
Alex Ferguson
Alex Ferguson
Alex Ferguson
Arsène Wenger
Alex Ferguson
Arsène Wenger
José Mourinho
José Mourinho
Alex Ferguson
Alex Ferguson
Alex Ferguson
Carlo Ancelotti
Alex Ferguson
Roberto Mancini
Alex Ferguson
Manuel Pellegrini
José Mourinho
Claudio Ranieri

Polo_Mint

zerks wrote: »

For anyone who didn't see the presser,here's a transcript:

http://www.squawka.com/news/jose-mourinhos-first-press-conference-at-manchester-united-in-full/716535

Heres the Vid

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=100256874&postcount=911

Headshot

I love the presser.

Jose was brilliant.

SantryRed

I genuinely think Mourinho looked at a couple of LVG press conferences from last year, and just decided to say the exact opposite to everything :pac:

FutureGuy

Pogba is almost certainly the fourth. Jose ssing Ed and the owners are working hard means it's a massive player and CM is probably where we need that big name.

Great press conference, exactly what I expected from him.

RobertKK

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Darmian--Smalling--Bailly--Shaw

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Pogba---Schneiderlin
Mkhitaryan--Rooney--Martial

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Possible team???

TheDoc

RobertKK wrote: »

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Darmian--Smalling--Bailly--Shaw

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Pogba---Schneiderlin
Mkhitaryan--Rooney--Martial

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Ibrahimovic----


Possible team???

This is the problem I have with Pogba. And I guess its kinda up in the air until we see pre-season, but we can only assume Mourinho will play a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1. And 4-2-3-1 feels more like his latest comfort. (I used to love his chelsea MK1 4-3-3-)

I don't think that is what Pogba does well. He has underwhelmed me in this Euros when France have gone 4-2-3-1, and he is sitting deep. He looks much better in a 4-3-3. What do Juventus use? I've seen him sometimes for them and he is marauding up and down. Maybe he can do that in a 4-2-3-1, with Schneiderlan covering as a sole DM.

Assuming we land Pogba(lolz) I can see a start of season like this



Then developing over the course of the season to this



Or if the 4-2-3-1 is kept, then Rooney dropping out for Micky, with Memphis coming in. Can't believe Memphis won't feature so much more this season. Looks hungry and determined to put things right. Might even suit with all these big singings coming in taking the focus.

Lord TSC

In utter heaven watching the press conference. Hearing him use the word "we" to refer to United, talking about Rooney not being a midfielder, dismissing philosophy and saying we are a champions league club.....just so happy.

KerrAvon

It'll be interesting to see if there's any media response to him dismissing Rooney as a midfielder.

Strumms

It was just refreshing and exciting listening to Jose. Guy is just driven to succeed, understands the demands of the club for success and there will be no excuses. The complete anthesises to LVG and him lowering expectation, the negativity and the blaming of others. Clear dig from Jose also about hiding behind the philosophy too and obviously the thinly veiled Wenger jibe. Gonna be a hell of a ride folks... Can't wait.

Pickpocket

So Mourinho lands a few digs on LVG at his very first press conference at OT. A former colleague, and by his own admission a mentor, and someone that was only ever civil toward him over the past two seasons.

What a vile and loathsome little bastard. I cannot believe he's managing Manchester United, and the amount of people on here that are lapping it up is turning my stomach.

Let's hope he's an absolutely sensational manager for us, because a champagne shower is the only thing that will wash the grime off us in three seasons when he's walking away from another controversy.

From Alex Ferguson to Jose Mourinho. Wow.

Cantona's Collars

Lord TSC wrote: »

In utter heaven watching the press conference. Hearing him use the word "we" to refer to United, talking about Rooney not being a midfielder, dismissing philosophy and saying we are a champions league club.....just so happy.

He had to get a dig in at Wenger,"some managers last won the title 10 years ago,I won it one year ago"

None of the bollix of Moyes or LVG - 4th is nothing to Jose,winning is everything.He's like Yoda, "do or do not,there is no try".:)

Liam McPoyle

Pickpocket wrote: »

So Mourinho lands a few digs on LVG at his very first press conference at OT. A former colleague, and by his own admission a mentor, and someone that was only ever civil toward him over the past two seasons.

What a vile and loathsome little bastard. I cannot believe he's managing Manchester United, and the amount of people on here that are lapping it up is turning my stomach.

Let's hope he's an absolutely sensational manager for us, because a champagne shower is the only thing that will wash the grime off us in three seasons when he's walking away from another controversy.

From Alex Ferguson to Jose Mourinho. Wow.

So there is no truth in what he said?

We have been languid and rudderless since Fergie left.

We should aim to play like City.

Fcuk off.

We should aim for 4th.

Fcuk off.

The fans expect too much.

Fcuk off.

We have a genuine candidate for GOAT in management at the helm.

He can teabag LVG and post pictures online of it for all I care.